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    Hi guys,

    Most of us have received the mail at some point of our time claiming that we won big bucks, or a job in any reputed organizations. Most of the people behind this scam is Nigerians, apparently there are victims who had lost money.

    Two days back I was spammed, and I decided to get in the 'play'. The mails continied, eventually asking for money to be transferred to some back account, and I stopped further mails. The point is no matter what ever we try, they have their back. Is it possible that we can send some virus to those email ids like an attachement?

    Any ideas? Our TRAI is helpless in internet crimes, as far I know. . . Now with various VPNs and Torring, IP masking is a childs game!
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    The amount of people who actually fall for these scam emails is amazing, and majority of them even end up paying money to these people without even thinking that why they would need pay money and that too of a large amount.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikenPatel View Post
    The amount of people who actually fall for these scam emails is amazing, and majority of them even end up paying money to these people without even thinking that why they would need pay money and that too of a large amount.
    It is but 'a fool and his/her money are soon parted'. You either have to learn to be wise or get taken for every penny.

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    I do received Spam on my mail but I always ignore it. The fact that the mail goes to Spam makes me doubt of the assurance of the infomation stated on a particular mail. Although we can't send any viruses for those spammers we can do a legal action against them if we are willing to waste our time. I have read this transaction messaging between a spammer and the target victim in a social networking site. The Prospect Victim posted some of their conversation to let others be aware. Spammer send a message pretending to be a relative of the victim. The spammer asks money which prospect victim agreed on sending him. Spammer then send the information on how and where to send the money, unknowing the victim's coordination with the policeman. As the victim sends the money and since the Spammer send his information, which policeman knows the location, Spammer was caught. There's always a legal action for those who takes advantage on people's unawareness because not all are ignorant.

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    I use to get such mails every day which says "You won a lottery" or just asking for help to transfer huge sum of money to India. I just ignore those mails.

    But suppose if I am a new Internet user without having any knowledge of such scams, I would definitely become their prey and that is what is happening. When they send such mails to lakhs and lakhs of net users even if a small portion responds that is enough for big money for them. It is really pity that even literate people are becoming victims of such fraudsters.

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    Everyday, I also receive spam mails that I won a lottery and my number won a promo. I ignore these email because I know they are not legitimate, but I'm afraid other people don't think the same way and actually fall for these scams. Like Rubie said, we can only take legal actions against them. Sending them viruses will only take a lot of effort from our part, so I believe what we can only do is ignore them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenzenith View Post
    Like Rubie said, we can only take legal actions against them. Sending them viruses will only take a lot of effort from our part, so I believe what we can only do is ignore them.
    Exactly, and that is, if we have a lot of time to spare in doing it. Legal actions takes time also but we're sure that were doing the right thing. If those spammers are caught then we're helping other's who are unaware of the risk involved in spamming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubie View Post
    Exactly, and that is, if we have a lot of time to spare in doing it. Legal actions takes time also but we're sure that were doing the right thing. If those spammers are caught then we're helping other's who are unaware of the risk involved in spamming.
    Taking legal actions could be the best thing but we should also consider that it will cost a lot of money. I believe what little way we could do is put up warnings on our websites about these spam emails. In this way, people will be warned about the risks of it. It's quite sad though that people resort to this kind of tactic to scam other people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenzenith View Post
    Taking legal actions could be the best thing but we should also consider that it will cost a lot of money. I believe what little way we could do is put up warnings on our websites about these spam emails. In this way, people will be warned about the risks of it. It's quite sad though that people resort to this kind of tactic to scam other people.
    Yes, you are perfectly right about that and taking such legality only concerns to those who became a victim already of such dirty tactics. There is no other way that we can do but to warn and make them aware of the things spammers do. In that way they will know the possible effect to them if they got involved in spamming. I just can't imagine of some people fooled by spammers not thinking before trusting specially when money gets involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubie View Post
    Yes, you are perfectly right about that and taking such legality only concerns to those who became a victim already of such dirty tactics. There is no other way that we can do but to warn and make them aware of the things spammers do. In that way they will know the possible effect to them if they got involved in spamming. I just can't imagine of some people fooled by spammers not thinking before trusting specially when money gets involved.
    I am actually worried for people falling for this kind of scam. Their hard earned money will be gone too soon if they believe they have won such big money for a lottery and pay for it. Personally, I think local authorities should track down these people and let the public be aware that they should not fall into this kind of scam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenzenith View Post
    I am actually worried for people falling for this kind of scam. Their hard earned money will be gone too soon if they believe they have won such big money for a lottery and pay for it. Personally, I think local authorities should track down these people and let the public be aware that they should not fall into this kind of scam.
    Yes, awareness should start from the authorized persons but I doubt they will try to do such thing because there's a lot more problems that localities encountered much more important than cyber crimes, specifically with regards to spam awareness. They will just take actions if there comes a victim and that's the time they will do some work on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubie View Post
    Yes, awareness should start from the authorized persons but I doubt they will try to do such thing because there's a lot more problems that localities encountered much more important than cyber crimes, specifically with regards to spam awareness. They will just take actions if there comes a victim and that's the time they will do some work on it.
    Yes, you are right. What we could only do is ignore these spam emails, and let other people know that they should not fall into these scams. Every little ways would count, so let's try to disseminate helpful information to the public. I hope the people behind these spam emails will realize how bad and dirty their actions are, so they will stop this kind of tactic.

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    I think another thing we should do is whenever we come into contact with any phishing or such kind of sites, report it to the respective company/authority immediately. They will take steps to stop it from creating further damage to people. Yes, I know there are huge number of sites like this. But something is always better than nothing. I think if we can save at least one person from this trap, that would be better.

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    If someone has contacted you with specifics like bank account details, immediately hand over all correspondence to the Police. They would take care of the rest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by panchabhut View Post
    If someone has contacted you with specifics like bank account details, immediately hand over all correspondence to the Police. They would take care of the rest.
    Once I got a mail from a bank ID to share some details and there was a link. As I was not so experienced that time, I clicked on it and landed on the bank's website. But luckily before doing anything further I noticed that the site address starts with http instead of https. I became suspicious and reported this link back to the bank customer care. They confirmed that it was a phishing attempt and promised me that they will do the further needful .

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    Quote Originally Posted by webworld View Post
    Once I got a mail from a bank ID to share some details and there was a link. As I was not so experienced that time, I clicked on it and landed on the bank's website. But luckily before doing anything further I noticed that the site address starts with http instead of https. I became suspicious and reported this link back to the bank customer care. They confirmed that it was a phishing attempt and promised me that they will do the further needful .
    You're such a lucky guy to discover it earlier before having transaction with cyber criminals. Bank accounts are most targeted now by those spammers because online transactions these days are commonly used. Some banks go online and so transactions with them comes with less effort. Online banking is really a great help but because of that phishing schemes, bank account holders are in danger.

    It is important for the bank to let their customers know about this phishing scams. Luckily the bank where I have an account is responsible enough and put a reminded on their site about this scheme. And everytime I visit the site I read the notice and always become reminded.

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    As long as people are falling for them, then scams will always be there unfortunately.

    A lot of the times they will prey on the people that aren't clued up when it comes to the internet and email and people are often gullible and will fall for an official looking email without checking it out properly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pwarbi View Post
    As long as people are falling for them, then scams will always be there unfortunately.

    A lot of the times they will prey on the people that aren't clued up when it comes to the internet and email and people are often gullible and will fall for an official looking email without checking it out properly.
    You're definitely right, and as long as there's unawareness going on, cyber criminals will be doing it over and over again. Unfortunately, we can't do anything to fix the issue because we don't have an authority to do so. Self-awareness is the most important thing to do in this growing problem, or else you'll become a victim and there's no one to blame but you. Prevention is better than cure, I must say.

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    As the internet becomes even more popular then online awareness will always continue to grow aswell. People are learning what is real and what's fake, but the criminals behind the spam and and the scams are also getting cleverer and so I think it's a war that will continue into the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pwarbi View Post
    As the internet becomes even more popular then online awareness will always continue to grow aswell. People are learning what is real and what's fake, but the criminals behind the spam and and the scams are also getting cleverer and so I think it's a war that will continue into the future.
    Let's always look in the brighter side and reconsider the 'war' issues. Maybe in the future an innovative invention will break the 'legs' of those cyber criminals. I look forward to the invention of hacker tracking device. Everytime a malicious activity is done on, an alert will be sent to authorized persons like Cybercrime Police. Maybe a piece of chip is intalled in every hacker-prone device that will detect the hacker and locate its place. I don't think hackers will still exist if a genius will made this idea possible. Hopefully it is possible though.

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    some guys post here that they received emails like " you win a lottery, you win huge cash, you win some devices". i also got that type emails, msg on phone and someone time calls. all right i want to know from all of you, if you didnt participate in any game but your name is announced for trophy and without thinking anything you are ready for pick up the trophy, why??
    when someone received email that he win the lottery and give us their bank detail. why he didnt think when he didnt buy any lottery ticket then how he can win without playing. i dont think this is lack of knowledge, this is because we think that time “yaar i didnt loose anything (due to not buy anything) only we got money” so check it out. We awake when actually loose everything and find nothing

    Thanks WEBWORLD FOR SHARING THIS((But luckily before doing anything further I noticed that the site address starts with http instead of https.))
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubie View Post
    Let's always look in the brighter side and reconsider the 'war' issues. Maybe in the future an innovative invention will break the 'legs' of those cyber criminals. I look forward to the invention of hacker tracking device. Everytime a malicious activity is done on, an alert will be sent to authorized persons like Cybercrime Police. Maybe a piece of chip is intalled in every hacker-prone device that will detect the hacker and locate its place. I don't think hackers will still exist if a genius will made this idea possible. Hopefully it is possible though.
    I fully agree and I hope there is a day when the internet is safe to use. The trouble is though, the genius that figures that system out, will probably make more money by using that system to start hacking himself or he'll sell it to a less than scrupulous company that will use it for their own gains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pwarbi View Post
    I fully agree and I hope there is a day when the internet is safe to use. The trouble is though, the genius that figures that system out, will probably make more money by using that system to start hacking himself or he'll sell it to a less than scrupulous company that will use it for their own gains.
    Maybe that problem of yours will only be possible if the Government itself don't cooperate. Since this is a crime, the Authorities are the most responsible for Legal actions. Proper implementation of law with the aid of generating software that will capture the cyber criminals will be perfect. I know that not all hackers are bad, there are hackers specializes in system's security and protect a certain company's system from the bad hackers. While, undeniably there are those who have malicious intentions and those are the bad one's. But good hackers only protect those company who pays them, so there are some systems or particularly websites or software that are maliciously manipulated by bad hackers. And the common victim of such malicious cyber crimes are the sytem users. So how can "we", system users wil be protected from those cyber criminals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pwarbi View Post
    I fully agree and I hope there is a day when the internet is safe to use. The trouble is though, the genius that figures that system out, will probably make more money by using that system to start hacking himself or he'll sell it to a less than scrupulous company that will use it for their own gains.
    It is really good to see that you are optimistic about that. But I am a little bit pessimistic about the future of Internet. I think it is going to worsen in days to come.

    Have you noticed that nowadays as soon as anybody introduce a new software or application, it will be followed by a news on its vulnerability/hacking attempt. Hackers are well informed these days. A majority of them do this for money and only a fraction of them is doing it as a passion. But yes, we will witness coming up of more legal forces on cyber crimes as it grows beyond a limit.

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    Just last night, I have heard local news here in our place. Another online money making scheme attacked some of my fellow countrymen. Admit it or not, it terms of money matters, a lot of people are tempted. And because of person's weakness in terms of earning money the possibility of abusive scheme victimizes an innocent one.

    Sad to say, as we talk it over and over again, unawareness is the main reason why there's victim on such tactics. Internet is worldwidely used by millions or billions of people and I think most of them are unaware of online threats. I must say, I don't have the ability to avoid each of that million people from the threat because its impossible, but I sympathize for their innocence.

    If this cases happens, at the end of the day, where does those victims go? For sure to the police station, to report the crime and expect some legal actions. If the Authorities can seize the cyber criminal, then it's good, but if not, sorry for the loss.

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    @Rubie
    If the Authorities can seize the cyber criminal, then it's good, but if not, sorry for the loss.

    @pwarbi
    I fully agree and I hope there is a day when the internet is safe to use. The trouble is though, the genius that figures that system out, will probably make more money by using that system to start hacking himself or he'll sell it to a less than scrupulous company that will use it for their own gains.

    @webworld
    It is really good to see that you are optimistic about that. But I am a little bit pessimistic about the future of Internet. I think it is going to worsen in days to come.


    I didn’t agree with your statement, no it is not going worsen in future. Because if you put fullstop on cyber criminals and corrupt software makers, we loose the way of success. The internet will not grow up and after some year internet will start dead slowly. Everything will be disturbed due to attachment with net.
    Suppose with some magic cyber criminals and every corrupt software will be deleted then what will happen ? We didn’t need any type of antivrus, no helping forums, no need any type of security. If no one need then why someone make antivirus? Companies remove their engeinners from jobs. Cyber criminals and software developers are the beauty of internet. Last year or may be some more earlier during congress government, government reduced the characters of the text msg on mobile from unlimited to 145 characters. But now see what happen! Technology took one step ahead. American make whatapp, Chinese make wechat and now India make jio chat. we can send long text msg, voice msg , picture msg and also can call more easily than before.
    Has someone try jio chat? Jio chat is available for android only not for win phones. On jio chat we can send word, excel and pdf files, we can 50mb video, no fee like whatapp its totally free, we can add 499 people in group while 50 in whatapp.

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    I don't get your point @rana ranjit. So, your saying Cyber Criminals is a beauty of internet? In what way? I must agree Computer Developer are helpful to internet world, but not Cyber Crminals. In case Cyber Criminals doesn't exist, then the Cyber world would probably be "beautiful".

    I would just like to clarify that not all Hackers are considered to be Cyber Criminals. Well, obviously Cyber Criminal are those people doing malicious crime over the net. While hacker, although there are those that can be considered as Cyber Criminals because some hackers also do malicious threat using the internet, but there are hackers specializing on the protection of a specific system and they are paid to fight against bad hackers.

    I think your talking about the good hackers, and because you knew that hackers are good and accidentally referring it as Cyber Criminal, then I'll get your point.

    Just please explain how Cyber Criminal became useful or beauty of internet?

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    @rana ranjit - we already have another India-made mssngr called 'hike'. you may've heard the name. very good interface and nice-sounding notification sounds, good themes, sharing of docs n vid/audio upto 100 mb, updates on various stuff, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rana ranjit View Post
    Because if you put fullstop on cyber criminals and corrupt software makers, we loose the way of success. The internet will not grow up and after some year internet will start dead slowly. Everything will be disturbed due to attachment with net.
    Has someone try jio chat? Jio chat is available for android only not for win phones. On jio chat we can send word, excel and pdf files, we can 50mb video, no fee like whatapp its totally free, we can add 499 people in group while 50 in whatapp.
    To be frank I could not understand what you are trying to say, sorry for that. If you are saying that we need more cyber criminals for the growth of Internet, I beg to differ on that. It is just like encouraging more terrorists so that we can have more anti-terrorist squads and more discrete weapon industries. Cyber crime is evil and it has to be stopped at any cost. What I was trying to say is that it is not easy so I am not so optimistic that it will be over soon. Hackers have deep roots in world wide web.

    I was not aware of Jio Chat. Thanks for updating my knowledge on that.
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    Hacking isn't a new idea, it's been around probably since the internet began.

    When the very first bank in the world introduced online banking for the first time, they spent years developing security measures to make it safe. People needed to be convinced it was safe to use and slowly people began to log on and use it.

    Within hours of the site going live it got shut down as it had been taken offline by hackers and customer account information was at risk, and that was when online banking first started years ago.

    As security gets better, so do the hackers and if the problem stays the same or gets worse, one thing I can't see is that it will get any better.

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    It was really nice to hear about the first online bank hacking and it still continues. Even big corporate like Google and Microsoft are afraid of hackers. Most them have bug bounty programs whereby they reward people who find any loopholes in the system. In a way they are encouraging the hackers to let them know the vulnerability. I think it is a good strategy to get rid of the issue and at the the same time it is an encouragement the hackers.

    So, when a hacker find a vulnerability in a well known site he can even sell it to somebody else (may be a competitor) for a higher price. That is quite possible. But the rewards in bug bounty programs are really tempting. May the hackers get attracted to those huge money being offered.

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    Since it is first time to conduct online banking, that's why they're not perfectly designed yet. But at least they detected the problems earlier and do some action to protect user's from hacker threat. And as time goes on, up until now we can see that online banking improves, typically protected from threat. I just wish nothing will gone wrong because millions of bank account holders will be affected at this moment and its horrifying to know the fact that your bank will be attacked by a cyber criminals.

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    In India RBI has responded to this threat and is making OTP based approval of transactions mandatory. Which means in addition to bank credentials, mobile phone access would also be required for any transaction.
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    They can have as many verification systems as they want though but if an individual or group want to gain access to a system they will do.

    Having a mobile device in place as part of the verification system just means aswell as your account details, they'll also have your phone number now as well!

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    I tried signing up the email of a spammer to a dating website for Senior citizens before. I don't think it will affect them though I didn't do it again. It is better to mark their message as spam and report them. That is the best revenge against them.

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