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    There is always a craze of the Apple branded products and of recent as everyone knows it was the new 3g iPhone, it does look good and also has good features, but is it worth buying?

    Regardless of the price, I want to know is the iphone worth getting or not?

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    It all depends upon your need and wish, iphone is a good device which gives you total mobile office features. You can use it as your phone, music player, cam and mini office too.

    If you like mini applications and mobile internet applications then its a good deal otherwise i don't think it is required for anything. Like for me phone means phone only, i got 2 connection for my personal connection i am using Nokia 3230 and for work phone i am using Nokia 1100 and both are working good.

    Now it's your own wish and need
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    Is it good and reliable enough, as I have heard that some products from apple such as their ipod nano has some problems, is there any such thing with their iphone?

    Dont you find it annoying carrying two phones with you, one is enough as it is!!!

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    I am not aware about any known problem with iphone, you may need to wait for others to post on this topic.
    No my one phone stay inside my bag and other in my pocket, never found it annoying to carry two phone

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    here is the list of drawbacks of iPhone if you are ok with this list then you can buy it....

    1) CANNOT record video clips

    2) Doesnot support flash in web browser

    3) you cannot view any and all videos from youtube

    4) Does not support INSTANT MESSAGING

    5) DOES NOT SUPPORT STEREO MUSIC STREAMING THROUGH BLUETOOTH HEADSETS,

    6) You CANNOT LOAD YOUR OWN 3RD PARTY PROGRAMS

    7) DOES NOT HAVE ANY GAMES. Games from the iTunes store are not compatible.

    8) you CANNOT CUSTOMIZE YOUR RINGTONES WITH MP3 SONGS

    9) CANNOT USE VOICE COMMANDS OR VOICE RECOGNITION OR VOICE DIALING.

    10) The keyboard supposedly isnít a real bother after you get used to it, but TYPING PERIODS AND COMMAS ARE A PAIN IN THE NECK, requiring you to go to a 2nd screen each time. Given that you use a period or comma in almost every sentence you type, this is NOT CONVENIENT.

    11) you CANNOT SEND PICS TO OTHER CELL PHONES VIA MMS PICTURE MESSAGING.

    12) You CANNOT FREELY USE THE iPHONE ON OTHER CONTINENTS WITH SIM CARDS (depends on network)

    13) You CANNOT DOWNLOAD OR ACCESS ITUNES DIRECTLY from the iPhone, you always have to do it through you PC or Macís iTunes program and then sync files.

    14) You CANNOT USE IT AS A MODEM

    15) The iPhone CANNOT GET REAL-TIME GPS MAPPING

    16) You CANNOT GO ON VACATION OR ROAD TRIP WITHOUT YOUR CHARGER because it doesnít have a removeable battery, so you cannot use multiple batteries as back-up or spare

    17) No memory card

    18) It does not support 3G

    19) you may have to buy another accessory to connect the iPhone to speakers, car radio, etc.

    20) not all earplugs/headsets will fit into the jack since itís reported to be a extra deep connection. Be ready to add $40 to your purchase price!

    21) You CANNOT WALK OUT OF THE STORE WITH A WORKING iPHONE - youíll have to go home and activate it through iTunes.com(depends)

    22) Since the iPhone DOES NOT HAVE A REMOVEABLE BATTERY, and the expected life is 300-400 charges, youíll HAVE TO SHIP IT TO APPLE TO REPLACE THE BATTERY EVERY YEAR OR TWO just like iPods.

    23)You CANNOT COPY/PASTE ANYTHING!

    24) It does not have a simple FM radio.


    so if you are ok with these things then no problem you can buy.....

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    If so many drawbacks are there than its worthless buying.

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    The details provided was of iPhone V1.0 now as iPhone 3G V2.0 has been released ill soon post both advantages & dis-advantages..

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    Quote Originally Posted by samstown99 View Post
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    Mr. Samstown99 Please see post #87 in the following thread.

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    There was offer from Kroma last week, an officially un-locked iPhone 8Gb @ Rs 29,000-00..
    Has anyone seen the offer.

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    its costly.. but i am having one.. and happy for it.. great phone..
    Am just the dreamer,,,, I dream my life away..:confused::confused:

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    Mr. Tooth Fairy did you find any drawbacks and which one have you got?

    "kirankumargb - here is the list of drawbacks of iPhone if you are ok with this list then you can buy it....

    1) CANNOT record video clips - dont need to to record videos

    2) Doesnot support flash in web browser - i don't necessary always visit flash websites, just the basic and essential

    3) you cannot view any and all videos from youtube - dont visit youtuube

    4) Does not support INSTANT MESSAGING - but i suppose you can use applications such as fring (where you can use gtalk, yahoo and other messengers)

    5) DOES NOT SUPPORT STEREO MUSIC STREAMING THROUGH BLUETOOTH HEADSETS - wouldnt need this

    6) You CANNOT LOAD YOUR OWN 3RD PARTY PROGRAMS - does that mean i wont be able to download fring then (or anything which will allow me to use messenger services)

    7) DOES NOT HAVE ANY GAMES. Games from the iTunes store are not compatible. - dont need this

    8) you CANNOT CUSTOMIZE YOUR RINGTONES WITH MP3 SONGS - dont like using mp3 songs for ringtones

    9) CANNOT USE VOICE COMMANDS OR VOICE RECOGNITION OR VOICE DIALING - dont ever use this feature

    10) The keyboard supposedly isnít a real bother after you get used to it, but TYPING PERIODS AND COMMAS ARE A PAIN IN THE NECK, requiring you to go to a 2nd screen each time. Given that you use a period or comma in almost every sentence you type, this is NOT CONVENIENT. - doesnt seem like much of a problem

    11) you CANNOT SEND PICS TO OTHER CELL PHONES VIA MMS PICTURE MESSAGING - again not a feature which i use or will need

    12) You CANNOT FREELY USE THE iPHONE ON OTHER CONTINENTS WITH SIM CARDS (depends on network) - hmmmmmmm

    13) You CANNOT DOWNLOAD OR ACCESS ITUNES DIRECTLY from the iPhone, you always have to do it through you PC or Macís iTunes program and then sync files - dont think its something i need

    14) You CANNOT USE IT AS A MODEM - would not need to anyway

    15) The iPhone CANNOT GET REAL-TIME GPS MAPPING - not too fussed about this

    16) You CANNOT GO ON VACATION OR ROAD TRIP WITHOUT YOUR CHARGER because it doesnít have a removeable battery, so you cannot use multiple batteries as back-up or spare - i take my phone charger with me all the time when i travel anyway

    17) No memory card - not an issue

    18) It does not support 3G - thats only if its not the new iphone 3g

    19) you may have to buy another accessory to connect the iPhone to speakers, car radio, etc - dont need for it to be connected

    20) not all earplugs/headsets will fit into the jack since itís reported to be a extra deep connection. Be ready to add $40 to your purchase price! - im sure earplugs do last quite a while

    21) You CANNOT WALK OUT OF THE STORE WITH A WORKING iPHONE - youíll have to go home and activate it through iTunes.com(depends) - need to check this out

    22) Since the iPhone DOES NOT HAVE A REMOVEABLE BATTERY, and the expected life is 300-400 charges, youíll HAVE TO SHIP IT TO APPLE TO REPLACE THE BATTERY EVERY YEAR OR TWO just like iPods - you are joking me, surely the battery will last at least 2 years, a year is just too short, and by the time of two years the phone will be old.

    23)You CANNOT COPY/PASTE ANYTHING! - not required

    24) It does not have a simple FM radio - i like listening to the radio (maybe a problem)


    so if you are ok with these things then no problem you can buy....."

    so most things you metioned i am not brothered with as i don't require those features, its just the small things really like fm radio or messenger or downloaded 3rd party softwares!

    But this maybe different in case of iphone 3g, as its advanced and will have better features (from the sounds of it you were referring to the normal iphone)

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    If you're not gonna use many of these features, then i think nokia 5310 xpressmusic would be the best for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kirankumargb View Post
    here is the list of drawbacks of iPhone if you are ok with this list then you can buy it....

    1) CANNOT record video clips - i can, install app for it.

    2) Doesnot support flash in web browser - anyways flashy images annoys me..:16:

    3) you cannot view any and all videos from youtube - what u mean all? i think u can view all. it has seperate yourube application.

    4) Does not support INSTANT MESSAGING. - got installed gtalk..

    5) DOES NOT SUPPORT STEREO MUSIC STREAMING THROUGH BLUETOOTH HEADSETS, - if bluetooth head sets will be compatible, i think it will not be able to deliver the best sound quality as through earphones and headphones. Music is the best feature i must say.

    6) You CANNOT LOAD YOUR OWN 3RD PARTY PROGRAMS- i did tht. who said we cannot load 3rd party programs. Jailbreak your phone.

    7) DOES NOT HAVE ANY GAMES. Games from the iTunes store are not compatible. - still not used. but i have seen many ppl using it. I willl try out and let u know. But thts for sure tht u can play lots of games. And its accelrometer enabled games are just mindblowing.

    8) you CANNOT CUSTOMIZE YOUR RINGTONES WITH MP3 SONGS- during an incoming call anyways u dont listen whole mp3 songs. for short mp3 clips u can install. its working for me. normally,,

    9) CANNOT USE VOICE COMMANDS OR VOICE RECOGNITION OR VOICE DIALING. - practically i never use it in any phone.

    10) The keyboard supposedly isnít a real bother after you get used to it, but TYPING PERIODS AND COMMAS ARE A PAIN IN THE NECK, requiring you to go to a 2nd screen each time. Given that you use a period or comma in almost every sentence you type, this is NOT CONVENIENT. - practice makes man perfect.

    11) you CANNOT SEND PICS TO OTHER CELL PHONES VIA MMS PICTURE MESSAGING. - mms is not free.

    12) You CANNOT FREELY USE THE iPHONE ON OTHER CONTINENTS WITH SIM CARDS (depends on network) - forget abt other continents. in India its working. :lol:

    13) You CANNOT DOWNLOAD OR ACCESS ITUNES DIRECTLY from the iPhone, you always have to do it through you PC or Macís iTunes program and then sync files. - never tried as its not free.

    14) You CANNOT USE IT AS A MODEM - laptop is there for me.

    15) The iPhone CANNOT GET REAL-TIME GPS MAPPING . - not sure. but i think we can.

    16) You CANNOT GO ON VACATION OR ROAD TRIP WITHOUT YOUR CHARGER because it doesnít have a removeable battery, so you cannot use multiple batteries as back-up or spare. - well almost all phones company does not give extra battery. all the people do not carrry one extra battery for nokia or moto or any brand phones. why to think so much for this phone? carry a charger lol simple :lol:

    17) No memory card - get 16gb if less.

    18) It does not support 3G - mine is 3g.

    19) you may have to buy another accessory to connect the iPhone to speakers, car radio, etc.- in all other phones also u have to buy additional accesories...

    20) not all earplugs/headsets will fit into the jack since itís reported to be a extra deep connection. Be ready to add $40 to your purchase price! - 3.5 mm jack fits in it.

    21) You CANNOT WALK OUT OF THE STORE WITH A WORKING iPHONE - youíll have to go home and activate it through iTunes.com(depends) - thts not a problem.

    22) Since the iPhone DOES NOT HAVE A REMOVEABLE BATTERY, and the expected life is 300-400 charges, youíll HAVE TO SHIP IT TO APPLE TO REPLACE THE BATTERY EVERY YEAR OR TWO just like iPods. - not sure. lets see.. will update this post when i will have problem related to battery.

    23)You CANNOT COPY/PASTE ANYTHING! - install 3rd party software.

    24) It does not have a simple FM radio. - additional accesory needed,


    so if you are ok with these things then no problem you can buy.....
    any more questions??
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    Its exceptionally brilliant phone.

    has less features compared to nokia in the Sms department and others i did not read the whole replies above ...but i have N85 and i ihave iphone 3g

    If you have used iphone for a week you will never go back to Nokia or anyother phone.

    Its so useful i cannot even start to pen it down here..

    Yes it has major flaws regarding camera and sms fdw mms but still its freaking brilliant ..i dont use N85.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Tooth Fairy View Post
    any more questions??
    thats good Mr.tooth fairy,
    as i told you it is the first release details ill update the 2nd version advantages & dis-advantages... as soon as i am updated with it...! LOL

    yes you have provided ans to all but wht annoys me is why should we have to go for 3rd party apps while choosing a new phone .... its like buying a cycle and then adding engine, headlight, mirrors to it, to make it a bike....

    the phone features what they have provided is good no doubt about it, but most of the features what we use daily are not included for that we have to go for 3rd party....

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    you can jailbreak the phone and add features which even nokia cant think of from new CYDIA APP STORE

    which went live yesterday or day before and its going to be a freaking headache to App store.

    I think it might be as big as Apple app store.

    Think of an app and its in Cydia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vastok View Post


    Yes it has major flaws regarding camera and sms fdw mms but still its freaking brilliant ..i dont use N85.

    if u r talking abt clarity than yes, poor clarity as vga cam but still i will say its completely a phone for music.. so cant consider as flaw.
    video u can record as u i said installing applications.
    sms forwarding and all normal functions u can use, again by installing application. MMS i never use it.

    Quote Originally Posted by kirankumargb View Post
    yes you have provided ans to all but wht annoys me is why should we have to go for 3rd party apps while choosing a new phone .... its like buying a cycle and then adding engine, headlight, mirrors to it, to make it a bike....

    the phone features what they have provided is good no doubt about it, but most of the features what we use daily are not included for that we have to go for 3rd party....
    well i think all ppl mostly prefer nokia and tht also symbian software supported phones.. because its completely customisable and compatible.what u have to say for tht? and yeah.. normal apps for daily life few not included. i agree.. but if anyone wants it its just one time installment. nothing to worry. not a big thing.


    over all i would say.. this phone has amazing touch screen, slim, great grafics engine and ram so pretty fast in handling 8 or 16 gb data, accelerometer, matchless music quality.

    somethings u have to let go.. say installing 3rd party softwares, radio and few more.

    Quote Originally Posted by vastok View Post
    you can jailbreak the phone and add features which even nokia cant think of from new CYDIA APP STORE

    which went live yesterday or day before and its going to be a freaking headache to App store.

    I think it might be as big as Apple app store.

    Think of an app and its in Cydia.

    yes mate.. u said it..:16:
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    People think that apple iphone is worth to buy, but i think that apple is just good for music quality. If you want to buy apple products then buy the ipods.

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    plus it keeps the doctor away ;-)

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    For cost conscious people, its not at all worth buying...Its not really worth given the features it has....Most people buy just for showing off ( I myself have seen it)...
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    Quote Originally Posted by farce View Post
    plus it keeps the doctor away ;-)

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    Farce you are really funny....

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    Quote Originally Posted by farce View Post
    plus it keeps the doctor away ;-)

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    he he he, i think thats why its keeping me away ...!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kirankumargb View Post
    he he he, i think thats why its keeping me away ...!
    You are a doctor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robdale View Post
    Farce you are really funny....
    Thanks ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by farce View Post
    You are a doctor?
    Yep i am...

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    But i got one

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rameshjeee View Post
    For cost conscious people, its not at all worth buying...Its not really worth given the features it has....Most people buy just for showing off ( I myself have seen it)...
    Oh thats just pure stupidity, why buy something which costs a lot just for showing off! I know what you mean Ramesh, and those people are idiots nothing else!

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    I will never use an iphone until it supports multitasking :P

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    The last iPhone I saw, did not have the function to forward an SMS (a facilty required by 99% of Indian mobile users).

    As per sales figures reported by both Airtel and Vodaphone (sorry can not divulge the source), the iPhone had been a resounding failure in the Indian market.

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    yes thats correct, iPhone is a failure in Indian market.

    Reason : Most of the Indian people are middle classed and cant afford to have it, some people even who can afford it will think of its features, some more people who are willing to buy it will compare it with other costly phones and find them having more features at a lesser price... and now the left one's who find it very difficult or dont know how to spend money will buy it...!
    (No offense intended for those people who bought it)

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    I was lost on the streets of New Delhi and my first generation iPhone (the one that doesn’t even have GPS) brought me home without my having to go around asking people which way to go. There is no other phone in the world that could have done that.

    As for the suggestion that people who buy iPhones are stupid and don’t know what to do with their money, well, as someone who spent only Rs. 27,000 on his unlocked 16GB iPhone and has since earned more than Rs. 50,000 off it, I think I wouldn’t be able to retain my polite tone if I were to counter that sentiment, so I’ll just shut up now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aryayush View Post
    i was lost on the streets of new delhi and my first generation iphone (the one that doesn’t even have gps) brought me home without my having to go around asking people which way to go. There is no other phone in the world that could have done that.

    As for the suggestion that people who buy iphones are stupid and don’t know what to do with their money, well, as someone who spent only rs. 27,000 on his unlocked 16gb iphone and has since earned more than rs. 50,000 off it, i think i wouldn’t be able to retain my polite tone if i were to counter that sentiment, so i’ll just shut up now.
    ok.

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    The maps application (gps) on the phone is one of the many advantages, along many other such as the wide range of other applications which you can download whether its something religious, games or something else, its pretty impressive!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robdale View Post
    People think that apple iphone is worth to buy, but i think that apple is just good for music quality. If you want to buy apple products then buy the ipods.
    i dont think so.........

    i think APPLE is best for MAC only not for iPOD and not for iPhone also....
    SONY network players are better than iPODs....

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    iPhone goona update their Mobile Softwares

    With
    1. Bluetooth With File Transfer profile.
    2. Copy and paste SMS.
    3. Video Recording.

    But Dunno when. Read long before in hindu news paper

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    Quote Originally Posted by harishsyndrome View Post
    iPhone goona update their Mobile Softwares

    With
    1. Bluetooth With File Transfer profile.
    2. Copy and paste SMS.
    3. Video Recording.

    But Dunno when. Read long before in hindu news paper
    Moreover sms forwarding and saving files while browsing is still an issue with iPhone....

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    I have ended up selling my iphone, i didn't like it at all. Well it was ok, bu there was no good advantages, bluetooth was ok but the the downside was that you cant transfer files using connectivity with other phones! I didn't like the sms system either!

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    how much old it was? 2g or 3g? how much u got money back by selling?

    and bluetooth app u have to install than it works just like other phones.. no problem with it.

    Quote Originally Posted by amitkool21 View Post
    i dont think so.........

    i think APPLE is best for MAC only not for iPOD and not for iPhone also....
    SONY network players are better than iPODs....

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    sony network players ?? wat r these? havent heard of it.. can u pl tell me.. n how much it cost?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Preeti_20 View Post
    I have ended up selling my iphone, i didn't like it at all. Well it was ok, bu there was no good advantages, bluetooth was ok but the the downside was that you cant transfer files using connectivity with other phones! I didn't like the sms system either!
    Even I did the same thing...
    Now i have bought Nokia 5800...
    I am happy with it....
    Try it !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ranjitraut View Post
    Even I did the same thing...
    Now i have bought Nokia 5800...
    I am happy with it....
    Try it !!
    hmmm 5800 is a very nice phone but i took HTC Touch Diamond over it......and got one in last 3 weeks .......


    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Tooth Fairy View Post
    how much old it was? 2g or 2g?


    sony network players ?? wat r these? havent heard of it.. can u pl tell me.. n how much it cost?
    plz edit the 2nd 2G with 3G

    and below are some pics of Network Series players of SONY.........my is 1st one NWS203F(Model name)




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    nice gadgets cool looks.. but how much they cost n memory?


    y ppl not teling how much they sold off their iphones??


    P S editing done
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Tooth Fairy View Post
    nice gadgets cool looks..
    thanx

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Tooth Fairy View Post
    but how much they cost n memory?
    my one is for 79USD when i got this but at the same time online price was 100USD but my brother got this by a good deal.........

    internal memory is 1GIG but 2GIG is also available in few more $$$ but not that much......

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Tooth Fairy View Post
    y ppl not teling how much they sold off their iphones??
    sharm ke maare

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Tooth Fairy View Post
    P S editing done
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    ***edited***

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    Iphone is totally worth buying !!

    GET IT !

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    before you answer this question, i think you need to make sure: you love iPhone and think it's cool!

    Of course it looks cool!

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    an iphone is a handy device for music but considering its price I would recommend not to go for it.

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    You have a very wise head on your shoulders. :clap:
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    guys just post a positive point of iPhone and i'll tell you them more in HTC phones......dont ask for storage size coz 8-16-32 GB are too much and also for Brand name(APPLE) coz u cant use that brand to call someone or to play games.........and one more that it have dual touch sensitivity.........

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    personally the iphone has lost its cool factor for me since a lot of my
    friends and coworkers have the iphone.
    I am a gadget freak, but only when the gadget is not owned
    by every Tom, Dick and Hariharan.

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    i think Iphone has no job in India...
    job takes the child away.

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    I believe you should get one from US and get it jailbreaked here... you can easily get it done at gaffar for anywhere btw 600-1000 bucks

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    You can record Video clips by using cy corder

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    IMO the iPhone is now obsolete, new players have entered the market offering you much better hardware than the iPhone, just to name a few to erase of the doubts of the reader like the Samsung Omnia HD, HTC Hero and the Google Nexus One and many many more to name....

    Except the HTC one one which is based on windows mobile the rest are Android based meaning there by everything is open source!

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    yes it is..................

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    iphoes do have lots of disadvantages .. bt people love it for some reason... maybe that is called marketing !!!

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