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Kuzba

I need to find out what Someone would have to do to supply internet. I mean like... lets say money is not a problem. how would someone start a company such as bsnl?

is it possible to connect directly to the internet backbone in india using a fibre optic cable?

who would you need to contact about this?
Lets say i wanted to provide an internet service to around 50,000 people in india.

how would i go about obtaining a connection?

also is satellite an option?

thankyou for any advice.

sb21pro

50,000 in india??? in a state may be , but in india...
hell no boy , ur business will go down like titanic

and abut the delivery of net, there are high spd wl hardwares are avilable but are very expensive
definately no a individuals choice, bay be good for a companies

so gud luck

Kuzba

i mean in india. not across india.
im not looking to actually start my own company.

but lets say there was a city that had 50,000 people in it.
you say its expensive? that is no problem.
price doesnt matter. i just need to know how its done.
how would i find out moer about it?

is it possible to buy any connection through say BSNL that would support that many people? i cant see that happening.
so its it possible to directly connect to the backbone or what? do i have to go through a middle man?

sb21pro

i mean expncive for customers , i think u can get a direct dsl from some big isp
go to surfworm.com/isp

Kuzba

ok ill check out that website.

can you please explain what a direct dsl connection is and how it works?
what kinda bandwidth do you get with it? like whats the max?

would i get it from say... bsnl or something? and would that require laying down a fibre optic cable?

sb21pro

yup adsl/dsl the one we use is digital subscriber line
dsl is dedicated server line,
ie no one between isp server( primary) to ur server
and it takes fiber i think
i dont know abt the speed
but its ovious it will be far away from our plans

whitestar_999

forget about it friend.you have to obtain an ISP license which itself will cost at least crores.then you will have to buy bandwidth from major ISP's like bsnl which will then again cost crores.

superprash2003

he says money is not a problem

Kuzba

yes, crores is affordable. this isnt a home internet connection haha.

so how would i go about starting it? who would i contact?

player

Now this is a good discussion

Alright let's get to the point what whitestar said is so true you need crores of rupees to get a License and Bandwidth but as you have already mentioned money is not a problem so who cares and yes when it comes to sharing this could/can be possible!!

First you have to get by laws and all that **** and you have to buy the Bandwidth from the major players who are bringing the main pipe to India like BSNL, TATA, Reliance etc

Secondly you have to get an ISP License which is distributed in two zones one which covers the territorial jurisdiction and the other zone is/are all the states of India. you can check from the link below for more information on how to get a license

INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDERS ASSOCIATION OF INDIA

I would like to add one thing more

nothing is IMPOSSIBLE!!

smoothvibes

Money is not a problem coz want to make a dream project in dreams....

getting ISP License in India is not a game friends... it needs lot of erroft and a stable n strong plan... may be money is not a problem but how about mind and plan... do you guys think a man who want to start with ISP and planing to invest crores will discuss this matter on open forum.... and will carry a small piece of info...

nice joke haan... lolz..

player

The man who is desperate with his dreams will always succeed!! (just like Albert Einstein who succeeded with his dreams and ended up winning a nobel prize!)

and people like you will never succeed when you already gave up without giving it a try!! and discouraging people instead of helping and try to giving as much information as you can is simply not FAIR!!

Admin

There are a number of ways you can resell bandwidth and the cheapest last mile solution right now is Wimax which will work out a lot cheaper then cable or adsl solutions.
You can buy bandwidth from VSNL, Reliance, Bsnl, Mtnl or Airtel but they will charge you for laying the cables from end to end and from your point you can then resell it using wimax technology or even cable if you think its feasable and you have some kind if infra in place already.

I am not too sure what you are trying to do so I will leave the liscencing info for now and wait till you provide some more info on what exactly are you trying to achieve.


Thanks

Kuzba

Category A: This covers the territorial jurisdiction of the Union of India except specified areas that may be notified to be excluded from time to time.

Category B: West Bengal, Andhra Pradesh, Assam, Bihar, Gujarat, Haryana, Himachal Pradesh, Jammu & Kashmir, Karnataka, Kerala, Madhya Pradesh, Maharashtra, North East, Orissa, Punjab, Rajasthan, Tamil Nadu, Uttar Pradesh-West, Uttar Pradesh-East, Chennai, Delhi, Kolkata, Mumbai.

what exactly would be covered by category A?

the place is in category B but im just wondering.

B seems to be much cheaper to get the license haha.

thankyou very much for that information. gave me a much better idea


this isnt only me doing this... i am just doing some research for my father who will then hire people and so on...
this isnt just an isp company. its part of a project to build an entire city, and that city will need internet..

whitestar_999

@player,i think you misunderstood @smoothvibes statement.science & doing business are not same thing.you only need your brain for science but you will need much more than that for doing business.

well your intentions may be genuine kuzba but your approach definitely is not professional.i don't know much about business but this much i know.if a person is planning to spend crores of rupees he is definitely not going to ask for advice/suggestions on a forum & that too on a discussion forum which is not even a business forum.this is a very unprofessional approach which can not be expected from anyone seriously planning to invest crores.you said you are doing research for your father which involves building an entire city which will need internet but as far as i know even infrastructure majors like DLF don't provide net services on their own like you are planning to do & there must be very good reasons for that because DLF doesn't seems to have any money problems too.it looks very simple on paper but in reality it is very difficult to start an ISP just to provide services to an entire city because it is not commercially viable & that's why no reality/infrastructure major does this on their own.they rely on big ISP's to provide connectivity to their cities/infrastructures.

Admin

In that case you dont need an ISP liscence.. all you need to do is get intouch with airtel or reliance and ask them how much would they pay you if you allow them to lay their cables in your infrastructure or you can have a revenue sharing agreement with them on a per connection basis where you wont have to do anything atall and still get paid every month on the basis of how many connections go through your infra structure.

You can also get a one time payment for each connection.

In case you want your own brand inside your township or city whatever you prefer to call it then just get intouch with one of the isp's with the requirements and they will give you an estimate based on the number of lines.

If you have a significant number of perspective customers then airtel might actually rent out space from you to set up a local exchange as well..

So there are a number of possibilities.

Kuzba

the reason i am asking on a forum is that im not actually planning the whole thing here. i am merely writing up a small report on the different ways of doing things...
so far i am getting all the help i need.

its not like im going to now go and buy a license. when the time comes, professionals will be hired to setup and oversee the whole thing.

for now im just finding out the different ways of going about it.

Kuzba

ok so i have been looking at a satellite connection for now until a fibre optic solution can be planned.
BSNL Vsat seems kinda expensive but that doesnt matter. 155mbps is available which should be enough for now.

what i would like to know is how this setup works and what needs to be installed?

also next to each price is a "distance in kilometres" bit.
the price inscreases as that goes up.

what is the distance in kilometres measuring?

how can i calculate what distance i would be looking at and therefore how much id be paying?

can someone please explain this to me? thankyou

whitestar_999

BSNL VSAT won't give you 155mbps or for that matter even 10mbps.max speed is 2mbps.
Satellite internet and broadband two-way satellite service providers in Asia: Afghanistan to India, China, Australia and Pacific
what you are talking about is dedicated optical fibre leased line whose cost depends upon the length of such cable which in turn depends upon how far are you from nearest BSNL access point for such cables.

Kuzba

haha i thought i was in the vsat section

bsnl.co.in/service/leased_tariff.htm

thats where i was looking.
anyway i would be wanting a connection that would be around 400 miles away from ahmedabad.
is that possible?