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    Default Best ISP for online gaming ? BSNL has high ping times :(

    I'm currently using BSNL Home1000. The internet usage comes to roughly 4.5-5.5 GB on average per month.
    I need a constant speed of around 1.5Mpbs (Bsnl gives me around 2Mbps).

    Having unlimited downloads or night time unlimited downloads is a plus.

    The only major problem with BSNL is ridiculously high latency to EU and US servers (550-650ms average).

    Is there any provider that gives similar speeds, similar download limits, or better ?

    I'm looking at airtel and reliance but finding any information or relative comparison of plans is like pulling teeth out.

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    if u crave for constant speeds with low ping time all day long then subscribe to Reliance Wire-line not WiMAX.

    visit this thread for more info
    http://www.indiabroadband.net/relian...me-lowerd.html

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    Do you have any further information on this reliance connection and which cities it's available in/how much it costs etc ?

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    USE GARENA AND HAMACHI ..... works well on any isp as far as I have seen. With atleast 256 Kbps up/down
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    some times even a normal phone line con give you low pings..

    1.even if you are on a fiber optic line chances are that your dns servers may not be up to the task

    2.the mix between the dns and the operator is 1:3 so no worries

    3.my advice is that if you chose a fiber optic line then better go with level 3 dns{4.2.2.1} and {4.2.2.2}

    cheers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rsen View Post
    Do you have any further information on this reliance connection and which cities it's available in/how much it costs etc ?

    visit this

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    1MBps: 2200 + 500 phone rental = 2700 pm
    2MBps: 5000 + 500 phone rental = 5500 pm

    Is it just me or does this sound hideously expensive ?

    Right now I'm paying only 1000 per month for a 1.5Mbps speed (although the download limit of 5gb).

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    Quote Originally Posted by rsen View Post
    1MBps: 2200 + 500 phone rental = 2700 pm
    2MBps: 5000 + 500 phone rental = 5500 pm

    Is it just me or does this sound hideously expensive ?

    Right now I'm paying only 1000 per month for a 1.5Mbps speed (although the download limit of 5gb).
    its all about affordability dude if u have money then everything is cheap for you,but still 1MbPS plan at 2200 is VFM, considering the fact u can download 324 GB in Rs2200 without any FUP,and phone rental is Rs 50 not 500.

    same 1MbPS plan from Airtel cost 1700 but they have implemented FUP on it!!

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    ok thanks, it's interesting to know that reliance doesn't have FUP like airtel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rcom View Post
    its all about affordability dude if u have money then everything is cheap for you,but still 1MbPS plan at 2200 is VFM, considering the fact u can download 324 GB in Rs2200 without any FUP,and phone rental is Rs 50 not 500.

    same 1MbPS plan from Airtel cost 1700 but they have implemented FUP on it!!
    AMACHI server is good.......But for bsnl broadband 500c/500c+ the ping level will not remain in constant level due to vary in speed from 256kbps to 2mbps......

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    I am planning to get 3G when launched.
    how good will be gaming with that connection?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TECH HUNTER View Post
    I am planning to get 3G when launched.
    how good will be gaming with that connection?
    Probably bad.
    3G is mostly overhyped and rubbish.
    Wireless networks are typically unreliable and packet loss/fluctuating latency is almost a given.
    I don't understand why indian government is pushing such high end/luxury technologies that aren't even that useful, when basic internet infrastructure is garbage.

    In the US and in most western countries they primarily use cable internet - which is a joke over here. The technology is cheap and the bandwidth is amazing.
    You can easily get up to 20Mbps unlimited for $40 a month (which is Rs 2000). In India even with Rs 2000 we cannot get close to that and remember that the buying power of Rs 2000 in India is much higher than the US.

    Not sure who takes the blame for such a pathetic state of broadband in India.

    About Hamachi mentioned in this thread -

    Hamachi is a private 3rd party game server, I'm not sure why people keep bringing this up. It's generally known as a way to access multiplayer content for pirated games.
    It really has no bearing at all on your internet connection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rsen View Post
    Probably bad.
    3G is mostly overhyped and rubbish.
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    Indian govt wants to make India Japan,..
    Wireless networks are typically unreliable and packet loss/fluctuating latency is almost a given.
    yes you are right, but here they cannot built cable infrastructre as the one building all this is the buyer and not the co..
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    Quote Originally Posted by mickey View Post
    yes you are right, but here they cannot built cable infrastructre as the one building all this is the buyer and not the co..
    Typically cable internet uses the same coax cables used for cable TV.
    It's odd that the multitude of cable operators in India don't implement this; they have the infrastructure in place too.

    This is exactly how it works with Time Warner in the USA.

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    Sorry to dispel a myth ( one of greatest of our time),copper wires have better latency( then optic fibres) & will always have . Ask any communication engineer with knowledge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luke Skywalker View Post
    Sorry to dispel a myth ( one of greatest of our time),copper wires have better latency( then optic fibres) & will always have . Ask any communication engineer with knowledge.

    read this

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    Fiber Channel is fast becoming the gigabit-per-second interconnect technology of choice for high-speed system designers. It performs extremely well for storage, networks, video, data acquisition and many other applications. Fibre Channel is ideal for reliable, high-speed transfer of digital audio/video signals. Currently, aerospace design engineers are using Fibre Channel for highly reliable, real-time networking, as well as for low-latency, high- throughput signal processing applications. Fibre Channel interface products are available in both fiber optic and copper based formats.

    Fiber optic technology is simply a method of carrying information from one point to another in the form of light utilizing a thin strand of glass or plastic that serves as the transmission medium over which the information passes. Since the data is being transmitted with light pulses, as opposed to electrical current, there are several key advantages that make fiber optics attractive in applications ranging from telephony to computers to aircraft.

    One of the most beneficial advantages is the extremely wide bandwidth, which allows for increased information carrying capacity. The practical bandwidth of fiber optic cables far exceeds that of copper cable assemblies. Using optical fibers also helps to minimize attenuation in your system. As a signal travels along a transmission medium, either copper or fiber, the signal will naturally lose strength. In a copper wire, the attenuation increases as the frequency of the information signal increases. However, the attenuation in an optical fiber is virtually flat up until very high frequencies.

    Unless properly shielded, copper conductors can have problems with Electromagnetic Interference (EMI) affecting the data signal. Any exposed copper conductor can act as an antenna, depending on its length, that will either radiate or receive energy. Proper impedance matching and continuous enclosure solves this problem. However, susceptibility is completely eliminated by using fiber optics, which is immune to EMI and crosstalk. Fiber optics is considered one of the most highly secure transmission methods available.

    Another advantage of fiber optics is its small size and weight. Copper wires require more lines than fiber for the same transmission capacity. The reduced number of lines allows for maximum space utilization. This is extremely important in the commercial aircraft industry, since every pound can translate into increased operating costs.
    Fibre Channel transceivers can also be driven with true differential pair twinaxial signaling with 150-ohm impedance between conductors. A true twinaxial connector interface ensures signal integrity thereby minimizing jitter and data rate errors that will inevitably degrade the high-speed digital signal.

    source-sabritec.com

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    Where doest it say latency of optic is better than copper?

    Bandwidth is better that every one knows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luke Skywalker View Post
    Where doest it say latency of optic is better than copper?

    Bandwidth is better that every one knows.
    wait what ?
    please cite your sources.
    sounds like you're making it up.

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    @rsen:luke is desperately trying to prove copper is better than Fiber Optics

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    Quote Originally Posted by rsen View Post
    wait what ?
    please cite your sources.
    sounds like you're making it up.
    Latency of copper wires - Google Search

    What are the info in links in this page?
    Also check out this:http://www.indiabroadband.net/broadb...tml#post239163

    Quote Originally Posted by Rcom View Post
    @rsen:luke is desperately trying to prove copper is better than Fiber Optics
    In some respect copper is better for example latency but not overall. You are not reading my posts , I think.
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    i cannot understand why latency of copper wires maybe even lesser than high velocity beam of laser...
    i am not opposing you, but actually am a lot of noob in this..
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    Yes its speed is lesser than laser but laser is not travelling in a straight path in optics but ziz zag due to which it speed reduces to .66

    I am repeating nowhere I have said that optic is worse than copper. Show that post of mine where I have said that copper is better than optics fibre in all respects.
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    Omg yes... lol..

    so now whose side will i need to stand,, Rcom! come up with your views for this,..
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    luke u r diverting the topic, thread starter wants an ISP which can give low pings with constant speeds all day long and i have stated him the ISP which can fulfill his needs, and out of nowhere u have started COPPER VS OPTIC FIBER WAR.

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    Omg yes... lol..

    so now whose side will i need to stand,, Rcom! come up with your views for this,..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rcom View Post
    luke u r diverting the topic, thread starter wants an ISP which can give low pings with constant speeds all day long and i have stated him the ISP which can fulfill his needs, and out of nowhere u have started COPPER VS OPTIC FIBER WAR.
    I was just saying that latency of copper wires is better than optics. I agree that reliance till now is better if you can get access to it but in rural areas you can't get them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mickey View Post
    Omg yes... lol..

    so now whose side will i need to stand,, Rcom! come up with your views for this,..
    u know Mickey the problem is luke don't want to digest the fact that Fiber-Optics is ages ahead of copper,if copper is good then why Communication giants spending billion dollars on Fiber-Optics???? just to show off??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rcom View Post
    luke u r diverting the topic, thread starter wants an ISP which can give low pings with constant speeds all day long and i have stated him the ISP which can fulfill his needs, and out of nowhere u have started COPPER VS OPTIC FIBER WAR.


    i am the refree right now, you have to clear whats the best optic/cop

    i am the forum admin.. you may even report, no help..
    clear my doubts and you sleep relaxed tonight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rcom View Post
    u know Mickey the problem is luke don't want to digest the fact that Fiber-Optics is ages ahead of copper,if copper is good then why Communication giants spending billion dollars on Fiber-Optics???? just to show off??
    @rcom right :yes:

    @luke, ball is in rcom's favour now, try to defend your goal post.. or i have to shake hands with him,,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luke Skywalker View Post
    I was just saying that latency of copper wires is better than optics. I agree that reliance till now is better if you can get access to it but in rural areas you can't get them.
    if latency is good on Copper then why huge communication companies have invested billion of dollars in laying Fiber-Optic lines under sea?? main thing is copper is good in small range, it looses when distance is high.

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    @luke and rcom and also to whomesoever it may concern


    adult +18 no offence intended


    Fibre optics is modulation-demodulation..
    copper wires is amplifiers, signal strengthening, metal involved, so more experiences of data loss may occur,


    thats what i think..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luke Skywalker View Post
    I am repeating nowhere I have said that optic is worse than copper. Show that post of mine where I have said that copper is better than optics fibre in all respects.
    What did I said?

    You first have to specify for what use you intend to use put.
    For mass transfer of data copper can never be used.

    Which will you use bullet which might have faster speed or a cannon which might have slower speed for killing a single person ?

    Quote Originally Posted by mickey View Post
    @luke and rcom and also to whomesoever it may concern


    adult +18 no offence intended


    Fibre optics is modulation-demodulation..
    copper wires is amplifiers, signal strengthening, metal involved, so more experiences of data loss may occur,


    thats what i think..
    That I have also said.

    Quote Originally Posted by Luke Skywalker View Post
    That I have never said. Read what I said that latency is much better in copper wires not bandwidth ( how much you can download) & attenuation ( noise in signal).
    Last edited by Luke Skywalker; 4th September 2009 at 11:12 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

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    than whats for we are just fighting like Cal-tech PHDians
    and let the poor guy know which is the best product for gaming... lol we messed up the thread..
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    Quote Originally Posted by mickey View Post
    @luke and rcom and also to whomesoever it may concern


    adult +18 no offence intended


    Fibre optics is modulation-demodulation..
    copper wires is amplifiers, signal strengthening, metal involved, so more experiences of data loss may occur,


    thats what i think..
    yah that is the main reason for using Fiber-Optics there is no data loss in Fiber optic

    see this pic i pinged till 6000+replies on my connection not even a single packet is lost

    Attachment 5901

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rcom View Post
    yah that is the main reason for using Fiber-Optics there is no data loss in Fiber optic

    see this pic i pinged till 6000+replies on my connection not even a single packet is lost

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    I have already said that.

    Latency is different issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mickey View Post
    than whats for we are just fighting like Cal-tech PHDians
    and let the poor guy know which is the best product for gaming... lol we messed up the thread..
    i have told the thread starter which isp can fulfill his demands but out of nowhere luke bragged himself in and started this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mickey View Post
    than whats for we are just fighting like Cal-tech PHDians
    and let the poor guy know which is the best product for gaming... lol we messed up the thread..
    Reliance one of rcom if he can get or afford otherwise ADSL.

    ADSl is going to improve with time.
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    @mickey

    yet again he just doesn't want to stop he is always quoting my post just to start unnecessary discussion.

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    Now buddies plz.. ,stop this great Latency war of IBF.

    Truce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luke Skywalker View Post

    ADSl is going to improve with time.
    most of the isp's in North Korea and USA have dumped ADSL and now they are giving Fiber-To-Home connectivity.

    the END now XXXXXXXXX
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    i will tell him to go for Airtel cause of low costness..

    Quote Originally Posted by Rcom View Post
    most of the isp's in North Korea and USA have dumped ADSL and now they are giving Fiber-To-Home connectivity.

    the END now XXXXXXXXX
    red colored: i think its south korea..

    and about USA, was reading a blog some minutes back, and one writes
    "Due to recession, many common households are taking up Dial up connection back, to be connected with the internet because of low cost"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rcom View Post
    most of the isp's in North Korea and USA have dumped ADSL and now they are giving Fiber-To-Home connectivity.

    the END now XXXXXXXXX
    I was talking about India where quality of service is bad & cost higher.

    Wimax-m is the future. Just search about it.

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    in US 9% users get back to DIAL UP (out numbering total Mac users)

    While they were all the rage in the 90s, with so many broadband options available to so many people nowadays, it seems a bit archaic to still be dialing in to your ISP, listening to those eerie modem protocol negotiation whistles as your connection becomes established. Despite how dated it may seem, about 9% of internet users in the U.S. are getting online with dial-up, which is a sizable amount when you consider they outnumber Mac users.

    Source: Dial-up internet access still popular as recession hits : Obsessable Technology News


    Only 9% of Americans were still using dial-up in a study last year by the Pew Internet & American Life Project. Time Warner Inc.ís AOL, once the king of dial-up with almost 27 million U.S. subscribers at its peak, decided long ago to prop itself up instead on advertising revenue. Now AOL, whose Internet subscribers are still mainly dial-up customers, counts 6.9 million of them...

    But even if faster service is more useful, the higher monthly bills are drawing scrutiny these days. Of the people who told Pew they still have dial-up access, 35% said faster service is too expensive for them. (Nineteen percent said nothing would persuade them to upgrade.)



    Source: Recession could lengthen the twilight of dial-up | Pew Internet & American Life Project
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    Quote Originally Posted by mickey View Post
    i will tell him to go for Airtel cause of low costness..



    red colored: i think its south korea..

    and about USA, was reading a blog some minutes back, and one writes
    "Due to recession, many common households are taking up Dial up connection back, to be connected with the internet because of low cost"

    phew i made a typo in a hurry, not just internet connection American's now are buying small fuel efficient cars rather than fuel guzzling V8's and SUV's they buy earlier.

    Quote Originally Posted by Luke Skywalker View Post
    I was talking about India where quality of service is bad & cost higher.
    But Reliance(Metro Ethernet) and Airtel (ADSL) in India gives Good quality, on the other hand reliance uses expensive technology thus their plans cost more than Airtel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rcom View Post


    reliance uses expensive technology thus their plans cost more than Airtel.
    yes, Reliance built high speed optical fibre all across India, at the time when it was very expensive all over the world..

    but i think a common Indian, wont purchase something with this sympathy..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rcom View Post

    But Reliance(Metro Ethernet) and Airtel (ADSL) in India gives Good quality, on the other hand reliance uses expensive technology thus their plans cost more than Airtel.
    That is not correct. It still require much improvement on scale of 3 times to meet standard set.
    In case of PSU it requires in scale of 6 times.
    Also cost should be less by 10 times.

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    about Airtel:

    I've heard that airtel implements a "Fair usage policy" and throttles bandwidth if you use too much (not even sure how much); is this true ?

    If so, it's useless because with online gaming and occasional web browsing I end up using 4.5-5.5GB.

    Re: ADSL -
    I doubt it will improve. In particular BSNL will most likely never improve and use shitty routing. I heard they don't even have their own gateway but im not 100% sure about this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rsen View Post
    about Airtel:

    I've heard that airtel implements a "Fair usage policy" and throttles bandwidth if you use too much (not even sure how much); is this true ?

    If so, it's useless because with online gaming and occasional web browsing I end up using 4.5-5.5GB.

    Re: ADSL -
    I doubt it will improve. In particular BSNL will most likely never improve and use shitty routing. I heard they don't even have their own gateway but im not 100% sure about this.


    Yes its 100% true if u reach at certain amount of usage(defined by airtel on various plans) ur speed will be capped by 50% say u r on 1MbPS plan if FUP triggers u will get 512KbPS till next billing cycle!!!

    Expecting improvement from a GOVT ISP is like expecting from a pig to fly!!!! i.e it will never happen!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rcom View Post

    Expecting improvement in GOVT ADSL is like expecting from a pig to fly!!!! i.e it will never happen!!
    who told you pigs dont fly!!!??

    @Rsen, buddy these are the only option for you.. btw even if you get a good connection, you may require some better proxies(if on foreign networks) cause its really two slow..
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