Thread: Ultimate VIRUS Solution.

AVG also provides an anti-rootkit software...free version.

Originally Posted by cool_techie_tvm

There are some problems known as rootkits. Rootkits remain invisible and do no show up in the common process list. Hence u will be unaware of its presence. Installing AV solutions from KAV is found to weed out rootkits. Besides drive by downloads are the most common form of infection these days. So its always wiser to run a AV software with real time protection.

thanks for the information. i didnt knew about rootkits... will update myself on that ... what i meant by perception is that - while surfing internet or downloading data etc ... we do get a feeling of anything malicious just looking at the site name or content of the site ....

The best option - Switch to linux (most apps work in linux too including windows apps )

@Jaganathsmal,
Please guide me how can i use FDM in linux.. i desperately need it.
Please post a screenshot of it running under linux.

Thanks.

Originally Posted by limpu.cool

@jaganathsmal,
please guide me how can i use fdm in linux.. I desperately need it.
Please post a screenshot of it running under linux.

Thanks.

+1

Ultimate Virus Solution: -

is to use a good AntiVirus software. It pays dividends to actually buy one, and keep it updated regularly.

keep most data off the C: drive. saves headaches in case you have to format the main C: drive.

get regular backups, of important data.

the solution given by the thread starter is excellent. thanks for showing us one more option to combat viruses.

I say hang the virus creating buzzturds by their gonads.

I'm not saying urs is crap just that its not enough. Antivirus is always needed if you are to be protected from viruses. WindowsXp is a open whore anthing can fu*k it from anywhere there is are just too many security flaws (which will never be fixed for a reason). Again this is great guide but for just a purpose.

Originally Posted by shady911

I'm not saying urs is crap just that its not enough. Antivirus is always needed if you are to be protected from viruses. WindowsXp is a open whore anthing can fu*k it from anywhere there is are just too many security flaws (which will never be fixed for a reason). Again this is great guide but for just a purpose.

First - I have not said that one should not install Antiviruses.
Second - Since antivirus cannot give me a 100% gurantee for all viruses, I dont like antiviruses and dont use it..., However my method will give me 100% gurantee against viruses if used properly.

Always nice to discuss new methods. Good initiative.

Originally Posted by nethack

First - I have not said that one should not install Antiviruses.
Second - Since antivirus cannot give me a 100% gurantee for all viruses, I dont like antiviruses and dont use it..., However my method will give me 100% gurantee against viruses if used properly.

ur method still doesn't gurantee anything. AntiVirus is required. also there are antivirus suites like eset. which i think u havent tried thats why u hav a wrong notion of av's.

my choice is acronis.it's simpler & have much more features than ghost.just make a primary partition,install XP,install AV(preferably a scanned file on some other computer),install acronis & make an image of the system partition(you may install some essential softwares too but i recommend doing nothing else in case other exe's on other drives are infected).don't even double click any other drive icon in case virus has created autorun files in drive root.save image in any location(preferably an external hard disc or some other drive).whenever in doubt about infection just use acronis boot cd to boot & use image to restore system to the moment when image was created(took less than 10 min for a clean install with an AV installed).

as for AV's like eset they are good but you can never be 100% sure as no AV is invincible for a good virus but then who would spent his precious time creating a brilliant virus which can defeat any AV in world to infect your PC unless your PC has information which can change the fate of the world.:001_tongue:

In my opinion, there is no such thing as "Ultimate Virus Solution". Every option we take in defeating virus has its risk in still being infected or some has its own disadvantage. Even installing an AV or even doing what nethack suggests in this thread. I will explain below how are we at risk in doing any option. Anyway, I have to admit I was impressed by nethack's suggestion. I prefer doing it than using an AV. It is much better in defeating virus rather than using AV.

Here I will explain the risks of everything.


OPTION 1: INSTALL/USE AV

Originally Posted by sb21pro

:lol: why dont u just install an anvivirus re ???

Originally Posted by nethack

First - I have not said that one should not install Antiviruses.
Second - Since antivirus cannot give me a 100% gurantee for all viruses, I dont like antiviruses and dont use it..., However my method will give me 100% gurantee against viruses if used properly.

I agree with nethack. Installing AV is not an ultimate solution. Why?

Originally Posted by whitestar_999

you can never be 100% sure as no AV is invincible for a good virus but then who would spent his precious time creating a brilliant virus which can defeat any AV in world to infect your PC

Yes. That's right! "There is definitely no AC is invincible against a BAD virus". Let me give you an example.

Let us compare 3 AVs: AVG, ESET, and Norton.

These 3 AVs has different databases that has virus definitions in order for them to remove/kill viruses. Databases are being updated everyday by the AV companies as new virus arises. For example in this very date, June 2, 2009, three new viruses has spread named as "Webfeet.exe", "goldbum.exe" and "octafing.exe". Let us say after 24-48 hours, Norton's database has updated and has the definitions of only two of these virus - webfeet and goldbum. ESET has also two - goldbum and octafing. And AVG has also two octafing and webfeet. There is no such AV that can update database 100% having the definitions of all and every new viruses that spread all over the world.

Thus, a PC with Norton can be infected by octafing.exe, ESET by webfeet.exe, and of course AVG by goldbum.exe.

I therefore conclude there is still a risk in using AV.

Another disadvantage of using AV is that regular scanning method. When an AV is scanning, it uses your computer's resources - especially the memory and CPU usage. Some people hates it especially those people who are using PCs with low specs. Scanning disturbs their jobs and makes their PC hang.

Another disadvantage is for those computer programmers, Video and Audio editors, and 2d/3d animators (I am one of them and suffers the same problem). They make some their works encrypted so that their files can be protected from hackers. Some of AV's database treats encrypted files as a virus since AVs cannot access these files and can't read it's source codes. Some AVs automatically deletes them (depends on users settings). Other programs or files of these computer "nerds" that are not encrypted and not even a virus and has the same source code in a database of an AV is also being maltreated and also being automatically deleted. tsktsk! That's is a big advantage.

That is why I definitely not using any AVs.

OPTION 2: DEEP FREEZE

Originally Posted by jrccc

Hello,
You try "DEEP FREEZE". It is easy!

Yes I have tried deep freeze. Deep Freeze, freezes a drive/partition so that any changes made will be reverted once you restart the computer. But did you also noticed that even if you are protected with deep freeze, somebody can still hack your computer and install virus in it using the internet? How? I will tell the process but not the details. First the hacker will get your IP-address. Then he will use his hacking stuff. The hacker will unfreeze your drive using his stuffs and then install virus in it. As easy as that. I also tried it. :001_tongue:

Another disadvantage of using deep freeze is you cannot update your programs or OS easily. You have to be patience in having multiple restarts to do that.

Thus deep freeze still has a risk.

OPTION 3: DOING THE PARTITION STUFF OF NETHACK

I hope you understand how to do it as explained in the first post. But how does it works and prevents virus infection? Here is how it works:

First you will install you OS and Programs in a drive partition of the PC. Installing AV is optional. Thus your PC will be assumed as clean and no virus infection since it is freshly installed.

Then you will copy the newly installed clean partition to another partition. Thus you will have 2 partitions of clean OS.

The partition stuff is still expected to be infected. But the only one of the two cloned partitions can be infected. Since the other partition is clean, you then just restore/reclone the clean partition to the infected one. Thus you will have a clean partition again - free from virus infection. Now what is the risk?

There are some viruses that encodes their source code to any file of program. There are also viruses that copies itself to every directory. Thus the virus will spread to every partitions even to those clean that you hid.

For example we have 3 partitions. One for the OS, one for the cloned backup, and one for your files. Let us say, a scenario - your PC was infected by a virus that encodes itself to a file and runs the code every time you open the infected file. Then let us say a file that you open frequently in your work was infected. Since you noticed that your PC was infected, you tried to restore your partition. Then after opening your "frequently opened file", your computer will again be infected.

A great disadvantage in this option is "the frequent you were infected, the frequent you will restore your partition".

Concluding further, as I declared in the first place, "There is no such thing as Ultimate Virus Solution" because every option has its risk and disadvantages. My only suggestion is all of us should be knowledgeable about virus and prevent it from spreading. Then choose the best option that is suitable for us because there is no excellent option.

In the last part, I want to share my experience. In my own computer, I am not using any of the above option but you will not find any single virus running in my PC. Thus my PC is definitely not infected. How could it be? Because I am aware of every virus' behavior. I just simply prevent them from running and spreading using my knowledge and understanding.

Now I am currently working as computer maintenance in our area. I am maintaining/repairing computer in 10 high schools, 1 college institution, 2 Local Government Units (Municipalities), 5 Internet cafe's, 3 business agencies, and numbers of private computers and still growing. All and every PC that I handle are not infected. Some are for two years. I got all the positive feedback on my job. I am just using scripts in computers that everybody is using because I can't explain to everybody how to prevent virus infection. Scripts that runs only every time it is needed. Script that runs only 1-3 second/s and do all the stuffs needed to prevent infection.

And as I have said, my script has also its risk and also has few disadvantages. But the risk is only 1-5% better on any option mentioned above. I am not giving details about it yet but my scripts are about to be released soon.

@whitestar_999
It is clear and evident that u use and understand the approach discussed in first post, it really dos'nt matters a lot, whether u use Norton Ghost or Acronis.
:rockon:

@spyder_21er

First - A rep for u, for a wonderful comparison.

Originally Posted by spyder_21er

OPTION 3: DOING THE PARTITION STUFF OF NETHACK
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First you will install you OS and Programs in a drive partition of the PC. Installing AV is optional. Thus your PC will be assumed as clean and no virus infection since it is freshly installed.

Then you will copy the newly installed clean partition to another partition. Thus you will have 2 partitions of clean OS.

There is a difference.., Instead of creating the backup on "another partition" we create the backup as a file on a drive then make a backup of it on a DVD, so the backup is 100% safe.

A great disadvantage in this option is "the frequent you were infected, the frequent you will restore your partition".

It hardly takes 5-10 Min only, so it is not a big problem.

Concluding further, as I declared in the first place, "There is no such thing as Ultimate Virus Solution" because every option has its risk and disadvantages.

To an extent, I agree with you.. but i still say my method give me 100% guarantee against viruses.

Originally Posted by whitestar_999

who would spent his precious time creating a brilliant virus which can defeat any AV in world to infect your PC unless your PC has information which can change the fate of the world.:001_tongue:

WRONG
Virus creators did nt get paid for their work............
They always write viruses in a hope that it can defeat any AV in world......
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Use any method but do use anti-Virus(Not pirated)... Kaam ka mamla hai yaar

Originally Posted by gothic_coder

Use any method but do use anti-Virus(Not pirated)... Kaam ka mamla hai yaar

Yes.. the method in first post is good.. but anti-Virus is necessary.

Originally Posted by limpu.cool

Yes.. the method in first post is good.. but anti-Virus is necessary.

If u have faith in Antiviruses then u can surely use, I never said NOT to use antiviruses.

No offence to OP, He did explained good method, Also i agree that nothing is Ultimate Virus Solution but i better stick to Anti-Virus rather than restoring my PC almost everyday... Using internet without antivirus do infect your PC and i can assume you don't want to restore your OS everyday...

Originally Posted by Just4kick

WRONG
Virus creators did nt get paid for their work............
They always write viruses in a hope that it can defeat any AV in world......
:lol: :lol: :lol:

you are not keeping yourself updated with the security news!all those who created viruses do it for either fun or monetary purposes & that's why ordinary people like you & me haven't encountered an invincible virus.if there is such a virus it will be used to attack some very secure & specific computers/networks.also keep in mind that almost all important defense installations use open source OS like LINUX & all these window viruses like conficker etc. are not very brilliant piece of work.infact no windows only virus can ever be a brilliant piece of work & that's why it is never going to be invincible.

@spyder_21er,your knowledge is good but don't be overconfident.viruses are now-a-days not as much of a threat as malware.infact you can get infected by a malware just by opening a specially designed web page & once malware has infiltrated your computer it can also make a backdoor for virus & tha's why AV is necessary.of course if you only visit safe & famous sites then there is no need to worry but then we all know that at some point of time everyone visits some not so safe & famous website.

Again WRONG
Every virus is invincible until you or any anti-virus detect it... :lol:
You said conficker is a virus... why? - because one of the anti-virus reported it as a virus. But can you say that anti-viruses reported conficker as a virus from the day one of its presence?.
If not then can you not say that it was invincible on that day?

Originally Posted by whitestar_999

all those who created viruses do it for either fun or monetary purposes

FUN is all what i live for... but do you really understand the power of fun?
I think you did nt!!!

OK.. answer this....

1. • Linus torvalds has created Linux for fun... (Y/N)
   • Microsoft has created Windows for monetary purposes... (Y/N)
   • Which is more powerful?.. and why?
2. • Thomas Alva Edison was not even a graduate but has invented so many things.. (Y/N)
   • There are lacks of people in this world who have compleated their phd.. (Y/N)
   • Will you compare anyone of those phd's with Edison?

I think the answer of both the questions lies in FUN... Isn't It?

So when there is so much power in fun then why not a virus creator who create virus for FUN is better than a programmer working in a antivirus company? and iff he is better.. then why can't he defeate them?

I beg to differ. There is something in the dictionary called Organization. It is the most powerful and dangerous thing man has ever invented.

Originally Posted by meetdilip

I beg to differ. There is something in the dictionary called Organization. It is the most powerful and dangerous thing man has ever invented.

You are absolutely correct dear...
But............

Who is the most organized group of programmers in the world? - Isn't it the group of "Hackers and crackers".

Who are the virus creators? - Isn't it the group of "Hackers and crackers".

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I am not eligible to implement this based on "Tools needed #5"

-F

Originally Posted by netherwinterknights

Ultimate Virus Solution: -

is to use a good AntiVirus software. It pays dividends to actually buy one, and keep it updated regularly.

Myth # 133

Premium Anti-viruses and security suites are more effective than Free antivirus+Firewall+Anti-spyware .

It would be more useful to invest that money on a good Ram

Originally Posted by Just4kick

So when there is so much power in fun then why not a virus creator who create virus for FUN is better than a programmer working in a antivirus company? and iff he is better.. then why can't he defeate them?

Thats a nice way of reasoning

But Anti-virus professionals are not like programmers in Microsoft company .......... Generally most people who work in the AV companies are very passionate about their work

and so they can rival the hackers imo

^^^ lets ask ashish for his opinion ...........