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new gamer

hi friends,i am going to buy my first graphic card and my system specs are:

asus p5rd1-vm(with PCIe x16 slot),450 watt frontec psu,17'' monotor,P4-ht 3.06 ghz,2 gb ddr ram

i have selected HD4670 as it consumes lesser power(some says higher cards could blow my psu or mobo..........is this one ok?? )

,budget is around 4-5k.
can it be ok with Frontec psu,as i don't want to spend on new psu as this one i have bought 2 months ago..

so plz help me deciding

have anyone tried Hd4670 with 450 frontec psu ,give review

rajan1311

lol it will not Blow up ur PSU or mobo. The PC will just restart. An ATI 4670 512MB/1GB will be gr8 for ur system. Go ahead and buy it.

new gamer

thanks rajan

restarts when ?? if load is high......?

so for which one i should go 512mb/1 gb(what is price?) n which supplier palit or sapphire(heard this one is better)

also heard 1 gb is not worth for lower system specs,n' 1gb memory is not fully utilized ?(like mine)

but as games are demanding more ram ...so is 1gb version better than 512 mb

rajan1311

The PC will restart on peak/high load.
1 GB version costs a little(Rs500) more, so its not bad going for it.
Newer games will require more amount of video RAM, so y not get it.But yes, at the resolution u play at, its not that important.

Sapphire is a more premium brand. It does not mean that palit is bad or anything. Both cards, will be more or less same. So go for any.

PS: award me reps if u find me usefull

new gamer

restart is must or happens sometimes?? i have 17'' monitor so max resolution is 1024*768 or 1280*1024.......is some game runs fine on 800*600...i would also love that......

do u know current price of 512/i gb version?

i am new so don't know about reps u say...i will do that but don't know how to do it ...explain

rajan1311

games will run well at 1280*1024. Here are the links for the cards:
MSI ATI Radeon HD4670 R4670-2D1G 1GB DDR3 Graphics Card - R4670-2D1G

Sapphire ATI Radeon HD4670 11138-13-41R 512MB DDR3 Graphics Card -

Powercolor AX4670 1GBK3-P PCS HD4670 1GB DDR3 Graphics Card - AX4670

I will highly recommend that u go for the powercolor one. It is 1GB and also has non reference cooling.
Dont worry of the brand, i have a powercolor card too(i got a ATI4850). Its running fine for over an year now.

ajay000222

Yeah that's probably a good choice for you because anything higher would get bottlenecked by your cpu anyway

And a 450w psu should be fine for that graphics card. You shouldn't have any restarts or lock-ups.
And you should be able to play COD4 an 1280x1024 at medium with no AA I think.
Maybe even high but I'm not sure how much your cpu will hold you back

vicky_0986

hi i m new to this, i just wanna know how can i up grade my computer only thing i want to up grade is my motherboard and graphics card
my current config

Asus P5PE-VM series Motherboard (it does not hav an pci-e slot)
Intel(R) Pentium(R) D 2.80Ghz , 2.80Ghz (2 cpu)
Nvidia Geforce FX 5500
2 Gb of RAM

i wanna upgrade my computer coz i m not able to play games like far cry,ghost recoon...i hav an buget of 10k...

rajan1311

hey buddy,
The 2GB RAM u have is DDR i m guessing.
Assuming u do not want new RAM, i would suggest that u take my old motherboard, which is in decent condition. It has a PCI E slot and supports DDR memory. It supports ur Pentium D820 also.

For the card, i would strongly suggest that u w8 till september when DX11 cards will be out. ATI will release even performance and budget card for DX11.

My old mobo is an Intel D101GGc. I stay at bangalore, if u stay near, u can just pick it up.

Luke Skywalker

You have not mentioned your processor number but Pentium D do support many of the intel 945 series processor & its variant.

As for graphics cards , it depends upon your usage & how much you are willing to shell out.
Advice- don't go for ones having more Vram. Look what type of Vram it is ( ddr ddr2 , Gddr3 ,Gddr4 ,Gddr5) , its Memory clock rates in Hz, what type of shaders it supports ( pixel & vertical). What type of technology it supports (like DVMT).

rajan1311

Also, since u have only 2GB RAM, do not go for more than a 512MB GPU.


Since ur in no mood to change ur PSU, get an ATI4670 card.

Luke Skywalker

Since when did GPU's SI unit become gb. It is measured in Hz or Mhz or its derive unit.

rajan1311

What ?

Do u know something known as graphic memory ??? I was talkin about that.

Also, Higher MHz does not mean faster card for ur info.

I suggested a 512MB card bcos it will save him RAM. Did u know, when u game, ur graphic card memory is also copied on to ur RAM. Hence, if he goes for a 1GB card, he would only get 1GB of "free" system memory.

Also, DVMT is some really old technology. Also, no1 buys cards with DDR or DDR2 memory now. Cards with DDR4 are outdated(only some old ATI 1xxx/2xxx series cards got it).

GDDR5 is only on the ATI 4770(hard 2 find), ATI4870,ATI4890,ATI4870X2(all 3 well out of his range).

So, advice based on memory type makes not much sense. Its the GPU that has to be given top priority.
Also, his system is old, he will not have a 6 Pin PCIe power connector(on ur PSU). Hence that rules out most midrange and high end cards.
From Nvidia's side ur left with stuff like 9500GT,9400GT and frm ATI's Side u can get a ATI4650,4670,4350. Also, if u can find, get the Nvidia 9600GT "green edition". Make sure its green edition.

Best option would be to w8 till mid sept when DX11 cards will be introduced by ATI.

Luke Skywalker

You have written 512MB GPU. I know about that as a Pentium D with 3.6Ghz ( 800 Mhz bus) is not better than processor with 3Ghz ( 1300 Hz bus). I think you are mistaking Vram with it. I have written Gddr4.
What about SAPPHIRE HD 4670 GDDR4 from ATI. And this is one of the latest.
I know all that & Vram is not that important as other features like type of shaders.

We can't comment on whether his system is that old or not unless we know his processor number.

About DVMT. I have given it as example.

rajan1311

Try to get my point lol .Any pentium D with a 800Mhz FSB is old . I m guessin the number is Pentium D820. look at his mobo. Its very very old. So, its a safe guess that the full system is old.At its time, it must have been a good PC.

Also, the Sapphire 4670 with GDDR4 provides almost no/minimal performance boost when reference compared 2 a standard one with DDR3. U did not even mention the card in ur last post. Its good that u did now

That way, u can get an ATI4850 with DDR5 memory also, i was talking about reference cards and not non cards.

Seems like vicky is not gonna have a look at all this for a long time

PS: what do mean by types of shader ?? Do u mean shader technology (like SM4.0,4.1,etc ??)

Luke Skywalker

Yeah I agree with you & rep +.

PS: I just wanted to point out a error of your. Its show your maturity that you have not engaged in trolling because it is very difficult to accept our error. Also I did not see 800hz FSB.

Admin

Pentium D820 is 2.8Mhz not 3.6... I have got it in my box it was the latest one when I got this computer and see technology changes so fast these days... I spent a fortune on this machine back then.. was almost Rs90000 including a 17inch tft

Luke Skywalker

I have given that it as a example.
I have also written that 800hz has 2.8 Ghz.
Intel ships 3.6GHz Pentium D 960 with 800 Ghz also.

What I wanted to show was FSB is also important in GPU as in CPU by taking an example.

rajan1311

My first PC had a pentium 133Mhz processor, 6MB RAM,1GB HDD, 15inch CRT, cost my dad 80k. I played doom and dave all the time on it

vicky_0986

lot of things...its a bit confussing ne ways is ter any mobo that supports my current processer and will be abe to support the latest prosessor in future like core 2 duo or Core 2 Quad Q9400 ?

dose changing a mobo requires changing the cabinet ?
and how much wii be the cost ?

where do u see processor number ?