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limpu.cool

Yes.. the method in first post is good.. but anti-Virus is necessary.

nethack

If u have faith in Antiviruses then u can surely use, I never said NOT to use antiviruses.

gothic_coder

No offence to OP, He did explained good method, Also i agree that nothing is Ultimate Virus Solution but i better stick to Anti-Virus rather than restoring my PC almost everyday... Using internet without antivirus do infect your PC and i can assume you don't want to restore your OS everyday...

whitestar_999

you are not keeping yourself updated with the security news!all those who created viruses do it for either fun or monetary purposes & that's why ordinary people like you & me haven't encountered an invincible virus.if there is such a virus it will be used to attack some very secure & specific computers/networks.also keep in mind that almost all important defense installations use open source OS like LINUX & all these window viruses like conficker etc. are not very brilliant piece of work.infact no windows only virus can ever be a brilliant piece of work & that's why it is never going to be invincible.

@spyder_21er,your knowledge is good but don't be overconfident.viruses are now-a-days not as much of a threat as malware.infact you can get infected by a malware just by opening a specially designed web page & once malware has infiltrated your computer it can also make a backdoor for virus & tha's why AV is necessary.of course if you only visit safe & famous sites then there is no need to worry but then we all know that at some point of time everyone visits some not so safe & famous website.

Just4kick

Again WRONG
Every virus is invincible until you or any anti-virus detect it...
You said conficker is a virus... why? - because one of the anti-virus reported it as a virus. But can you say that anti-viruses reported conficker as a virus from the day one of its presence?.
If not then can you not say that it was invincible on that day?

FUN is all what i live for... but do you really understand the power of fun?
I think you did nt!!!

OK.. answer this....

1. • Linus torvalds has created Linux for fun... (Y/N)
   • Microsoft has created Windows for monetary purposes... (Y/N)
   • Which is more powerful?.. and why?
2. • Thomas Alva Edison was not even a graduate but has invented so many things.. (Y/N)
   • There are lacks of people in this world who have compleated their phd.. (Y/N)
   • Will you compare anyone of those phd's with Edison?

I think the answer of both the questions lies in FUN... Isn't It?

So when there is so much power in fun then why not a virus creator who create virus for FUN is better than a programmer working in a antivirus company? and iff he is better.. then why can't he defeate them?

meetdilip

I beg to differ. There is something in the dictionary called Organization. It is the most powerful and dangerous thing man has ever invented.

Just4kick

You are absolutely correct dear...
But............

Who is the most organized group of programmers in the world? - Isn't it the group of "Hackers and crackers".

Who are the virus creators? - Isn't it the group of "Hackers and crackers".

Punch Farce

I am not eligible to implement this based on "Tools needed #5"

-F

ShAdOwCoN

Myth # 133

Premium Anti-viruses and security suites are more effective than Free antivirus+Firewall+Anti-spyware .

It would be more useful to invest that money on a good Ram

Thats a nice way of reasoning

But Anti-virus professionals are not like programmers in Microsoft company .......... Generally most people who work in the AV companies are very passionate about their work

and so they can rival the hackers imo

newprouser

^^^ lets ask ashish for his opinion ...........

ShAdOwCoN

There are simple ways to avoid Viruses ... like many said there is no 100% effective way... but a combination of these will be very effective ... more effective than any of the above method imo

-> Use a good Web browser
-> Surf safe ! (There are many add-ons softwares that rank web sites)
-> Good AV (I use Avira free , if you can live with false positives its the best ...one of the best scanners and database updated hourly )
-> Good Anti-spyware
-> Good Firewall
-> and invest on a good Ram

Just4kick

Thanks... but where is my rep+.

That means they are like phd holders from good university....

That means those phd holders can be compared to Edison.

whitestar_999

you are wrong on all accounts.definition of invincible is one which can not be defeated & conficker was defeated.there is no such thing as invincible to a certain extent.invincible is always used in absolute terms(simple version:lion can be killed by a bullet & gun only after you see him but that doesn't make the lion invincible till you see him).

do not confuse fun with motivation & quest for knowledge .judging by this particular statement of yours i can say that you haven't had much experience reading life works & ambitions/motives behind work of great scientists.linus created linux because he took a stand against the microsoft policy of proprietary software. Thomas Edison created so many things because he has a strong natural fascination towards how things works & in context of the amazing discoveries made at that time(including electricity)it motivated him to try various different ways to harness the power of those discoveries.

P.S.try reading theory of relativity & its inherent paradoxes or quantum mechanics for fun without any interest/motivation & you will realize that it's no fun.even by suggesting that great scientists like Edison(or Newton,Einstein etc) did it for fun you are in a way insulting them & every famous scientist ever born to this day.

Just4kick

Now you came to the correct point - "there is no such thing as invincible"... when this was the case then why you were looking for an invincible virus?.
You looks like a CSE graduate... if this is the case then you must be aware of the fact that - there is no possiblity to have an invincible virus in past/present computer science world.

I don't know what you mean by FUN...
To me it means JOY... and the meaning of FUN in context of greats like Linus/Edison means "Joy of Creativity" or in other words "the state of being intensely interested" towards their area of work...

You said "motivation & quest for knowledge".
Can you say that you have compleated your graduation without "motivation & quest for knowledge"?, or do you want to say that the lacks of phd holders have compleated their degrees without "motivation & quest for knowledge"?
I assume your answer is, NO - there was "motivation & quest for knowledge"!!!.
So what is the difference between you (or phd holders) and the greats - Isn't it the "the state of being intensely interested" towards their area of work... or in my words JOY/FUN.

Afterall you yourself have said "Thomas Edison created so many things because he has a strong natural fascination towards how things works...", Isn't the meaning of facination = "the state of being intensely interested"?.

I already said - "Virus creators did nt get paid for their work............"
So when they are not getting paid for their extreamly extraordinary work... and then also they are happy with their work - Isn't this means they feel "Joy of Creativity" in their work... or in a way they are on the same road on which the Greats have walked!!!.

Its the difference of openion!!!
To me by comparing those greats with the qualities of peoples like you and me - In a way you are insulting them.

ShAdOwCoN

You should Massachusetts Institute of Technology .....

Just4kick

You should "TEACH IN" Massachusetts Institute of Technology
or
You should "LEARN IN" Massachusetts Institute of Technology

eruptionjoojo

After having read the whole thread it seems as if members have taken the discussion into the wrong direction ......................
This is because of the fact that the method mentioned by @nethack is not a virus remedy instead it is an approach of restoring the system to it's original state{(i.e. the state when it was virus free) (that includes the operating system installed along with the driver's etc. and softwares(if any))} done by reinstalling/restoring the system using a dedicated partition created primarily by using softwares like norton ghost etc. or using the DVD backup made.

This feature is already available in almost all the Branded desktops and laptops from DELL,HP etc. In either of the case they provide either a Backup DVD or elseif have a System restore or factory image restore option available by the aid of the recovery drive built for this purpose by them at the time of operating system install on the HDD.

while the main aim of the AV is to keep the system running virus free ........... so it in no way comparable to the method mentioned by @nethack.

the method mentioned actually is a method of reinstalling/restoring the Opearting system using the Image built by the use of softwares like ghost etc. rather than having to install the complete Operating system along with the required driver's and softwares manually.

The main basic advantage of this software(by the creation of the Backup) is that it reduces the time required for reinstallation/restoring the operating system considerably and provides a hazzle free install with all the required driver's etc.

whitestar_999

you were bent on claiming conficker as an invincible virus till it was detected.don't twist my sentences out of context.in fact this is the technique used by extremist organizations like Al-Quida to instigate people.did you know that bu just quoting 2 lines of Quran out context you can send a message to justify killing of non-muslims(or Kafirs)(paragraph where pagamber was forced to take a stand after he left the city of mecca to avoid confrontatiuon i think)?


again same twisting of words & use of jargons.by this definition of yours every thing every scientist has ever done can be considered as fun.

you really don't know the state of our phd holders.did you know that C.V.Raman was the only indian citizen scientist to ever won a nobel & that too in 1929.we have a lot more facilities & students pursuing higher education but not a single noble winner has emerged till now.the reason is 99% of phd holders in india don't do it for the reason i mentioned but for other reasons ranging from job opportunities to professional gains.the remaining 1% do it for a serious reason which i mentioned & not for fun.btw i am merely a graduate.

again words juggling.

happy means seeing the results of your efforts as per or exceeding your expectations.creativity & joy are not related to fun in any way like you made it to appear in your statements.

where did you get this idea?which of the qualities of such geniuses you possess or for that matter me.have you even tried reading the theory of relativity(especially the twin brothers paradox)?

in the end take a nice good advice from me for your own benefits.i have seen many people playing with this juggling of words & sentences.using irrelevant definitions(or complex) for simple words like "fun" & then to relate all this by quoting a few sentences out of context to justify the points is not a very wise thing to attempt in real life unless you are a politician.always be precise in your replies(simple version:joy of creativity,sate of being intensely interested.a good answer is one which use as simple words as possible.how many people you know who exactly use such expressions btw in daily life talking to others?).i asked a simple question & you gave a reply which if you write in a written examination will get you very poor marks.

P.S.to admins & all those i know this conversation between me & just4kick is out of context of this thread but please don't delete it.just read this post of mine with a little thinking & you will get to know some things.& one last thing when you use definitions for simple words don't use the expression"or in my words"unless you have an authority over the subject(in this case english language by virtue of being a nobel prize winner or some other great figure with lots of awards in english language field).

newprouser

@ whitestar_999 , J4Kick

why don't you guys continue in chat thread. both of your arguments seems equally correct !

whitestar_999

equally correct?my friend newprouser!my statements are simple & precise.his statements tell a simple person that the meaning of word "FUN" is "joy of creativity","the state of being intensely interested" & then "in his words"you should accept this all.