Thread: Ultimate VIRUS Solution.

There are simple ways to avoid Viruses ... like many said there is no 100% effective way... but a combination of these will be very effective ... more effective than any of the above method imo

-> Use a good Web browser
-> Surf safe ! (There are many add-ons softwares that rank web sites)
-> Good AV (I use Avira free , if you can live with false positives its the best ...one of the best scanners and database updated hourly )
-> Good Anti-spyware
-> Good Firewall
-> and invest on a good Ram

Originally Posted by ShAdOwCoN

Thats a nice way of reasoning

Thanks...:001_smile: but where is my rep+.:yes:

But Anti-virus professionals are not like programmers in Microsoft company .......... Generally most people who work in the AV companies are very passionate about their work

That means they are like phd holders:24: from good university....

and so they can rival the hackers imo

That means those phd holders can be compared to Edison.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Originally Posted by Just4kick

Again WRONG
Every virus is invincible until you or any anti-virus detect it... :lol:
You said conficker is a virus... why? - because one of the anti-virus reported it as a virus. But can you say that anti-viruses reported conficker as a virus from the day one of its presence?.
If not then can you not say that it was invincible on that day?


FUN is all what i live for... but do you really understand the power of fun?
I think you did nt!!!

OK.. answer this....

1. • Linus torvalds has created Linux for fun... (Y/N)
   • Microsoft has created Windows for monetary purposes... (Y/N)
   • Which is more powerful?.. and why?
2. • Thomas Alva Edison was not even a graduate but has invented so many things.. (Y/N)
   • There are lacks of people in this world who have compleated their phd.. (Y/N)
   • Will you compare anyone of those phd's with Edison?

I think the answer of both the questions lies in FUN... Isn't It?

So when there is so much power in fun then why not a virus creator who create virus for FUN is better than a programmer working in a antivirus company? and iff he is better.. then why can't he defeate them?

you are wrong on all accounts.definition of invincible is one which can not be defeated & conficker was defeated.there is no such thing as invincible to a certain extent.invincible is always used in absolute terms(simple version:lion can be killed by a bullet & gun only after you see him but that doesn't make the lion invincible till you see him).

do not confuse fun with motivation & quest for knowledge .judging by this particular statement of yours i can say that you haven't had much experience reading life works & ambitions/motives behind work of great scientists.linus created linux because he took a stand against the microsoft policy of proprietary software. Thomas Edison created so many things because he has a strong natural fascination towards how things works & in context of the amazing discoveries made at that time(including electricity)it motivated him to try various different ways to harness the power of those discoveries.

P.S.try reading theory of relativity & its inherent paradoxes or quantum mechanics for fun without any interest/motivation & you will realize that it's no fun.even by suggesting that great scientists like Edison(or Newton,Einstein etc) did it for fun you are in a way insulting them & every famous scientist ever born to this day.

Originally Posted by whitestar_999

there is no such thing as invincible to a certain extent.

Now you came to the correct point - "there is no such thing as invincible"... when this was the case then why you were looking for an invincible virus?. :lol:
You looks like a CSE graduate... if this is the case then you must be aware of the fact that - there is no possiblity to have an invincible virus in past/present computer science world.

do not confuse fun with motivation & quest for knowledge .judging by this particular statement of yours i can say that you haven't had much experience reading life works & ambitions/motives behind work of great scientists.linus created linux because he took a stand against the microsoft policy of proprietary software. Thomas Edison created so many things because he has a strong natural fascination towards how things works & in context of the amazing discoveries made at that time(including electricity)it motivated him to try various different ways to harness the power of those discoveries.

I don't know what you mean by FUN...

MINIX was only a kind of fun hobby for me. - Dr. Andrew S. Tanenbaum.

To me it means JOY... and the meaning of FUN in context of greats like Linus/Edison means "Joy of Creativity" or in other words "the state of being intensely interested" towards their area of work...

You said "motivation & quest for knowledge".
Can you say that you have compleated your graduation without "motivation & quest for knowledge"?, or do you want to say that the lacks of phd holders have compleated their degrees without "motivation & quest for knowledge"?
I assume your answer is, NO - there was "motivation & quest for knowledge"!!!.
So what is the difference between you (or phd holders) and the greats - Isn't it the "the state of being intensely interested" towards their area of work... or in my words JOY/FUN.

Afterall you yourself have said "Thomas Edison created so many things because he has a strong natural fascination towards how things works...", Isn't the meaning of facination = "the state of being intensely interested"?.

I already said - "Virus creators did nt get paid for their work............"
So when they are not getting paid for their extreamly extraordinary work... and then also they are happy with their work - Isn't this means they feel "Joy of Creativity" in their work... or in a way they are on the same road on which the Greats have walked!!!.

by suggesting that great scientists like Edison(or Newton,Einstein etc) did it for fun you are in a way insulting them & every famous scientist ever born to this day.

Its the difference of openion!!!
To me by comparing those greats with the qualities of peoples like you and me - In a way you are insulting them.

Originally Posted by Just4kick

That means they are like phd holders:24: from good university....
That means those phd holders can be compared to Edison.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

You should Massachusetts Institute of Technology .....

Originally Posted by ShAdOwCoN

You should Massachusetts Institute of Technology .....

You should "TEACH IN" Massachusetts Institute of Technology
or
You should "LEARN IN" Massachusetts Institute of Technology

After having read the whole thread it seems as if members have taken the discussion into the wrong direction ......................
This is because of the fact that the method mentioned by @nethack is not a virus remedy instead it is an approach of restoring the system to it's original state{(i.e. the state when it was virus free) (that includes the operating system installed along with the driver's etc. and softwares(if any))} done by reinstalling/restoring the system using a dedicated partition created primarily by using softwares like norton ghost etc. or using the DVD backup made.

This feature is already available in almost all the Branded desktops and laptops from DELL,HP etc. In either of the case they provide either a Backup DVD or elseif have a System restore or factory image restore option available by the aid of the recovery drive built for this purpose by them at the time of operating system install on the HDD.

while the main aim of the AV is to keep the system running virus free ........... so it in no way comparable to the method mentioned by @nethack.

the method mentioned actually is a method of reinstalling/restoring the Opearting system using the Image built by the use of softwares like ghost etc. rather than having to install the complete Operating system along with the required driver's and softwares manually.

The main basic advantage of this software(by the creation of the Backup) is that it reduces the time required for reinstallation/restoring the operating system considerably and provides a hazzle free install with all the required driver's etc.

Originally Posted by Just4kick

Now you came to the correct point - "there is no such thing as invincible"... when this was the case then why you were looking for an invincible virus?. :lol:
You looks like a CSE graduate... if this is the case then you must be aware of the fact that - there is no possiblity to have an invincible virus in past/present computer science world.

you were bent on claiming conficker as an invincible virus till it was detected.don't twist my sentences out of context.in fact this is the technique used by extremist organizations like Al-Quida to instigate people.did you know that bu just quoting 2 lines of Quran out context you can send a message to justify killing of non-muslims(or Kafirs)(paragraph where pagamber was forced to take a stand after he left the city of mecca to avoid confrontatiuon i think)?

I don't know what you mean by FUN...

To me it means JOY... and the meaning of FUN in context of greats like Linus/Edison means "Joy of Creativity" or in other words "the state of being intensely interested" towards their area of work...

again same twisting of words & use of jargons.by this definition of yours every thing every scientist has ever done can be considered as fun.

You said "motivation & quest for knowledge".
Can you say that you have compleated your graduation without "motivation & quest for knowledge"?, or do you want to say that the lacks of phd holders have compleated their degrees without "motivation & quest for knowledge"?
I assume your answer is, NO - there was "motivation & quest for knowledge"!!!.
So what is the difference between you (or phd holders) and the greats - Isn't it the "the state of being intensely interested" towards their area of work... or in my words JOY/FUN.

you really don't know the state of our phd holders.did you know that C.V.Raman was the only indian citizen scientist to ever won a nobel & that too in 1929.we have a lot more facilities & students pursuing higher education but not a single noble winner has emerged till now.the reason is 99% of phd holders in india don't do it for the reason i mentioned but for other reasons ranging from job opportunities to professional gains.the remaining 1% do it for a serious reason which i mentioned & not for fun.btw i am merely a graduate.

Afterall you yourself have said "Thomas Edison created so many things because he has a strong natural fascination towards how things works...", Isn't the meaning of facination = "the state of being intensely interested"?.

again words juggling.

I already said - "Virus creators did nt get paid for their work............"
So when they are not getting paid for their extreamly extraordinary work... and then also they are happy with their work - Isn't this means they feel "Joy of Creativity" in their work... or in a way they are on the same road on which the Greats have walked!!!.

happy means seeing the results of your efforts as per or exceeding your expectations.creativity & joy are not related to fun in any way like you made it to appear in your statements.

Its the difference of openion!!!
To me by comparing those greats with the qualities of peoples like you and me - In a way you are insulting them.

where did you get this idea?which of the qualities of such geniuses you possess or for that matter me.have you even tried reading the theory of relativity(especially the twin brothers paradox)?

in the end take a nice good advice from me for your own benefits.i have seen many people playing with this juggling of words & sentences.using irrelevant definitions(or complex) for simple words like "fun" & then to relate all this by quoting a few sentences out of context to justify the points is not a very wise thing to attempt in real life unless you are a politician.always be precise in your replies(simple version:joy of creativity,sate of being intensely interested.a good answer is one which use as simple words as possible.how many people you know who exactly use such expressions btw in daily life talking to others?).i asked a simple question & you gave a reply which if you write in a written examination will get you very poor marks.

P.S.to admins & all those i know this conversation between me & just4kick is out of context of this thread but please don't delete it.just read this post of mine with a little thinking & you will get to know some things.& one last thing when you use definitions for simple words don't use the expression"or in my words"unless you have an authority over the subject(in this case english language by virtue of being a nobel prize winner or some other great figure with lots of awards in english language field).

@ whitestar_999 , J4Kick

why don't you guys continue in chat thread. both of your arguments seems equally correct !

equally correct?my friend newprouser!my statements are simple & precise.his statements tell a simple person that the meaning of word "FUN" is "joy of creativity","the state of being intensely interested" & then "in his words"you should accept this all.

Originally Posted by whitestar_999

equally correct?my friend newprouser!my statements are simple & precise.his statements tell a simple person that the meaning of word "FUN" is "joy of creativity","the state of being intensely interested" & then "in his words"you should accept this all.

http://www.indiabroadband.net/yard/1...tml#post167441

Seems like a neat idea. I don't think I'll need it, though. Ever since I put fedora-8 on my system it's been ages since I had even a hangup. I wonder why people still prefer to struggle with M$...

Originally Posted by whitestar_999

you were bent on claiming conficker as an invincible virus till it was detected.don't twist my sentences out of context.

Well i am a CSE student and i know that there is no possiblity to have an invincible virus in past/present computer science world.
But since you have written : -

that's why ordinary people like you & me haven't encountered an invincible virus

Since invincible=impossible in context of viruses.. i interpreated it as invincible="extreamly hard to fix"... if you want to say that my interpretation is wrong then you should first acknowledge that your statement was wrong.

in fact this is the technique used by extremist organizations like Al-Quida to instigate people.did you know that bu just quoting 2 lines of Quran out context you can send a message to justify killing of non-muslims(or Kafirs)(paragraph where pagamber was forced to take a stand after he left the city of mecca to avoid confrontatiuon i think)?

You might have read the holy Quran but I have never read it... neither i am related to Al-Quida in any way... and that is not in any way related to this debate as well... so please be on track.

again same twisting of words & use of jargons

If you have trouble understanding my interpretation of FUN then what will you say to this :-

MINIX was only a kind of fun hobby for me. - Dr. Andrew S. Tanenbaum.

Jim Zemlin: You’ve often been quoted as saying, ‘Linux is just fun,’ and that’s what really motivates you to do this.
Linus Torvalds: Right.
Jim Zemlin: Do you see Linux, the development of Linux as something of a greater cause?
Linus Torvalds: No. No, not to me; I mean, to other people it is. I mean, it’s actually one of the things I found to be interesting is how people use Linux in ways that I didn’t start out designing it for and sometimes use it for things that I really don’t care about personally that much.
And all the usage where people use Linux for third world countries and helping humanity, some people think that’s why I got into it and, no, that’s not why I got into it and the credit should go to projects like OLPC that use Linux to try to better the world in a bigger picture.
To me it’s being – I think it’s very interesting and, I mean, when I say it’s – what drives, motivates me is the fun part. I mean, part of being fun is that it should be difficult enough to not be trivial. So, fun doesn’t mean that it’s frivolous; it just means it’s interesting and exciting.

Linus never intentionally sought fame and fortune. Yet both found him when Linus Torvalds radically changed the world of technology for one selfish reason: He did it just for fun.
(This description is from Harper Collins Publishing)

by this definition of yours every thing every scientist has ever done can be considered as fun.

To an extent.. as linus said "No. No, not to me; I mean, to other people it is." - this is what i mean to say.

99% of phd holders in india don't do it for the reason i mentioned but for other reasons ranging from job opportunities to professional gains

This is not only the story of India.. but it is a big fact of this World...

the remaining 1% do it for a serious reason which i mentioned & not for fun

The moment they will try to discover the FUN in their areas.. they might reach to levels of Tenenbaum/Linus...

again words juggling.

If you coud'nt understand the meaning of FUN.. then you will feel the same.

creativity & joy are not related to fun in any way like you made it to appear in your statements.

Sorry but.. without fun there will be no joy and without fun there is almost no room for creativity.

where did you get this idea?which of the qualities of such geniuses you possess or for that matter me.

If you want to say "motivation & quest for knowledge" are the factors then ofcourse I can say - me along with lacks of others possesses this.

have you even tried reading the theory of relativity(especially the twin brothers paradox)?

I did'nt feel FUN in it so i did'nt.. (Fun can't be enforced!!!).

i have seen many people playing with this juggling of words & sentences.using irrelevant definitions(or complex) for simple words like "fun"

My dear friend.. fun is not a very simple word to interpret and that is why it has different meaning in the dictionaries of different peoples like Tanenbaum/Linus and You.
(When microprocessor encounters an unknown opcode it generates an interrupt... when humans encounter a unknown word they say it "juggling of words" )

a good answer is one which use as simple words as possible

There is a very simple word - "feeling", can you describe its correct meaning in one sentence!!!.

which if you write in a written examination will get you very poor marks

But this a Forum and not an written examination.. my friend!!!.

Originally Posted by whitestar_999

......linus created linux because he took a stand against the microsoft policy of proprietary software.

Originally Posted by Just4kick

......some people think that’s why I got into it and, no, that’s not why I got into it.....

Statements looks contradictory.

@limpu.cool see this also

To me it’s being – I think it’s very interesting and, I mean, when I say it’s – what drives, motivates me is the fun part.

Isn't this means FUN ~> "the state of being intensely interested".

@just4kick,i am done with this debate."for those who believe no proof is necessary,for those who don't no evidence is sufficient".btw for a cse student your language & comprehension style don't match with this stream.the kind of language & writing style you displayed would be more suitable for a stream like philosophy.
as for that al-quida part just consider that a piece of information even if you don't see its relevance in this debate.
& btw Linus Torvalds(or for that matter any computer programming/hardware genius) is way out of league of scientists like Newton & Einstein because his work is not so great when compared to work of these great scientists(linux is mainly based on UNIX & also borrowed a lot from Richard stallman's work in this field).
& finally whether online or offline it pays to be consistent.

Its good to see the end of this hot debate.

Originally Posted by whitestar_999

btw for a cse student your language & comprehension style don't match with this stream.the kind of language & writing style you displayed would be more suitable for a stream like philosophy.

I am a multi-skilled character.. my friend.

You were feeling proud to say

Originally Posted by whitestar_999

also keep in mind that almost all important defense installations use open source OS like LINUX

But now you have even refused to include Linus - "the inventor of Linux", in the list of Greats...
:lol: :lol: :lol:

for those who believe no proof is necessary,for those who don't no evidence is sufficient.

Absolutely correct!!! :lol:


Anyway... thanks for giving us a wonderful time, here in this thread.

This is pointless bickering. I do not want to

- delete posts from this thread
- close this thread

So please stop fighting.

Originally Posted by johnson

Seems like a neat idea. I don't think I'll need it, though. Ever since I put fedora-8 on my system it's been ages since I had even a hangup. I wonder why people still prefer to struggle with M$...

@Johnson.. You can even make a backup of your fedora-8, using this technique... Peoples use M$... coz it is much easy to use and troubleshoot..

I think you should read 'how to break a code ' & you will know that nothing is going to save you from attack. Even linux have viruses but in ratio ten million to one & they are not made to propagate much. I use linux because it is more secure.