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    I was wondering how many members would be interested in writing tutorials for the different modems and routers that are used in India by different ISPs for the benefit of new broadband users who come looking for information on this forum. We can have a set prize money as per the size of the tutorial and then could have something like top 10 prizes for the best written tutorials may be.
    I would welcome suggestions and also it would be nice to know how many members would like to participate.

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    Yes. I can write tutorial on my 2 modems BSNL and Asianet Cable Modem.

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    its lame to write settings for diff modems and routers cause settings r the same for each network. with very little brain, anyone can figure out. instead u can make a post with every settings of each network. then again, its already there
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    As mentioned above, the settings are basically ISP dependent and each customer will be given their login ID which they NEVER keep safe and later crib. (Basic Rule: Keep All ISP documents/bills safe as they will come in handy later on down the road!) Also, the basic settings of the routers are going to be the same, only VCI/VPI numbers change, but the thing is first and foremost the customers forget to ask their respective ISP to give them their User ID, ISP DNS Settings(later on can use Open/Google/Comodo/whatever), and Port Forwarding settings.

    Neither are they educated by the ISP or technician what the basic settings are and how to re-do the settings in case the modem needs to be reset when a flush DNS fails to function. Also customers should be taught how to change the password for the router(instead of default "admin/admin") and also for setting up their Wireless Network with Hidden SSID and MAC Filtering(Allow/Deny). Setting number of devices and also setting an IP range limit for tuning things down to be more precise.

    It also could be a good habit to learn to switch off Wi-Fi(or Modem itself) when not in use. Some modems have a physical button to turn on/turn off wifi(and modem itself has power switch), or else the slightly more time consuming affair of Turning on/off Wi-Fi via the modem login page.

    Depending on additional features of modems, some come with the facility of adding guest SSIDs and having firewall settings onboard. I know it is a bit intriguing at first to anyone, so it would be helpful if geeks could come up with the additional settings tutorials and a basic explanation as to what they are used for and if they work. Also if someone could explain the purpose of Mac ID Spoofing found on Beetel 450TC modem and if it is beneficial would help.

    My understanding(or lack of it based on what I read) is that in case a router has to have a specific device id for the billing settings of an ISP and since that modem is konked or something, there are issues in connceting due to different router ID, the MAC id of the dead router can be entered into this router to continue the service, but I doubt this has anything to do with Indian ISPs in general. For me, I would hope that if by choosing a spoofed MAC on the modem it enables the exact location of the person to be a bit more anonymous and also any hacking by outside parties of the modem to be a bit more difficult because you will not be accessing the actual device id but a dummy one so cannot get through. And given the new CMS bull$#!t this might be a boon too. Your thoughts?

    More importantly people have to learn to identify difference between modem / modem+router / router. Basically, modem will have the RJ11-port(phone line/dsl line size port) and used to access the ISP settings. Router will have only RJ45 ports(ethernet port) to be used as firewall or switch to your different devices. Modem+router will have both the RJ11 port and RJ45 ports for DSL and multiple device connection. Please note some modem routers have a dual function single port that supports LAN/WAN usually the first or LAN1 port for bridge routing or using as repeater.(DSL 2750U, etc). Hope this helps someone. Cheers!
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    *Also if someone could explain the purpose of Mac ID Spoofing found on Beetel 450TC modem and if it is beneficial would help.*
    why would someone enable it. its called MAC cloning. it screws the arp table more than anything else. disable it at once if its enabled. MAC spoofing if on means suspiscious activity is on.
    why would an ISP enable it. i am sorry i dont have beetel firmware anymore, because i got openwrt flushed on a beetel 450 tc1. if you can dump the old firmware i can revert back and play with the firmware and help you with it.
    all i know its mips based bcm6338 which is a cool mips CPU from broadcom but thanks to their "jewel in crown" attitude towards their bcm63XX chipset they have voided all openwrt guys from using the adsl feature. sip solutions are trying a back channel clean room reverse engineering process for it. almost 90% work is done. only 10% is remaining. of that? we have a code drop from netgear, they accidentally code dropped for bcm63xx, which means reverse engineering would speed up. stay tuned.
    anyway moral is shut the door for mac spoofing. it rapes the ARP table. your packets will fly haywire.
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    p.s. admin try the alternative. and try to keep one single device and ask users for its complete configuration and also if possible alternate configuration and firmware too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadhu_s60 View Post
    its lame to write settings for diff modems and routers cause settings r the same for each network. with very little brain, anyone can figure out. instead u can make a post with every settings of each network. then again, its already there
    Agreed Completely... if the basics are clear one can configure any modem.
    So, here I am posting the General Configuration for any ADSL modem/router :

    You may configure your modem in either of the two modes :
    1. Single User mode (Bridge mode)
    2. Multi-User mode (PPPoE mode)


    1. Single-user mode : Here the Broadband Username & password are to be set-up on your PC in the Broadband Dialer.
    Step #1: To configure modem connect it to your PC with the LAN cable and ensure LAN is enabled. Open your web browser & type the Modem IP as provided in the Modem’s User Manual in the address bar(most commonly 192.168.1.1 or 192.168.0.1) & press enter. Enter modem’s Username & password (most commonly Username :admin or root, Password: admin or password).

    Step #2: Enter internet connection or WAN setup as per Modem manual & enter the following settings:
    PVC name : "ISP name", VPI= as provided by ISP, VCI= as provided by ISP, Connection type or Protocol : “RFC1483 Bridge” or “Bridging”.
    Encapsulation : LLC/SNAP.

    Step #3: Save & apply & reboot the modem with the last saved configuration.

    Step #4: Create a Broadband Dialer using your Broadband username & password.

    2. Multi-User mode: Here the Broadband Username & password are to be configured into your modem.
    Step #1 : To configure the modem, log-in to it as mentioned in the previous case.

    Step #2: Enter internet connection or WAN set-up & enter the following settings:
    PVC name : "ISP name", VPI= as provided by ISP, VCI= as provided by ISP, Connection type or Protocol : “PPPoE”
    Encapsulation : LLC/SNAP, Service name : dataone, Username : Your Broadband Username, Password : Your Broadband Password, NAT: Enabled, Add Default Route : Enabled.

    Step #3: Save & apply & reboot the modem with the last saved configuration.

    Wi-fi configuration:
    Step #1: While you are logged on to the modem, click on Wireless option, Enable Wireless.

    Step #2: Navigate to the Security option, select Authentication: WPA-PSK or WPA-Personal, a pass-phrase or network key field would show up where you have to enter your chosen wi-fi password.Disable WEP encryption, if any.If there is any MAC authentication option, set it to disabled.
    N.B : The configurations given above are the general settings for any ADSL modem or router for Broadband.However, the interface & few terms may vary from Manufacturer to manufacturer. Kindly contact the manufacturer for further details or use modem specific User manual.
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    right on. just a small query, who will ask vendors for a common UI? each vendor has their own issue plus rebranding pehnomenon. what about it? why will they go for unified ui? unified ui means open source? they will then be forced to give up the source. they go greedy and make excuses, provided the device clicks. eg huawei hg556a and inside bcm63xx aka bcm6358. more advanced device? more advanced settings.
    *one size fits all policy doesnt work and did never work either and will never either in the future.* "Different strokes different folks(devices)!"
    people never read the documentation. why? i dont know.
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    People do not read documentation because more often than not the manual is extremely hard to follow. Tech guides, as the name suggests, is full of technical jargon which common people find very difficult to understand. What people want is a simple easy-to-follow or plug-and-play devices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by just4kix View Post
    People do not read documentation because more often than not the manual is extremely hard to follow. Tech guides, as the name suggests, is full of technical jargon which common people find very difficult to understand. What people want is a simple easy-to-follow or plug-and-play devices.
    well then suffering is the only choice they have! you can not have the cake and eat it. my friend. eat the cake or let it rot in your hand. your call, i gamble with all chips on table, i gamble big all the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quackquack View Post
    well then suffering is the only choice they have! you can not have the cake and eat it. my friend. eat the cake or let it rot in your hand. your call, i gamble with all chips on table, i gamble big all the time.
    -paul
    That is where good samaritans help out. Good samaritans share their knowledge. Good samaritans want and like to share their knowledge. Good samaritans want to spread their knowledge.Good samaritans do not say (in an arrogant tone), "You should have read the manual first. Since you didn't, you deserve to suffer". If you wish to help out then fine else you can keep away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by just4kix View Post
    That is where good samaritans help out. Good samaritans share their knowledge. Good samaritans want and like to share their knowledge. Good samaritans want to spread their knowledge.Good samaritans do not say (in an arrogant tone), "You should have read the manual first. Since you didn't, you deserve to suffer". If you wish to help out then fine else you can keep away.
    well sorry i was busy doing my friends final year final sem MSc project. why? because like how you said "*good samaratian*", i spent 3 night and 4 days trying to read and learn electronics. but i failed. i had only 3 days before he submits. he copied the entire circuit inch by inch solder by solder from a QSL ham radio portal. assured 100% to work.
    what you understood mate?
    ~~~"You should have read the manual first. Since you didn't, you deserve to suffer"~~~ one quick reading would not hurt you not much as not reading. you need not understand character by character line by line word by word sentence by sentence, just a brush up will help us help you better.
    rather than you spend hours and get nothing done, one reading will help you pick it up faster. besides its cool/nice/excellent to help those people who are willing to help themselves.
    now i am a big 0 in electronics. i had to read electronics and finish a masters project, obviously i failed in make it to work with codes. but i did learn. and now the same *TARD* spend more than 1 year on laser and his MSc subject fail to get work done? why? shortcut may help in the short run. long run it your grave digger. and he is just going to get the pass mark thats it nothing more. thats why past 3 days i been doing his work and he will come daily and sleep on my bed while i work his project. anyway i will now return to work. i have to wiki up dsl-502t and huawei hg556a, i told admin i will finish this. and lets see how many users still ask questions even ehen a wiki will be put up soon.
    sorry mate for this long answer. i never take sort cut. long and lengthy and *BIG* and i dont like short cutters, they cut it so short travel experience is a horrid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quackquack View Post
    well sorry i was busy doing my friends final year final sem MSc project. why? because like how you said "*good samaratian*", i spent 3 night and 4 days trying to read and learn electronics. but i failed. i had only 3 days before he submits. he copied the entire circuit inch by inch solder by solder from a QSL ham radio portal. assured 100% to work.
    what you understood mate?
    ~~~"You should have read the manual first. Since you didn't, you deserve to suffer"~~~ one quick reading would not hurt you not much as not reading. you need not understand character by character line by line word by word sentence by sentence, just a brush up will help us help you better.
    rather than you spend hours and get nothing done, one reading will help you pick it up faster. besides its cool/nice/excellent to help those people who are willing to help themselves.
    now i am a big 0 in electronics. i had to read electronics and finish a masters project, obviously i failed in make it to work with codes. but i did learn. and now the same *TARD* spend more than 1 year on laser and his MSc subject fail to get work done? why? shortcut may help in the short run. long run it your grave digger. and he is just going to get the pass mark thats it nothing more. thats why past 3 days i been doing his work and he will come daily and sleep on my bed while i work his project. anyway i will now return to work. i have to wiki up dsl-502t and huawei hg556a, i told admin i will finish this. and lets see how many users still ask questions even ehen a wiki will be put up soon.
    sorry mate for this long answer. i never take sort cut. long and lengthy and *BIG* and i dont like short cutters, they cut it so short travel experience is a horrid.
    -paul
    Your counter-arguments and examples are very silly and laughable. You are doing yours friends project work. In this case, you are cheating as well as your friend. Your friend's project is an assignment. He has been given the requisite teaching and training for the same. It is part of his/her academic curriculum, a test of sorts. You are not a "good samaritan" in this case, you are as much a cheat as your friend. Plain and simple. No argument.

    In case of reading technical manuals and understanding them, this is completely different. The average person is not a technical person. He is not tought or trained. When you explain the same manual, in simple and easier to understand words/actions, you are teaching. Just as a teacher teaches a subject in school. Once the subject is taught, the student is tested via a tutorial. Here the student is expected to be on his/her own and "good samaritanship" is neither expected nor welcome here. As with your own Electronics example, it is laudable that you studied by yourself. It is here, if some friend had come and taught you, then he would be a good samaritan.

    Coming back to technical help in understanding manuals, the "good samaritanship" is extended to explaining the basics, making the inquirer understand, help with step-by-step instructions, etc. You cannot say, "it is all there in the manual; go and read it". This is the basic difference. If you do not wish to help, that is OK. No one is forcing you to. But don't come and say, "read the manual first". This point is NOT OPEN TO DEBATE further. So do not reply.
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    Mac spoofing in modems is quite an interesting feature but of less relevance in adsl connections since ISPs providing service over adsl mostly use PORT BINDING as the security measure.
    But it is relevant to those using MAC BINDING as the security feature.But mostly this procedure is followed in cable broadband networks because in this case Access Network is shared, whereas in ADSL technology there is no sharing of the access network , i.e. a 1-to-1 connectivity exists between the Dslam port to subscriber's premises over the existing Telephone distribution network.

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    This thread has become a sort of slugfest. Admin kindly asked, "how many of you would like to come forward and write modem configurations' tutorials?". He further asked opinions on best way to reward such people. Admin is not soliciting your opinions on whether you should tell people to go and read the book/manual. A forum exists so that people should help each other. At least this forum is built on this principle and we intend to keep it that way. If some of you do not feel obliged to help, that is ok. But please (please) do not come here and tell others "to go and F themselves" (as one kind member just wrote which I deleted). If you feel that writing such tutorials is not a good idea due to technical and such reasons then certainly do say so. But please don't bring your own morality into it. Next such post will earn a ban.

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    It is about making people's lives easier not making them smarter. If they wanted to become smarter or wanted to develop their IT skills they should join a 3 year IT course some where and then try to configure their modem or router. By creating a tutorial for every model we would be helping people save time and spend the time they save doing something productive. Some one could spend hours doing hit and trial or read a simple tutorial with screen shots and be done within 5 mins. Now most people would say why should I be writing for some one who doesn't have the time, energy or will to understand the basics. My advise to them would be to migrate to some mean land and leave India alone.

    Next time you fall sick or catch an infection dont go to a hospital go join an MBBS course and spend a good 5 years learning medicine and then treat yourself. Get the underlying idea? I do not mind elaborating further for those who still dont get it.

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    To Admin: Look no one is telling the idea is WRONG! In an Optimal world, that's what people expect, spoonfeeding and we can give all the basics. But Tutorials, you're talking with screenshots, for ALL THE MODELS of modems in the world?! That I think even you know is impossible bro. Rather, we can create a basic guidelines thread with the Tabs a newbie should look out for and well each router will have its own IP login address, not ALL are 192.168.1.1 where to enter the settings they have received from their ISPs.

    And For That Only People are told to read the Manuals because where else do you think that is mentioned? Err... Don't you think most of what you quoted is a tad bit exaggerated? Really? 3 years IT course is needed to Learn how to configure a router?! More productive stuff on the Internet?! That's how/what we ALL Know about smartphones/computers and other things is it? I don't think so and I know you know the honest answer to that question!

    We put our effort to learn and we did it the hard way and that helps us help others bro. Nothing wrong in teaching others to do the same as that's how people LEARN to help others and THEMSELVES so that they can HELP/TEACH others!

    Have you ever gone on a forum like XDA and asked for a step-by-step tutorial like that? I have been there and I know if anything NEW is asked and especially in detail then automatically they will make you seem like you are either incapable of doing stuff or retarded. Because same expectation, should do whatever the others are doing, not your own thing which is different or new! Strange Reasoning!

    Like I said General Settings of different ISPs, YES. ALL modems? Highly unlikely! As another mentioned maybe if a modem is totally out of the ordinary, then yes, we can TRY to help, WHY? because without that modem, how do we know what that modem's access page looks like and what the options are in it? Also, note that nowadays most of the modems come with plug and play support and have settings entered automatically once you have entered your respective ISP's name, Country/Region as well as your username and password. The rest is only manual tweaking of the security settings like Wifi, etc.

    And another very practical Point to remember is! If that person has a modem and has no other option to connect to net(by some odd chance, doesn't have GPRS, does not know how to use mobile browsing) how will he/she see the settings threads or how will he/she upload screenshots of their particular modem settings and post tutorials if the forum itself won't allow certain types of things to be posted until after a certain number of posts only?! Catch my drift? Something like how Reliance wanted those who DON'T HAVE a Broadband Connection to LOG-ON to a website and fill an application! REALLY WISE NO?!

    So every situation being worthwhile depends on what we can or Cannot Do! Moreover having an understanding and acceptance of the same will help, not claim, again like I said SuperHuman capabilities for the wrong reasons, and bash those who don't agree to your opinion. :|
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    Generally, I do not discuss on why certain people are banned. But in this case (mischu1) I shall make an exception.

    I have been accused of being high-handed and dictatorial, especially if someone's opinion does not match mine. I think I made it pretty clear in my last post that you may agree or disagree with me. I know that all people will not agree with me. As regards to the contest about modem guides, there are people who said that this is a good idea. Then there are people who said that it is a bad idea. That is fine. But if you say that it is a bad idea "because people did not read the manual and hence they should go and screw themselves", then this kind of difference of opinion is intolerable. Many people visit this forum but there are very few regular posters. If they read such posts ("go and boil your head" ) they will be put off. They will think that this is a forum of elitist society.

    Antagonists usually say that because I have the power, I get a kick out of deleting posts/banning people. 99.99% posts that I have deleted in the last two years were spams. 99.99% banned people were spammers. Another argument is that this is an open public forum and people have the right to express opinion. That is correct and again not correct. Yes. This is a open public forum. People can come and express opinions and even argue. Their opion can differ from Admin/Moderators. But when specifically told to cool down, then they must.

    Why does this forum exist? It exists to help people who find difficulty in doing things themselves. This is the basic and sole purpose. People who are looking for questions, look, read, understand and go away (with joining). Those who still have doubts and wish to clear further doubts, register and ask questions. Then there is rest of the community who are there to help. Now if you do not wish to help, why do you wish to be here? Don't you help your child to take the first steps? Don't you help your old grandparents to move around if they are unable to walk? Are students asked to read the books and study by themselves - what are teachers then for? If your attitude is "go and study/read manuals", then there are two options - you either keep to yourself or leave. No one forced anyone to join here. This is not an internet chat room or twitter or blogspot. While this is a free forum, there are rules and a certain code of conduct to be followed here (please read Forum Etiquette).

    Let us come back to the original subject. Admin asked "Can we create a set of manuals for all modems/routers?". Some said it is impossible and illogical even. Fair enough. But if you are familar with the process of just one modem and create a guide, maybe over the period of six months, we will have 50 guides. This will help in building content. This will help in SEO. This will bring in more traffic. This will bring in more reputation. And you will not go unrewarded. For your efforts, YOU WILL BE PAID a fair amount (not yet discussed but agreed). We have had such contests in the past and ask people around - they have been paid. If you still think that it is a bad idea, then PUT YOUR ARGUMENT CONSTRUCTIVELY with valid counter proposals.

    I hope this helps.
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