Thread: Are we a bunch of fools??????

A news item in New York Times recently:
"By the end of 2012, South Korea intends to connect every home in the country to the Internet at one gigabit per second. That would be a tenfold increase from the already blazing national standard and more than 200 times as fast as the average household setup in the United States."
It means a movie of the size of 500 MB can be downloaded in less than 6 sec!!"

And this news item about us:

"India ranks 93rd in terms of broadband adoption globally with 3.74 per cent connections at speed over 2 Mbps and 55th for the adoption of narrowband adoption at speeds below 256 Kbps. In terms of broadband penetration, India had 0.0001 broadband IPs per capita. Meanwhile, on another parameter called attack traffic - a measure of rogue activity on the Internet, such as DNS attacks, bots, spam activity and hackers, India ranked 17th globally."

A friend from Saudi told that in less than thousand rupees, he gets a 20mbps unlimited connection.
Even a country like Pakistan that cannot be compared with India on any parameter has better unlimited broadband plans to offer!
Just wondering if our service providers, BSNL included, take the Internet users in the country to be a bunch of fools. Even if consider that we have huge population size, the actual internet penetration is pretty low as compared to other countries. Yet we end up shelling out more money for paltry plans. Our famed 3g services that effectivly offer less than 4mbps connection speeds are probably costilest in the world.
Yes, we are definitely being taken for a ride. The big companies are making moolah and government agencies are colluding with them. Colonial mindset to cash in on the gullibility of the people is very much evident here as well!!

Shuja

i am using bsnl -plan BBG Speed Combo 2799 @2799 rupessat kolkata.they said it will give me 8 Mbps.but i am getting only 6-7Mbps.

We live in a poor country crippled with corruption. It is a boon that we are getting at least this much. This is how things work in India.

I'm afraid we are indeed. You see, governments "usually" work for citizens, but not in our case. We are always at the last few steps of an escalator called development.

According to United States Federal Communications Commission (FCC) as of 2010, any data transmission below 4mbps cannot be termed as 'basic broadband'. All service providers in India, the famed 3g services included, claming to give the speed of 4mbps actually end up giving much less than that. In which case, they should not be allowed to name their services as 'broadband'. At least that will prevent the users from being fooled around. It's like somebody giving you the air ticket and at the last moment asking you to travel by train because he might have said aeroplane but actually meant train!!

Originally Posted by meetdilip

We live in a poor country crippled with corruption. It is a boon that we are getting at least this much. This is how things work in India.

O we were ruled by ministers like raja

india is a poor country
where we cant do nothing about this problem
ministers involved in 2g scams n stuff like that
doesnt seem that future is that bright

I believe that we are the main problem,
We are the people who choose the ministers and if they don't do their work properly then we just let them go away if not then the government does nothing to make sure that the crap does not happen again they would just replace the minster and wait for it to happen again,Our government does not learn from their mistakes at all,
When our government does not do something that is just common sense then probably we should do that,we should force the government to do what is good for us

When we talk about 3G we talk about speeds of less than 3 to 4mbps thats not 3G,3G means that you should get atleast 20mbps,You should get 3 to 4mbps speed when you are not in network coverage or if you are getting less that 30% of signal but when you get around 90% of signal and get a speed of 3mbps then its just pure fraud especially when you pay a fortune for 20GB

Broadband is a technology that is meant for "always stable" speed of more that 10mbps no server problems no slowdowns nothing at all always running 24x7
When you get a speed of less than 1mbps then whats the use of broadband?
Just provide internet through a technology that is 50 years old if you want to provide internet speeds of less that 10mbps

People say that India is developing,take out the top 20 cities of India which are the most developed now think again is India actually developing if you think that it is then I wonder that how much development would have been done by the government
I don't think that India means only Mumbai,Delhi,Bangalore or chennai I think India means the thousands of small towns and villages which had gone through a very small development process in the last 100 years!!!

Ever thought what kind of development could have brought by our government by providing value for money internet?
There are business which are entirely based no internet I think they can earn a hell lot more money by getting a good and stable internet connection
Excellent education could be provided to people who have a regular pc
And think about the massive development the people of small towns and villages will have when they can learn anything they want to

I see a lot of people who are taking fast against corruption my question to them is why just corruption why not each and every problem India has from bad internet service to farmers dying?

India does not want competition we watch movies that are only made in india we talk about services which are only available in India we don't compare things to US or any other fully developed country so we don't know what is the best available thing for our money

I am sure that after 50 years every country including Pakistan will be fully developed but we will we watching news as Finally Minsters agree to put a rubber coating in the live wires of the train in 5 cities of India:-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3t46Z36_K8

As of now I think it will be more cheaper and profitable for us to move to another country rather than paying huge bills
If India does not improve its impression in the coming 10 years then I think I would probably leave this God-dammed country and move to a country who's government has a sense of their responsibilities.

@shujashakir
Whatever you said is absolutely true but the main reason for what you have said above is that the US is developed & India is still developing.So,they cannot be compared, simple is that.

@pkm.sbp
I agree we are not developed as compared to US. My point is not that. My point is if we are not able to provide the Internet speeds that fit into acceptable broadband definition, why call it broadband. Better call it dial-up so that when you or I go for that connection, we won't be fooled at least.
I am angry about the fact that our service providers are calling it broadband and 3g but are actually giving internet speeds of dial-up connection.
Being poor is not bad, but being dishonest is!

US definition of rich cannot work here. Similar is the case with broadband.

It's not necessarily related with India poor or the government being "corrupt".

There are far poorer countries with better internet all over the world.

The problem is the demand for high bandwidth is very very small.

The reason is IT itself hasn't really changed the life of the common man - it's obviously out of the question in rural areas but it's true even in urban areas.

In most parts of the world the influence of internet in day-to-day lives is gigantic. Not having internet there seems to make the world come to a standstill. Obviously that's not the case here.

It's a mix of terrible government policies, lack of demand and a lack of awareness amongst the large majority of consumers.

Also the bureaucracy and the government has a tendency to stick with very bizarre telecom laws that keep bandwidth prices ridiculously high. The government sees charging bandwidth as a nice source of revenue and doesn't see the value of revenue brought with better internet-enabled services : but then again it can be argued that better internet won't really change anything here.

Seeing the pathetic progress India has made in internet connectivity relative to other similar countries, prospects are quite grim.

It's sad that we are stuck with technologies that are all but discarded or sidetracked in the west, yet tremendously marketed to the gullible consumer here -

DSL + wifi internet being touted as a primary source of connectivity
DTH television services

*instead* of cable and eventually fibre optics, the normal technology progression path in any relatively prosperous or rapidly developing nation.

When 99% of the users use internet exclusively to occasionally check emails and facebook (if at all), the need for high speed internet is basically non-existant.

The media hype/facade of 4g permeating indian society with people streaming cricket matches & filmi youtube music vids on cell phones has got to be the most hilarious joke I've seen in a long long time.

Leave internet, when will we have decent roads. I will stay away from net if I get decent roads. Promise

Dont think about what we dont have, speak about waht we have!!

I got a UL BSNL connection and they said it will give 2Mbps. I got a peakbandwidth of 1.89Mbps.

My cousin residing in the US (Texas) and i decided to play a MMORGP we started the download at almost the same time. I downloaded it sooner than he could, though, Fiesta server was in US.

India has improved a lot better in fields of telecommunications.

But i should ask you, do you really need a 1GbPs connection for your home.
You can play Counter Strike Source US or Russian servers smoothly with 6-8MbPs.

India has a far better network than China(in terms of internet democracy,standards,safety)
Ofcourse there is corruption to large extent.(lower than China and Russia)

Indian politicians and the PMs, CMs are not dynamic in decision making. This is the only thing that actually bothers.
We cant comment frankly (as we do now in India) in S/N Korea,China.
As far as USA. They have money!!! Only that!!! So they can do anything(they think so,in some cases)!!! But thier policies are rubbish!!!

Boast about your country!!!
Will you say to everyone around "im a fool i dont have this, but he has,im unlucky" or will you say to everyone "im corrupt".

Generally you wont let you down(even if have some negatives) when you speak to others.(If you do so, its not the way to live)
It the same case about your country. Never let your country Down!!!

HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY

Nice write up.

2 Mbps unlimited from BSNL ?

I think UL 9000 gives 2Mbps unlimited.Its too costly.

Originally Posted by meetdilip

Nice write up.

2 Mbps unlimited from BSNL ?

It is actually UL 750. Its actual bandwidth when i got the plan 1.5 years ago was 512 KbPs.
But abt 7 months ago. BSNL Madurai Circle promoted UL 750 bandwidth to 2Mbps(as they lost several customers due to bandwidth constraint)

"Trust" is the only thing that lack between Indians

I was not making fun of you. Thought you made some mistake.

Originally Posted by shujashakir

A news item in New York Times recently:


Even a country like Pakistan that cannot be compared with India on any parameter has better unlimited broadband plans to offer!


Shuja

Please do no compare my country with Pakistan...

they all pay income tax there. here only 5-10% are paying the income tax as much the govt wants and rest are enjoying the spirit of "self-implied unemployment". its true God rules the country called India and it does. really.

Originally Posted by meetdilip

I was not making fun of you. Thought you made some mistake.

No it was just a clarification.Dont mistake
Sorry, if i hurt u

No problem .......

Originally Posted by mickey

Please do no compare my country with Pakistan...

they all pay income tax there. here only 5-10% are paying the income tax as much the govt wants and rest are enjoying the spirit of "self-implied unemployment". its true God rules the country called India and it does. really.

you are seriously misinformed my friend.pakistan is perhaps the only country in the world where families whose women carry handbag of 3 lakhs(lady foreign minister who just visited)don't pay tax as per rules.% of tax collection in GDP of pakistan is probably the lowest in the world.rich don't have to pay taxes & poor can't pay anyway.

Originally Posted by whitestar_999

you are seriously misinformed my friend.pakistan is perhaps the only country in the world where families whose women carry handbag of 3 lakhs(lady foreign minister who just visited)don't pay tax as per rules.% of tax collection in GDP of pakistan is probably the lowest in the world.rich don't have to pay taxes & poor can't pay anyway.

who can differentiate between rich and poor there?

Originally Posted by whitestar_999

.% of tax collection in GDP of pakistan is probably the lowest in the world.

well true... i should have thought first before writing..

when amrikka is paying all their taxes why they dare do it..

Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?

because even God likes a villain in the movie..

Originally Posted by whitestar_999

you are seriously misinformed my friend.pakistan is perhaps the only country in the world where families whose women carry handbag of 3 lakhs(lady foreign minister who just visited)don't pay tax as per rules.% of tax collection in GDP of pakistan is probably the lowest in the world.rich don't have to pay taxes & poor can't pay anyway.

pakistan is not the only place i have seen people in India roaming in bmws and having wealth in multiples of crores and still stating their annual income less than 60000rs even their servants earn more than that

Originally Posted by vinit

pakistan is not the only place i have seen people in India roaming in bmws and having wealth in multiples of crores and still stating their annual income less than 60000rs even their servants earn more than that

can you send me a pm containing names of such people whom you saw 60,000/- annual income and running bmw....

even Manish Tewari cannot save them.