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    have you tried using the usb cable??

    does it have a usb cable??

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    and now after trying all three pci slots, when i inserted it in the first slot that i had installed it again comes up in the device manager...!

    i was just going to call the shopkeeper.!... maybe the card was loose. or became misaligned after inserting the ir cable?

    :lol:...i had thought i shorted something out on the damned thing

    remote working great, skips sometimes but working. listenin to radio, and it sounds as a normal music system would sound :thumbup: one strange thing is that u can select radio only through the remote, as well as the source settings.
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    :clap:

    When will you post the captured video ?? I'm eagerly waiting for it

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    i think tomorro, its probably gonna be the linea ad .. got the splitter but have to find some more stuff from the market to get the thing done.

    harry if u wud like to buy it, here is the listing eBay India: PIXELVIEW PCI TV TUNER CARD INTERNAL PLAYTV PRO3 @4%VAT (item 370148809195 end time 28-Jan-2009 16:54:53 IST)

    the seller is just great.

    and its windows vista compatible.

    the recorded fm has some treble lost, but i'm not looking forward to record songs .

    maybe its some setting issue.
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    how much for the tv tuner?
    where did u get it?

    and above all,r u happy with the quality?

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    about the quality, i have yet to see the tv... the remote looks good tho misses sometimes and the buttons are kinda soft (i have been spoilt by sony in this regard) but get the job done very well, the card itself looks good, fm quality is very good.

    got it for 1100bucks, splitter 100bucks... got it from ebay from a great seller at nehru place... m happy for now.

    the remote's range is very good, and picks up signals from a lot left or right of it...

    also the cable mess has multiplied behind the cpu 3times! and that too when i have added cable tv!
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    the cable mess... right!! the worst thing about deskops...
    if i clean the back of my desktop table, there will be enough dirt to make a desert..so i just leave it there.

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    talkin bout dust, i cleaned the inside of my cpu before installing the card, the vacuum cleaner's filter had a ~1cm thick coat of dust when i finished :lol:!


    Update
    ok some more good news, i had noticed that the card had a stereo audio connector on the pcb itself, much like the power connector's found on graphics cards. thankfully i had a stereo cable linking my dvd writer to the motherboard, i took it out from the drive (since i rarely listen to audio through that line) and plugged it on the card.

    switchd on the pvr app, selected internal streaming for audio and voila, the rear cable connecting the audio out and line in is gone! and the treble loss after recording (which i reported earlier) is also gone!! recording fm in perfect quality now and somewhat less of clutter behind :thumbup:

    i cudnt resist posting this fact, the remote works at whatever angle (horizontal as well as vertical) you point it anywhere in my room! :w00t:

    update
    ok found u can change the source from mouse too.. but also found that the system is not able to record without the line-in being plugged in, i.e. i will have to disable internal streaming too, and the treble loss was probably due to the encoding of the audio file.

    update

    ok so i did not get the time to buy some plugs for the splitter and the end that goes into the card, but i just hooked it up to the card and scanned... the quality is very high, recording here Video rec

    u will see quite a bit of disturbance, but remember its a temporary setup. its of star cricket, one of the channels received at better quality, ironically i hate cricket..

    timeshifting is working like a charm on windvr, not tested on the software supplied though, it will probably use too much cpu on the bundled sw.
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    Just saw ur vid. Quality is good, but y is it stretched vertically ??

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    that was an aspect ratio issue... can easily change to anything... scanning with the bundled sw with much better results ...

    i'm getting better reception on this sw than the tv itself!

    hey i watchd the recording but i don't see it stretched? its normal 4:3.
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    nop not normal 4 me.

    Its like 2inch width and full screen height.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarryKnight View Post
    talkin bout dust, i cleaned the inside of my cpu before installing the card, the vacuum cleaner's filter had a ~1cm thick coat of dust when i finished :lol:!

    Is it safe to clean inside of the cabinet with a vacuum cleaner, there are delicate parts on the motherboard, isn't there any chance of damage to the IC's or any electronic hazard??

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    @danny not if u take care not to touch any component. i clean without a brush, hovering 1 cm above the board.

    so i finally installed the cable after 6 long hours of working on it ... the reception is very good, some channels even look better than on the telly. but there's just one problem thats bugging me, there's interference with the cable and whenever i plug it in, i get a low hum from my computer's speakers..
    i made sure to keep the cable away from all electrical appliaces but i thing the problem is coming from the pole itself... damnit.

    found what the problem is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_loop_(electricity), How to Eliminate Hum or Buzz



    i found one more thing, that the humming is being caused by the shield mesh inside the coaxial. i will try to disconnect it from the cable plug, hopefully that will solve the problem.

    i was wrong, disconnecting the shield from the plug took away most of the signal instead of the hum :lol:...
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    Quote Originally Posted by danny86 View Post
    Is it safe to clean inside of the cabinet with a vacuum cleaner, there are delicate parts on the motherboard, isn't there any chance of damage to the IC's or any electronic hazard??
    there are special vacuum cleaners for cleaning computers.they are very small and can be safely used for cleaning the cabinets.though i have only used them to clean the keyboard,i think they cn be used to clean the inside of the cabinet as well.

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    Pinnacle is best i m using it form last 2 years.
    i bought origianle Pinnacle in 2700 b4 2 years. now its coms around 1850.

    Pinnacle solws multy ratio. which u whant.
    watch n record live tv
    scheduled recording
    infrared remot
    FM and internet radio.
    if ur motherboard hav 5.1 u can attach ur 5.1 in Mboard.
    or Pinnacle hav port for 5.1
    Pinnacle coms with HD oudio drivers.
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    the australian open final is truly making the card worthwhile!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by StarryKnight View Post
    ok so i did not get the time to buy some plugs for the splitter and the end that goes into the card, but i just hooked it up to the card and scanned... the quality is very high, recording here Video rec
    Thanks for the video...the video quality is not that good, is it only because poor cable signal ??
    Look at the screenshots below, will I be able to achieve this much clarity if I use DTH instead of local cable ??

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    These videos are recorded using Pinnacle TV Tuner card

    Quote Originally Posted by rajan1311 View Post
    nop not normal 4 me.

    Its like 2inch width and full screen height.
    Video is in perfect 4:3 aspect ratio, there may be some settings issue with the player, try different player...

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    yaa there is additional option of clarity in Pinnacle TV Tuner card.
    the only issue is installation.
    u must intlall drivers CD b4 instaling card.
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    oh yeah sure u wud get this quality with dth, the cable quality just sucks here. but i am now getting the channels like on the tv, the quality is at par with it now.
    that was money well spent and saved. .. in the end its ur choice.

    just discovered it can schedule record even when the computer is in standby! lovely feature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StarryKnight View Post
    oh yeah sure u wud get this quality with dth, the cable quality just sucks here. but i am now getting the channels like on the tv, the quality is at par with it now.
    that was money well spent and saved. .. in the end its ur choice.

    just discovered it can schedule record even when the computer is in standby! lovely feature.
    Sorry, didn't read 8pages.

    can you tell which card you brought and for how much?

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    ^^^ hehe, i bought pixelview playtv pro3, based on philips saa7130 chipset, 1100bucks off ebay. fully compatible with vista and xp sp2.

    u might get it cheaper if u actually go to the market to buy it... i'm very lazy in this regard, but i've got too less time on my hands .

    @H@rry i will connect my dvd player to the card and see whats the quality like tomorrow, it will be the closest to a dth service.

    k so i dint wait for tomoro since i myself wanted to see how it wud work.

    see for urself.







    must say the color reproduction is just awesome... the videos are the same quality as they play on the tv
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    ^^
    :clap: :14: :clap: Great quality unk:

    I think PixelView is pretty good, will buy one ASAP. Thankyou for helping

    Now I need some tech help, what are the hardware requirements I mean which slots(for everything audio+video) do I need & how to check if I have the one needed...What other things do I need to buy with this card, like u were mentioning splitter & cable.

    One more thing I want to know, does this card ( or the pinnacle one) support Realtime editing ( or whatever it's called), means I replace channel logo or display some text on the video while recording, so that there is no need to use any video editing tool later ?

    PS : The screenshots you posted are not that sharp, is there any option to make video more sharp ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarryKnight View Post
    after downloading please tell me is the site requiring u to sign in to windows live or not.
    The video can be downloaded without joining/signing in. But inorder to enter comments, we need to be signed in.

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    actually the sharpness is a direct result of the low resolution of a dvd in comparison to a computer monitor.

    u need an empty pci slot, a 2 way bnc splitter for the cable (for no signal loss, not if u use dth). a good processor, minimum 2ghz p4. dual core will be much better.... nothing else, a cable plug that goes into the tv hehe.

    no that real time thingy is not available...


    Quote Originally Posted by cool_techie_tvm View Post
    The video can be downloaded without joining/signing in. But inorder to enter comments, we need to be signed in.
    thanks for the info cool!

    no other cables, except the coaxial tv cable of course, are needed, everything supplied.
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    I use pinnacle and I get a very high quality TV recording with it. I upload in youtube often and most people regard that my quality is one of the best amongst TV recording. Its just my advise but I think pinnacle is the best. I love the video quality of pinnacle TV card and I feel it is much better than other TV recording cards I have seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shahrukhbachan View Post
    I use pinnacle and I get a very high quality TV recording with it. I upload in youtube often and most people regard that my quality is one of the best amongst TV recording. Its just my advise but I think pinnacle is the best. I love the video quality of pinnacle TV card and I feel it is much better than other TV recording cards I have seen.
    thats very good ^^^, but i dont see how can people judge a video on the resolution that youtube plays them...

    and also don't judge this video's quality since my cable sux...
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    Quote Originally Posted by StarryKnight View Post
    thats very good ^^^, but i dont see how can people judge a video on the resolution that youtube plays them...

    and also don't judge this video's quality since my cable sux...
    I upload my videos recorded with my TV card to youtube. There are many others who do so. But my video quality is regarded the best by many.

    The original video quality is excellent on TV recording but I convert it with my video software so that the file sizes are smaller which helps in fast uploading. But even after I compress the video size and upload to youtube it gives a very high quality.

    The video quality in youtube can be made very easily. Anyways to judge the video quality and compare with other youtube videos in other channels, you can add &fmt=18 at the end of the youtube video url. It would give the same videos in high quality.

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    look at this same commercial, that i gave the download link of previously, uploaded to youtube. YouTube - Fiat Linea India TV Commercial High Quality, doesn't it look better than the original file?? this is because it is being converted from a higher resolution to a lower resolution...

    this adding of the &fmt=18 at the end of the url will not work for those videos whom the higher quality version is not available. it will depend on the source quality.

    furthermore, the quality of the video being recorded depends greatly on the source signal. in my case the quality of the cable is the worst i've ever seen. nearly all of the channels i watch come on the UHF frequency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StarryKnight View Post
    look at this same commercial, that i gave the download link of previously, uploaded to youtube. YouTube - Fiat Linea India TV Commercial High Quality, doesn't it look better than the original file?? this is because it is being converted from a higher resolution to a lower resolution...

    this adding of the &fmt=18 at the end of the url will not work for those videos whom the higher quality version is not available. it will depend on the source quality.

    furthermore, the quality of the video being recorded depends greatly on the source signal. in my case the quality of the cable is the worst i've ever seen. nearly all of the channels i watch come on the UHF frequency.
    My internet is almost down (especially the downloading speed) and so I cannot watch the video. You are right that it depends on the source quality. It also depends the bitrate quality you decide to keep when converting. Youtube also converts the videos to flash and it would also depend on how much bitrate they convert the video file from avi, wmv etc. to flash.

    Yes I understand that the quality of the cable has the most impact in the quality of the video. I have some channels with pathetic quality and so I do not record or upload from those channels. But overall the quality in which the cable is telecast is the same as I get in the output of the recording. So, I do not lose quality while recording.


    Adding &fmt=18 works on almost all videos irrespective of whether they are available in high quality or not. Only &fmt=6 and &fmt=22 are often dependent but &fmt=18 is not dependent on youtube. I have all my videos in normal quality in youtube but when I add &fmt=18 I can always see a significant improvement in video qualities on most occassions. Just check for all videos and you will see the difference. Of course if the youtube user has uploaded a video in pathetic quality you will hardly be able to make out the difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by H@rry View Post

    PS : The screenshots you posted are not that sharp, is there any option to make video more sharp ?
    yes actually the contrast was set a tad low... the reception has become sharper now... cheers.
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    sorry for bumping this thread, but i've got a solution to a problem so its not against the rules.

    Quote Originally Posted by StarryKnight View Post
    ..... but there's just one problem thats bugging me, there's interference with the cable and whenever i plug it in, i get a low hum from my computer's speakers..
    i made sure to keep the cable away from all electrical appliaces but i thing the problem is coming from the pole itself... damnit.

    found what the problem is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_loop_(electricity), How to Eliminate Hum or Buzz



    i found one more thing, that the humming is being caused by the shield mesh inside the coaxial. i will try to disconnect it from the cable plug, hopefully that will solve the problem.

    i was wrong, disconnecting the shield from the plug took away most of the signal instead of the hum :lol:...
    the humm, crackle and buzzing i reported above and was still having, it went away when i removed all my computer's power cords and power strip from the vecinity of the tv cable, moved all the cables to just ~30cm away from the cable tv and my speakers are back to normal.

    apparently there was some induction going on in the outer mesh and the centre cable itself by all those AC lines.

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    Default hello

    there are so many people here, I think ur problem has already been setted. haha!

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