Thread: Bored By FUP of Airtel ?

Hi

Are you bored by the AUP of the airtel then write a RTI application and send to seeking the full details of FAIR USE POLICY implemented by TRAI


Actually there is no FUP in fully unlimited plan. Here is lot of information in the TRAI website

TRAI::::::

Please do not write a big letter to RTI to TRAL just ask two question for letter you are going to spend only Rs 10 as court fee for it so do not many in single you can send as many RTI as you can so be slow and steady

Originally Posted by jegavelan

Hi

Are you bored by the AUP of the airtel then write a RTI application and send to seeking the full details of FAIR USE POLICY implemented by TRAI


Actually there is no FUP in fully unlimited plan. Here is lot of information in the TRAI website

TRAI::::::

Please do not write a big letter to RTI to TRAL just ask two question for letter you are going to spend only Rs 10 as court fee for it so do not many in single you can send as many RTI as you can so be slow and steady

Thanks for the information but we acn do nothing about it all it depends upon the airtel whatever the limits on the unlimited plans they have put that will be followed!

Originally Posted by Sanjeev_man

Thanks for the information but we acn do nothing about it all it depends upon the airtel whatever the limits on the unlimited plans they have put that will be followed!

Hi

They can have there own plans but it should have to follow the TRAI rules and Regulations, Have any one asked why the AIRTEL does not have the FUP for the 256 kbps plans alone if they have so it breach of the TRAI regulations of broadband as per it all the service provide of minimum of 256 kbps for broadband

Originally Posted by jegavelan

Hi

They can have there own plans but it should have to follow the TRAI rules and Regulations, Have any one asked why the AIRTEL does not have the FUP for the 256 kbps plans alone if they have so it breach of the TRAI regulations of broadband as per it all the service provide of minimum of 256 kbps for broadband

Not only private players even the government itself is shameless by adopting these Fair usage policy
All we can do is be quiet otherwise when of over 10000 only one is speaking and the others are mum then nothing could be done

Either you ask or not or you shout or not they don't have any affect

Originally Posted by Sanjeev_man

Not only private players even the government itself is shameless by adopting these Fair usage policy
All we can do is be quiet otherwise when of over 10000 only one is speaking and the others are mum then nothing could be done

Either you ask or not or you shout or not they don't have any affect

No Govt have the FUP in the totally unlimited If i have the Airtel broadband i would have sent it first but i am having the BSNL only

Can you or TRAI compel any ISP,to give free download without limit?
H24 or say night times ? at speed you want ?
Because the servers may not be busy, (as well as telephone eqpt) ISPs give additional
fac ility to users to download during these periods.
By Practice, they have found , some users, misuse the facility, and so give some restrictions on total download.
If ISP's withdraw this facility, nothing can be done to compel them.
proverb
"Don't look at the Gift horse in the mouth"

BTW I have 2 Mbps Unlimited download 0900PM to 0800 AM from Airtel ( old user )
No FUP for me , even if new FUP plans are
introduced in all circles for new users.
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Originally Posted by essbebe

Can you or TRAI compel any ISP,to give free download without limit?
H24 or say night times ? at speed you want ?
Because the servers may not be busy, (as well as telephone eqpt) ISPs give additional
fac ility to users to download during these periods.
By Practice, they have found , some users, misuse the facility, and so give some restrictions on total download.
If ISP's withdraw this facility, nothing can be done to compel them.
proverb
"Don't look at the Gift horse in the mouth"

BTW I have 2 Mbps Unlimited download 0900PM to 0800 AM from Airtel ( old user )
No FUP for me , even if new FUP plans are
introduced in all circles for new users.
'

Good info about the policies framed by airtel infact,i should say the statement

"Don't look at the Gift horse in the mouth"

Is really genuine and applicable!If they stop such facility then what anyone can do?

I am also against FUP but FUP has been introduced because over 95% of the user that are affected by FUP fall into the category of "pirates".

Airtel is notorious for having one plan for existing users and others for new users.

But let us leave aside that argument. Consider this plan: Airtel Freedom 1399. Under this plan, for Rs. 1399 (plus tax), one gets 1 Mbps till 25GB, and 512 Kbps beyond 25GB.

I can tell you that 25 GB is more than sufficient for all your surfing needs, any type of patches or virus file definition upgrades, occasional software downloads, more than generous YouTube downloads, text and video chats.

After exhausting 25 GB, you get 512 kbps for the rest of the month.

But if you are downloading 10 movies per day then obviously you will be consuming a huge bandwidth.

I am sorry. But I cannot support the argument that there should be no FUP because it will then allow me to download pirated stuff as much as I please.

Originally Posted by just4kix

I am also against FUP but FUP has been introduced because over 95% of the user that are affected by FUP fall into the category of "pirates".

Airtel is notorious for having one plan for existing users and others for new users.

But let us leave aside that argument. Consider this plan: Airtel Freedom 1399. Under this plan, for Rs. 1399 (plus tax), one gets 1 Mbps till 25GB, and 512 Kbps beyond 25GB.

I can tell you that 25 GB is more than sufficient for all your surfing needs, any type of patches or virus file definition upgrades, occasional software downloads, more than generous YouTube downloads, text and video chats.

After exhausting 25 GB, you get 512 kbps for the rest of the month.

But if you are downloading 10 movies per day then obviously you will be consuming a huge bandwidth.

I am sorry. But I cannot support the argument that there should be no FUP because it will then allow me to download pirated stuff as much as I please.

Hi

I understand warez stuffs are more than the original one. But You say

I can tell you that 25 GB is more than sufficient for all your surfing needs, any type of patches or virus file definition upgrades, occasional software downloads, more than generous YouTube downloads, text and
video chats.

Why a 256 kbps is not enough for all those which you have stated above ? it more than enough

If you say its not enough also a 512 kbps is more than enough for all the those activity correct ?

Then why ISP are providing the other plans which as more than 8Mbps also for the home users ?

There is no need to provide such a plan itself.

Even myself you and other download the songs form many sites Do you thing all the downloaded songs are legal ?

How many people using the legal version of the software in there system ?
Answer less than 1 % correct ?


Do you think that is ISP is not aware of all those ? They know they just do it for only money sake it is truth then why should we not ?

Even the Govt Of India or ISP is not ready to block the file sharing sites (100 % Warez software and illegal movies is present ) why should we alone sacrifice ?

You have completely missed the point. ISPs do not care about piracy - although they will if someone takes action against them - in US they are doing this now.

What ISPs are miffed about is everybody is using high speed plans to download heavily and hog all the bandwidth. Earlier the menace was much small but nowadays everyone is downloading stuff left right and center. So they say that "within FUP we are giving you enough limit so that your legitimate requirements are met completely. We are not charging extra for overusage but only limiting speeds so that we are able to provide equal QoS to others who are not heavy users."

Originally Posted by just4kix

ISPs do not care about piracy - although they will if someone takes action against them - in US they are doing this now.
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i missed all this thread.. but about piracy this explains everything... download an mp3 in 10 seconds.. great job airtel..

Originally Posted by just4kix

What ISPs are miffed about is everybody is using high speed plans to download heavily and hog all the bandwidth. Earlier the menace was much small but nowadays everyone is downloading stuff left right and center. So they say that "within FUP we are giving you enough limit so that your legitimate requirements are met completely. We are not charging extra for overusage but only limiting speeds so that we are able to provide equal QoS to others who are not heavy users."

Hmmm fine If there one law and regulation it should be straight forward it should not be bent and adjusted as per the needs of the person and situation

If ISP`s is really concerned about bandwidth used by there users in form of downloading the Warez they should block all the file sharing sites and other illegal torrent which shares warez . If they do so as you said a plan of unlimited 256kbps or even less is more than enough isn`t ?

But in the name of Internet Freedom and Privacy they are not blocking those sites. But the real intention is to make money if all the files sharing sites are blocked then there is no need of any plan more than 256 kbps it is the truth

They cannot make money from there service correct ?

Only one plan

No user will need more than that but the ISP`s will cornered in the business

to be in simple statement regarding download the warez

ISP`s bend the law in the form of FUP so that we will select some more higher plan they earn more money Then we download the warez and bend the law for the enjoyment

I think there is no much difference between ISP`s & US

Both adjust the law and regulation as per need and situation

Originally Posted by mickey

i missed all this thread.. but about piracy this explains everything... download an mp3 in 10 seconds.. great job airtel..

Hi

I appreciate airtel for the speed but they implement the FUP and just make the money only but nor really concerned about the bandwidth wasted by the users

Solution is simple:

a) Stick to genuine software
b) Do genuine surfing
c) Do not download warez

You will never exhaust your FUP.

If you wish more bandwidth, for "whatever purposes", then expect to pay for it.

Originally Posted by just4kix

Solution is simple:

a) Stick to genuine software
b) Do genuine surfing
c) Do not download warez

Can i have a question to you

Approximately what bandwidth needed for all those A, B, C for a month ?

Originally Posted by jegavelan

Can i have a question to you

Approximately what bandwidth needed for all those A, B, C for a month ?

I manage with 2.5 GB. Check my April usage snapshot. No NU usage too.

If 2.5 GB is enough for me, surely 25 GB is more than sufficient.

April Usage.png

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Originally Posted by just4kix

I manage with 2.5 GB. Check my April usage snapshot. No NU usage too.

If 2.5 GB is enough for me, surely 25 GB is more than sufficient.

April Usage.png

Hi

Do not mistake me just asking you Then why you cannot take the plan that as just 256 kbps alone ? why you took the plan which is more than that

Originally Posted by just4kix

But let us leave aside that argument. Consider this plan: Airtel Freedom 1399. Under this plan, for Rs. 1399 (plus tax), one gets 1 Mbps till 25GB, and 512 Kbps beyond 25GB.

I can tell you that 25 GB is more than sufficient for all your surfing needs, any type of patches or virus file definition upgrades, occasional software downloads, more than generous YouTube downloads, text and video chats.

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Because in the 256 kbps plan you can download approximately 2.5 GB per day i am saying Max possible option

Why you have went for the 1 mbps plan then ? you can save almost half of the money correct ?

Please don take anything serious

Originally Posted by just4kix

I manage with 2.5 GB. Check my April usage snapshot. No NU usage too.

If 2.5 GB is enough for me, surely 25 GB is more than sufficient.

April Usage.png

Hi

I think you too using the BSNL ?

No. I am not irritated by the questions.

Yes. I am using BSNL. I was on the 256 kbps plan earlier. I went for the 2 mbps plan because I wanted faster speed. I fiigured that I can manage within 2.5 GB. There have been a couple or more months when my usage exceeded slightly. I use landline a lot and BSNL is the best for landline. The 250 free calls also help.

I could go for the 512 kbps unlimited plan but find that Rs. 1350 + tax is too much to pay. I am waiting for some good plans. "BB Home Combo ULF 900" and "BB Home Combo ULF 1000" (both with FUP) are interesting but not attractive enough.

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Don't get me wrong here. I too would love a low cost (sub Rs. 1000) high-speed (2+ mbps), unlimited usage, no FUP plan. Who wouldn't?

Hi


No Airtel users replied so far replied

essbebe is an Airtel user.

Originally Posted by jegavelan

Hmmm fine If there one law and regulation it should be straight forward it should not be bent and adjusted as per the needs of the person and situation

If ISP`s is really concerned about bandwidth used by there users in form of downloading the Warez they should block all the file sharing sites and other illegal torrent which shares warez . If they do so as you said a plan of unlimited 256kbps or even less is more than enough isn`t ?

But in the name of Internet Freedom and Privacy they are not blocking those sites. But the real intention is to make money if all the files sharing sites are blocked then there is no need of any plan more than 256 kbps it is the truth

They cannot make money from there service correct ?

Only one plan

No user will need more than that but the ISP`s will cornered in the business to be in simple statement regarding download the warez

Not at all. 256 kbps is a slow plan - it will be lower priced. Casual surfers, email checkers, text chatters, etc. would be happy with this plan. Those who want "good enough BB" and not pay too much.

Those who faster speeds will pay higher.

Your comment about ISPs blocking web sites is also irrelevent. Why should ISPs block websites? And how many can they block? What about private torrents? It is not their job to prevent warez. Their job is to make money for their shareholders. They are not for charity. To them providing service costs money. But as a consumer, our rights should not be taken for granted.

Basically everyone is frustrated because suddenly the "tasty chocolate" is replaced by a "plain lollypop".

You can try petitions and all that but I am afraid that this is one argument that you won't win.

Originally Posted by just4kix

essbebe is an Airtel user.



Not at all. 256 kbps is a slow plan - it will be lower priced. Casual surfers, email checkers, text chatters, etc. would be happy with this plan. Those who want "good enough BB" and not pay too much.

Those who faster speeds will pay higher.

Your comment about ISPs blocking web sites is also irrelevent. Why should ISPs block websites? And how many can they block? What about private torrents? It is not their job to prevent warez. Their job is to make money for their shareholders. They are not for charity. To them providing service costs money. But as a consumer, our rights should not be taken for granted.

Basically everyone is frustrated because suddenly the "tasty chocolate" is replaced by a "plain lollypop".

You can try petitions and all that but I am afraid that this is one argument that you won't win.

Even i am not airtel user first, but there is no provision in the law to implement the FUP in any ISP so why BSNL not implemented it so far as it will create more legal problem with TRAI

BSNL has implemented FUP in some plans.

Originally Posted by just4kix

BSNL has implemented FUP in some plans.

But the BSNL never call the plan as Unlimited

Hi

This is the real reason which lead to private ISP to implement the Fair Usage Policy

http://www.trai.gov.in/WriteReadData/trai/upload/misc/102/Guidelines2mar09.pdf

This regulation of the TRAI pushed the ISP to implement the Fair Usage Policy to there customers

Thread itself getting boring now !!
BSNL has listed 8 tariff plans as unlimited.
.:Unlimited Home Only:.

Hi

Yes properly anyway let us see any one writes to TRAI