Thread: Formalities for starting Wi-fi Services

I am using commercial connection of BSNL for my cyber cafe can I also provide wi-fi facility at my cafe.
I wanted to know if I can provide wi-fi internet services in my area, using my connection and if I need to take permission from BSNL or DOT for that or I need to install the equipments only and start providing services.

Originally Posted by aakashbhatnagar

I am using commercial connection of BSNL for my cyber cafe can I also provide wi-fi facility at my cafe.
I wanted to know if I can provide wi-fi internet services in my area, using my connection and if I need to take permission from BSNL or DOT for that or I need to install the equipments only and start providing services.

You can provide wi-fi connection in limited range like 100 / 200 Mts. max but as you are asking to provide services is wi-fi zone, it can be done but its a bit expensive, estimated Rs. 1,50,000 for very limited range of 250-300 mts. you may ask any hardware consultant for the projection.

Originally Posted by aakashbhatnagar

I am using commercial connection of BSNL for my cyber cafe can I also provide wi-fi facility at my cafe.
I wanted to know if I can provide wi-fi internet services in my area, using my connection and if I need to take permission from BSNL or DOT for that or I need to install the equipments only and start providing services.

My friend what you are planning is illegal you cant redistribute the connection to your customers in your area. if you want to do that then you have to apply for C class ISP license and also you need to take a ISP bandwidth because the bandwidth offered by BSNL is only for end users it may be person use of commercial use. but ISP is totally different.

Originally Posted by aakashbhatnagar

I am using commercial connection of BSNL for my cyber cafe can I also provide wi-fi facility at my cafe.
I wanted to know if I can provide wi-fi internet services in my area, using my connection and if I need to take permission from BSNL or DOT for that or I need to install the equipments only and start providing services.

You can use a BTS in a tower and provide internet connections to customers in line o sight with your tower and this can be done upto a few kilometres distance.

There are a lot of companies selling these products and I am researching on this with the help of a few cable operators on what works and what doesnt and what works the best.

This set up as explained in my other thread in this section works on 2.4Ghz frequency which does not need any licensing.

If you are really interested in starting isp services please watch this wireless networking sub forum for some time and you will find 100% accurate information along with all the technical knowhow which you would need to run your network.

But can he share the existing BSNL broadband service and use it inturn as wifi service?

On a small scale yes but on large scale the resource won't be sufficent.
like most routers have very less range.

If you looking to use your existing BSNL connection, then you have install third party firmwares to get Hotspot functionality like in public wireless networks.

I dont know about the legal aspects I was only answering the question he asked... he never asked wether what he is looking to do is legal or illegal... he might have an isp license with him ... who am I to judge?

Dear Admin n all friends,

Thanks for being supportive and replying to my thread.

Originally Posted by Admin

You can use a BTS in a tower and provide internet connections to customers in line o sight with your tower and this can be done upto a few kilometres distance.

There are a lot of companies selling these products and I am researching on this with the help of a few cable operators on what works and what doesnt and what works the best.

This set up as explained in my other thread in this section works on 2.4Ghz frequency which does not need any licensing.

If you are really interested in starting isp services please watch this wireless networking sub forum for some time and you will find 100% accurate information along with all the technical know how which you would need to run your network.

To start WISP only thing is that a operator have to first decide the frequency before going to forward. only selecting 2.4 Ghz is not sufficient first you have to do a site survey because ISM band works in 2.4 Ghz but it hace some limitations like channel overlapping if the same frequency uses in your area by other operator then both are interfered with each other and face limited connectivity and frequent disconnects. as per ISM band there are 11 standard channels out of which a operator have to select suitable channel to uses in their areas.

and for equipment related like coverage then i know some venders which provide equipments which can give you 100% 2 to 3 Kms area with NOLS which cost around 85000 INR which will be installed as a base station to transmit the signal and having back hole for further extension like amplifier you can install that equipments in different areas all node can inter connect up to a distance of 15 Kms.

This solution is only for those operators who want to present a good brand in the market because for small operators it will be costly.

Birender Singh Budhwar

Could you share some of these vendors?

Also, why wouldn't you use the license free 5.8 frequency? (wimax license free)

Have one central antenna with a backhaul and another receiving system

eV

Originally Posted by evolcre

Could you share some of these vendors?

Also, why wouldn't you use the license free 5.8 frequency? (wimax license free)

Have one central antenna with a backhaul and another receiving system

eV

Dear Friend,

As the frequency increase its wave length is decreased (Wave length definition) its means up to what distance your signal can carried like in meters or kilo meters.

2.4 GHz means its frequency is high but its wave length is very short so it can only covers only few meters like 50 to 100 only. But with the help of our high gain antennas we can extend these coverage but the thing is that they are not comes under Indian TRAI and DOT specified specifications like per channel what bandwidth can be used like 5 MHz to 25 MHz Max in India as per govt policy. So we can’t go against the govt policies other wise govt put fine.

For your unlicensed band 5.8 GHz it’s a very high frequency and it runs on LOS line of sight and it uses sector panel antennas. So we have some limitations because all wimax bases stations are not OFDMA and MIMO certified for signal rebusting like mobile wimax which is very costly for small operator and for big industry players to, but mobile wimax is not yet properly tested as per wimax it can works indoor also but this technology failed to work indoor.

The best now day’s available frequency is 2.4 GHz because this is the only equipment which can service NOLS client but only thing is that before starting it a person has to do a little field survey for other existing frequencies in the service area.

Now day’s equipments are available which can serve clients up to 1 Kms with high gain receivers like USB high gain wifi receiver which cost only 2500 to 3500. Where as for wimax CPE it cost more then 6500 and above…so which is cheaper. Wifi or Wimax.

For small operators wifi is the best choice you can charge your customer security deposit of 2500 to 3500 which is refundable at the time of surrender of the CPE back to you. You can but your terms like if we found that equipment is damage or not in working condition at the time if the termination of the connection then the deposit will be forfeited.

If any one is planning to start their ISP then they can contact me.., I will give you the full plan of mini WISP for 500 to 1000 customer’s project plan. With Wifi ISM band in 2.4. But a C class ISP license is to be obtained. You can get it by providing 3 Lakhs bank guarantee to govt DOT and annual fee of 2.5 percent of your turnover. Bank guarantee is only for your performance, govt want this guarantee for security of license which is given to you. If your performance is not satisfied then govt will incased this bank guarantee.

I think is information is sufficient for all who are planning to start their ISP business and for wireless questions.

I'm on my mobile and traveling so will reply in detail later. Just wanted to say thanks for your information. Very helpful.

5.8 ghz wimax equipment and setup is expensive, yes, but QOS is better and it can support long term goals. CPE is more expensive also, you are correct, but if you are serving a complex of 400 residents, you can put a receiver on the roof and drag ethernet into each flat.

All depends on what the end goal is.

How about licensing for ISP in India? Is it an easy process?

In terms of backhaul - T1 or DS3 (45Megs), how much approximate will bandwidth charges be? I'm trying to get quotes but it is a slow slow process. The providers have no vested interest in helping a new WISP

Cheers - Krish

Originally Posted by evolcre

I'm on my mobile and traveling so will reply in detail later. Just wanted to say thanks for your information. Very helpful.

5.8 ghz wimax equipment and setup is expensive, yes, but QOS is better and it can support long term goals. CPE is more expensive also, you are correct, but if you are serving a complex of 400 residents, you can put a receiver on the roof and drag ethernet into each flat.

All depends on what the end goal is.

How about licensing for ISP in India? Is it an easy process?

In terms of backhaul - T1 or DS3 (45Megs), how much approximate will bandwidth charges be? I'm trying to get quotes but it is a slow slow process. The providers have no vested interest in helping a new WISP

Cheers - Krish

In India Wimax is totally failed because of its line of sight only in a very near location like up to 500 to 700 meters it works fine if you are behind this distance then you face frequent disconnects because of the environmental conditions in India is very host and some area it is very cold ISM band frequencies are having reflection problems with show and water lakes so signal get reflected some time due to these kind of problems.

I am having more then 8 years of experience in wireless communications with all kind of frequencies like GSM ,CDMA, TDMA, WDMA etc. and I favorite ISM band.

For licensing it will take around 15 to 20 days only. For processing if you have already registered a company under 1956 act. And the same company can be obtained license (The information which I give you in my last post).

For ISP bandwidth is very big problems why because if they give you bandwidth then an ISP player feels insecure because one new player is entering the game and shares the customers. So that’s why they don’t show any interest for new ISP’s.

For ISP bandwidth is very big problems why because if they give you bandwidth then an ISP player feels insecure because one new player is entering the game and shares the customers. So that’s why they don’t show any interest for new ISP’s.

That's why I have asked for quotes from the parent company to support 'internal operations' *wink*

More later. I want to reply in detail. Thanks for your info

Krish

Not totally unrelated, would anyone recommend me a bulk bandwidth provider who'd let me set up last mile access at this location - 24.333 93.667 - Google Maps

The location is in Churachandpur district Manipur in north east india. BSNL is the only broadband access provider in the region - pathetic and unreliable; Cellphone providers - airtel, aircel, tata indicom, vodaphone.

Possibly a leased line or satellite access, 5-10Mbps initially. I'd appreciate any information on any provider who would be willing and if possible the costs and terms. Would be over a hybrid fiber (2 core single mode trunk) + coax (for cable tv drops) and cat5 (for internet access drops). I have arrangements for the equipments required. As for the actual gateway/firewall it's being developed and tested - in-house - based on Linux. Thanks

@hexawiz

Please contact Zylog systems(India) limited
Phone (91) 44 3915 7000 Fax (91) 44 3915 7009
w w w. zslinc. com
( note : No interest in the company : not related to me )
Para two ;an offer to install a WIFi node in our flat complex ,

and added benefit of access to superior WIFI technnology at no cost, till such time you allow us to use your premises

and free Internet upto 1 or 4Mbps speed for lifetime , or
till the wifi node remains in our flat.

.......will weigh less than 10 kgs
will occupy a min space of apprx 2 to 3 sq ft . power requirement for the nodes would be less than 30W. ....

PARA twO:
Please check TataIndicom.
Availability in North East States of India mentioned. :
HSIA Photon Usb Modem

Thanks essbebe for the quick info.

About Tata Photon in the region it's not widely available and even where it is, owing to the terrain and thick greens the signal is not very reliable. And my uncle happens to be the licensee for Tata Indicom around the place so I have had a little experience of it but I personally wouldn't recommend it. Hopefully it could be better in the major cities.

I'll check with zylog in the coming few days. Thanks again.

I'd looked to some VSAT providers in Indonesia and this is what I got

For CIR 1:4, equipment requirements are as follows :
1. VSAT Antenna at least 2.4m
2. Block Up Converter 5 Watt With LO Freq 4900 MHz
3. LNB DRO or LNB PLL
4. Modem iDirect 3100
Estimated at about 4500 US$

and the charges

Monthly charges
256kbps Down/64kbps Up - 5 usable IPs - US$ 550
512kbps Down/128kbps Up - 5 usable IPs - US$ 800
1024kbps Down/256kbps Up - 5 usable IPs - US$ 1550

miscellaneous charges

Activation: US$ 175
Installation: Not mentioned/Extra

That's a hellota monie and it ain't for me

WIFI Antenna boosters are available.
Usually the power out put of WIFI routers is around 20 mw.
we can boost upto 1 Watt or 2 Watt and with direction antenna range can be achieved.

http://www.wirelessgardenstore.com/d...p?Redirected=Y


Give a rough idea of the system you intend to set up.
What is the Budget ?

Wifi routers with Accesspoint mode also available.
They will boost the signal like repeaters.

Could be an interesting project.
Start small and then expand.

Hello Everybody,

I am new to this forum and wish to learn from people here. I need info about getting a class C ISP license and other requiremens. Would anyone guide?

Originally Posted by birender

Dear Friend,

As the frequency increase its wave length is decreased (Wave length definition) its means up to what distance your signal can carried like in meters or kilo meters.

2.4 GHz means its frequency is high but its wave length is very short so it can only covers only few meters like 50 to 100 only. But with the help of our high gain antennas we can extend these coverage but the thing is that they are not comes under Indian TRAI and DOT specified specifications like per channel what bandwidth can be used like 5 MHz to 25 MHz Max in India as per govt policy. So we can’t go against the govt policies other wise govt put fine.

For your unlicensed band 5.8 GHz it’s a very high frequency and it runs on LOS line of sight and it uses sector panel antennas. So we have some limitations because all wimax bases stations are not OFDMA and MIMO certified for signal rebusting like mobile wimax which is very costly for small operator and for big industry players to, but mobile wimax is not yet properly tested as per wimax it can works indoor also but this technology failed to work indoor.

The best now day’s available frequency is 2.4 GHz because this is the only equipment which can service NOLS client but only thing is that before starting it a person has to do a little field survey for other existing frequencies in the service area.

Now day’s equipments are available which can serve clients up to 1 Kms with high gain receivers like USB high gain wifi receiver which cost only 2500 to 3500. Where as for wimax CPE it cost more then 6500 and above…so which is cheaper. Wifi or Wimax.

For small operators wifi is the best choice you can charge your customer security deposit of 2500 to 3500 which is refundable at the time of surrender of the CPE back to you. You can but your terms like if we found that equipment is damage or not in working condition at the time if the termination of the connection then the deposit will be forfeited.

If any one is planning to start their ISP then they can contact me.., I will give you the full plan of mini WISP for 500 to 1000 customer’s project plan. With Wifi ISM band in 2.4. But a C class ISP license is to be obtained. You can get it by providing 3 Lakhs bank guarantee to govt DOT and annual fee of 2.5 percent of your turnover. Bank guarantee is only for your performance, govt want this guarantee for security of license which is given to you. If your performance is not satisfied then govt will incased this bank guarantee.

I think is information is sufficient for all who are planning to start their ISP business and for wireless questions.

Dear Birendra
I'd like to know the details for obtaining C grade ISP license. pls. forward me the details for project my email id is aakashbhatnagar@dataone.in

regards
Aakash bhatnagar

Originally Posted by birender

In India Wimax is totally failed because of its line of sight only in a very near location like up to 500 to 700 meters it works fine if you are behind this distance then you face frequent disconnects because of the environmental conditions in India is very host and some area it is very cold ISM band frequencies are having reflection problems with show and water lakes so signal get reflected some time due to these kind of problems.

I am having more then 8 years of experience in wireless communications with all kind of frequencies like GSM ,CDMA, TDMA, WDMA etc. and I favorite ISM band.

For licensing it will take around 15 to 20 days only. For processing if you have already registered a company under 1956 act. And the same company can be obtained license (The information which I give you in my last post).

For ISP bandwidth is very big problems why because if they give you bandwidth then an ISP player feels insecure because one new player is entering the game and shares the customers. So that’s why they don’t show any interest for new ISP’s.

no more Category C liscence issued by DOT only can apply for Class B with entry free also now. and the next stage in ISM is the high power to facilitate the Near-NLOS and that can be achieved by only making EIRP to 4 Watts of the base and the CPE to have RX more then - 85 and power more then 27db

Originally Posted by y3kindia

no more Category C liscence issued by DOT only can apply for Class B with entry free also now. and the next stage in ISM is the high power to facilitate the Near-NLOS and that can be achieved by only making EIRP to 4 Watts of the base and the CPE to have RX more then - 85 and power more then 27db

Still C class license can be availed its still avail ......., and for network our company have the full range of network setup equipments which can gives upto 5 kms connectivity with 1 Watt power output because in India we cant use more then 1 watt output power over ISM band.

Hi friend please my name is sajid from thane, give me your contact no. as im planning to start a wifi public internet business, you can suggeest me what should i do and how to do? please give e ur contact no. my no. is

Originally Posted by birender

Dear Friend,

As the frequency increase its wave length is decreased (Wave length definition) its means up to what distance your signal can carried like in meters or kilo meters.

2.4 GHz means its frequency is high but its wave length is very short so it can only covers only few meters like 50 to 100 only. But with the help of our high gain antennas we can extend these coverage but the thing is that they are not comes under Indian TRAI and DOT specified specifications like per channel what bandwidth can be used like 5 MHz to 25 MHz Max in India as per govt policy. So we can’t go against the govt policies other wise govt put fine.

For your unlicensed band 5.8 GHz it’s a very high frequency and it runs on LOS line of sight and it uses sector panel antennas. So we have some limitations because all wimax bases stations are not OFDMA and MIMO certified for signal rebusting like mobile wimax which is very costly for small operator and for big industry players to, but mobile wimax is not yet properly tested as per wimax it can works indoor also but this technology failed to work indoor.

The best now day’s available frequency is 2.4 GHz because this is the only equipment which can service NOLS client but only thing is that before starting it a person has to do a little field survey for other existing frequencies in the service area.

Now day’s equipments are available which can serve clients up to 1 Kms with high gain receivers like USB high gain wifi receiver which cost only 2500 to 3500. Where as for wimax CPE it cost more then 6500 and above…so which is cheaper. Wifi or Wimax.

For small operators wifi is the best choice you can charge your customer security deposit of 2500 to 3500 which is refundable at the time of surrender of the CPE back to you. You can but your terms like if we found that equipment is damage or not in working condition at the time if the termination of the connection then the deposit will be forfeited.

If any one is planning to start their ISP then they can contact me.., I will give you the full plan of mini WISP for 500 to 1000 customer’s project plan. With Wifi ISM band in 2.4. But a C class ISP license is to be obtained. You can get it by providing 3 Lakhs bank guarantee to govt DOT and annual fee of 2.5 percent of your turnover. Bank guarantee is only for your performance, govt want this guarantee for security of license which is given to you. If your performance is not satisfied then govt will incased this bank guarantee.

I think is information is sufficient for all who are planning to start their ISP business and for wireless questions.

hi birender please give me your contact no. as im planning to start a wi-fi public business im ready to spend money.... you tell your fees i will accept.... but please give me complete details of starting a wifi public business , and for that which kind of permissions vl be required and certification vl b required? please give me ur contact no.

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[QUOTE=sajid19991;233368]hi birender please give me your contact no. as im planning to start a wi-fi public business im ready to spend money.... you tell your fees i will accept.... but please give me complete details of starting a wifi public business , and for that which kind of permissions vl be required and certification vl b required? please give me ur contact no.QUOTE]

I Sajidand come on chat on skype i will guide your for the same.... and discuss the other aspects of the wifi ISP service.

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