guys i m really sry i did not read the complete thread !! I just got so pissed when i just read the first one !
Also, i did not copy the stats bro ... i chked them all up at the time of writing.
I also had posted links, but then it asked me to remove them....
Also, it may seem that i m an ATI/AMD fanboy ..... but its not that case.
I do suggest ATI/AMD for the simple fact that i have owned both intel and nvidia b4 amd i m a lot more happy with ATI/AMD stuff.
As u already know that the ATI 4850 is a gr8 card, u dont have to be a ATI fanboy to suggest it.
In another thread i had suggested AMD 5000+ with 780G motherboard, now as u say ppl here are not hardcore hardware enthusiasts, i expected them not to heavily OC their processor(intel strength).... hence, give me an intel processor which costs 3k performing better than the AMD 5000+ .
As for the 780G, they have a technology called Hybrid crossfire (nvidia does not have it as far as i know). This technology allows u 2 use ur discrete gfx and on board together, so dont u think it would be better..... i dont see fanboyism.
Also buddy chk the palit version of 4850... its 9.6k ...i cant post links yet...
so i will copy it:
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Interface : PCI Express 2.0 x16
Chipset Manufacturer : ATI
Memory Size : 512MB
GPU : Radeon HD4850
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Also, i m saying again 8800GT=9800GT
proof:
Shhh... Don't Tell Anyone I'm Really an 8800 GT
The GeForce 9800 GT is quite a recent addition to the graphics segment but it has hardly generated any excitement among enthusiasts. "Why?" You might wonder. You'll know the reason once you take a look at the specifications of the "new" GeForce 9800 GT and compare it with the older 8800 GT. Don't panic. Your eyes are not playing tricks on you and there are no typographical errors here.
The truth is, this is all an elaborate marketing ploy by NVIDIA to resell some of their older cards, because the simple fact of the matter is this: the 9800 GT is really an 8800 GT. Honest. The only difference is in the name.
this is taken frm hardwarezone.com ... look in the gfx section and go to the 9800GT round up, page 1 first 2 paragraphs.
I rest my case.
buddy dont need to through so much attitude.... the new guy has a name.... i m new to this forum but m a long time member of vr-zone and techpowerup
can u get some info on nvdia Phyx ?
about what it is, how it helps in real gameplay ?? have u seen its effects ??
yes, most of the games r powered by nvidia.... but ATI gets better and better after every driver update... so i really would not consider that point ....
also, with the New catalyst 8.12 .. u get this new tool called AVIVO converter.
its a gr8 tool as it uses the GPU,to convert video in to other formats(mpeg1 - ipod, stuff like that).
for phyx, i m skeptical ..... it looks like a marketing ploy to me. There r only a few games(like GRAW 2, UT3 , etc) that use phyx ....if u activate it , it seems to look the same and u lose a few fps.... dont know much abt phyx though.
and thank me for giving u techshop.in !!
yes i have experienced the same problem in NFS undercover, that when u go really fast, u suddenly run out of road.
This problem is due to slow processor ..... bcos when i OC my processor its is gone.... or u can try to lower the resolution only.... should work ...
PS: NFS undercover is boring yaar how could u like it! The gfx on max dont look that gr8 too. Try GRID, i liked it.
y m i in a forum in which ppl say stuff like this:
Yeah . I can understand his outburst [passion for PC stuff ]
But unfortunately he was under the false impression that he knew everything about PC hardware .
Thanks
well, some1 knows all the stuff.
i just came to tell some facts as a fren told me that the ppl in this forum need help, so tried to make a contribution. I see no need for this arrogance in a public forum. If u think u know all then u r right u do... cos no1 can convince u that u dont.
Have a gr8 Christmas guys and a happy new year.
make a new year's resolution that u will chk ur facts and u dont be so arrogant.
I read some1 trying to OC an 8600GT to levels of 8600GTS.
well,, first of all they are the same hardware( ie GPU chips) but 8600GT are lower grade ones. So if u try to OC it to the levels of 8600GTS, u may end up crashing for the following reasons:
1) The clock difference is HUGE.
2) Only the best chips would be on 8600GTS , and the ones which failed tests would be on 8600GT.
3) Main reason : Most of the 8600GTS require a 6-pin molex power connector. 8600GT does not, so may be, just may be if u OC to that lvl the card may draw more power than it can be given(frm pcie slot) which will cause it to crash.
I had once read an article where a guy had flashed 8600GTS bios onto the 8600GT, the result : comp never booted !!!
well, i guess ur budget is around 4k right ? Go 4 the 9500GT, its slightly (3% on avg) faster than a 8600GTS . Also consumes 10W less... + newer technology. i stay in blore, u can get a 9500GT for 3.9K + 4% tax.
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buddy, u said that u or ur frens have these cards and they benchmark on their own... well thats gr8 ... i cant do all that... i can just talk abt my card (ATI 4850). But, i take inputs from multiple sites (usually 5+) before i say something. After my 15 posts r done, i will send links to at least 5-6 websites reviewing anything i talk abt. I m not here to prove that some1 is wrong ... just here to help ppl make the correct choices.
also, someone had spoke abt the "way its meant to be played" campaign... thats a gr8 advantage nvidia has.... but what it really means is that nvidia drivers are "better" optimized than that of ATI. Eg: crysis (powered by NV), did u know that after catalyst 8.12, my crysis runs a lot better......
Now for the phyx advantage, phyx is by aegia = nvidia now. So u would think that the newer games will hav phyx by nvidia, but let me inform those who dont know that INTEL is going to be the latest player in the gfx market (late 09 i guess), and they have phyx by havok. Now as u all know, game makers take a lot of money to offer support, now INTEL is so much more rich than nvidia, that they can easily offer a lot more cash for their game to be powered by havok (not aegia). There were talks between ATI and nvidia that nvidia would offer phyx support to ATI. Now y would they do that? cos game developers know that their game is going to be played more on ATI and nvidia cards that on an intel (larebee, thats the name, dunno abt spelling), hence would extend support to nvidia and not intel. But ATI said no to this offer, so lets see what happens. In short, what i meant is that these software optimizations should not be a deciding factor.... they r constantly changing.
Dont go for initial benchmarks of any product as the drivers need to mature, make a decision after at least 2-3 driver updates of that card. Usually websites give benchmarks after every new driver update.
[QUOTE=newprouser;78988]Anybody can solve this guy's problem ? :lol: :lol:
haha nice find bro !!
its better to have enemies than frens like that !!
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No1: I humbly ask our Graphic card expert Mr Rajan to google search Hybrid SLIAs for the 780G, they have a technology called Hybrid crossfire (nvidia does not have it as far as i know). This technology allows u 2 use ur discrete gfx and on board together, so dont u think it would be better..... i dont see fanboyism.
No 2: I am aware of Hybrid Crossfire ....But like i have said Crossfire/SLI gives you only around 50-80%performance boost .... Better you can just buy a new single card . I have already said this in my other posts .
So there is no difference in the performance of a rs 9800 card and rs 12000 card of the same range is it ?Also buddy chk the palit version of 4850... its 9.6k ...i cant post links yet...
so i will copy it:
Palit ATI Radeon HD4850 512MB GDDR3 Graphics Card
Compare this Product with others Palit ATI Radeon HD4850 512MB GDDR3 Graphics Card
Interface : PCI Express 2.0 x16
Chipset Manufacturer : ATI
Memory Size : 512MB
GPU : Radeon HD4850
This is useful info for me as you will see laterAlso, i m saying again 8800GT=9800GT
proof:
Shhh... Don't Tell Anyone I'm Really an 8800 GT
OLD News .... I have already said in this forum that many of the 9 series cards are marketing ploy and not to go for it . I recommended in my first post 8 series card and GTX200 series cards .The GeForce 9800 GT is quite a recent addition to the graphics segment but it has hardly generated any excitement among enthusiasts. "Why?" You might wonder. You'll know the reason once you take a look at the specifications of the "new" GeForce 9800 GT and compare it with the older 8800 GT. Don't panic. Your eyes are not playing tricks on you and there are no typographical errors here.
The truth is, this is all an elaborate marketing ploy by NVIDIA to resell some of their older cards, because the simple fact of the matter is this: the 9800 GT is really an 8800 GT. Honest. The only difference is in the name.
And for those who want 9 series i recommended 9800GT .
My Bad the 9600Gt is based on G94 and not G92 as i first thought [which would make it a 8800gt type GPU ].....
I always check specs . How can u judge a card without checking the specs ? .....
And there are some new features in the 9800GT like 3 way SLI support
okI rest my case.
I thought i saw some borrowed knowledgebuddy dont need to through so much attitude.... the new guy has a name.... i m new to this forum but m a long time member of vr-zone and techpowerup
Sometimes people tend to forget names . its not a sin . i was posting in a hurry .
Nvidia's driver is a marketing ploy but AMD's is very practicle ? Now you really sound like an AMD fanboycan u get some info on nvdia Phyx ?
about what it is, how it helps in real gameplay ?? have u seen its effects ??
yes, most of the games r powered by nvidia.... but ATI gets better and better after every driver update... so i really would not consider that point ....
also, with the New catalyst 8.12 .. u get this new tool called AVIVO converter.
its a gr8 tool as it uses the GPU,to convert video in to other formats(mpeg1 - ipod, stuff like that).
for phyx, i m skeptical ..... it looks like a marketing ploy to me. There r only a few games(like GRAW 2, UT3 , etc) that use phyx ....if u activate it , it seems to look the same and u lose a few fps.... dont know much abt phyx though..
Few games ?? Again where r u getting all this info from ?
PhysX engine is also used by Gears of War 1 and 2 , Mass Effect , Assassin's creed , Many of Tom Clancy's series etc etc etc. And all upcoming games will have support that support
Not just GRAW2 GRAW 1 too i supported
I am not convinced you have an 8800GT . :very suspicious: . The problem was solved after he reduced the graphic settings like anti-aliasing .yes i have experienced the same problem in NFS undercover, that when u go really fast, u suddenly run out of road.
This problem is due to slow processor ..... bcos when i OC my processor its is gone.... or u can try to lower the resolution only.... should work ...
How slow can your processor be ? [that too with an 8800gt in your rig ?]
Finished Grid . Challenging game liked it too , Especially the Time Warp effect :lol:PS: NFS undercover is boring yaar how could u like it! The gfx on max dont look that gr8 too. Try GRID, i liked it.
A guy who called me a Nvidiot is asking this question and he should answer it himselfy m i in a forum in which ppl say stuff like this:
Yeah . I can understand his outburst [passion for PC stuff ]
But unfortunately he was under the false impression that he knew everything about PC hardware .
Thanks
Now who is arrogant ? . Somebody called me an Nvidiot ,Did nt he ? Somebody with whom i had never spoken,seen or posted to before ?well, some1 knows all the stuff.
i just came to tell some facts as a fren told me that the ppl in this forum need help, so tried to make a contribution. I see no need for this arrogance in a public forum. If u think u know all then u r right u do... cos no1 can convince u that u dont.
You r not the only one here who can get pissed off . Help others if you want nobody is stopping you , Just dont attack others for their opinions .
Merry Xmas and a Happy New year .Have a gr8 Christmas guys and a happy new year.
make a new year's resolution that u will chk ur facts and u dont be so arrogant.
You should be making that resolution now , dont you think![]()
I already said thatI read some1 trying to OC an 8600GT to levels of 8600GTS.
well,, first of all they are the same hardware( ie GPU chips) but 8600GT are lower grade ones. So if u try to OC it to the levels of 8600GTS, u may end up crashing for the following reasons:
1) The clock difference is HUGE.
2) Only the best chips would be on 8600GTS , and the ones which failed tests would be on 8600GT. [Its very obvious :rollseyes: ]
3) Main reason : Most of the 8600GTS require a 6-pin molex power connector. 8600GT does not, so may be, just may be if u OC to that lvl the card may draw more power than it can be given(frm pcie slot) which will cause it to crash.
-->You can come close to 8600GTS
-->It may crash
[Refer appropriate post]
You have merely re stated my points
Nvidia people are not so foolish to merely overclock a card and release it as an overclocked version :rollseyes:I had once read an article where a guy had flashed 8600GTS bios onto the 8600GT, the result : comp never booted !!!
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Wait a Damning second !! ... You said in your previous that you use 8800GT !buddy, u said that u or ur frens have these cards and they benchmark on their own... well thats gr8 ... i cant do all that... i can just talk abt my card (ATI 4850).
Now i am 100% sure . you have some low-end or Medium range card .
No wonder your NFS Undercover Graphics was buggy![]()
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[Refer previous post ]
You can take benchmarks if you have the cardBut, i take inputs from multiple sites (usually 5+) before i say something. After my 15 posts r done, i will send links to at least 5-6 websites reviewing anything i talk abt. I m not here to prove that some1 is wrong ... just here to help ppl make the correct choices..
I dont have any objections to you giving advice [which may be opposing to my views ]
Its just that you opened the offensive against me , attacking my views [Nvidiot] .
Again What card do you have ?also, someone had spoke abt the "way its meant to be played" campaign... thats a gr8 advantage nvidia has.... but what it really means is that nvidia drivers are "better" optimized than that of ATI. Eg: crysis (powered by NV), did u know that after catalyst 8.12, my crysis runs a lot better......
Nvidia Drivers are better optimized because Game devs coded in the support :rollseyes:
You expressed it in a better form , but unfortunately you r again restating my point .
Its Larabee [as in Lara Croft] and its very OLD news . IntelGfx solutions is still in its infancy . No game Dev would take up Intel's offer even if they tried to give him their stocks .Now for the phyx advantage, phyx is by aegia = nvidia now. So u would think that the newer games will hav phyx by nvidia, but let me inform those who dont know that INTEL is going to be the latest player in the gfx market (late 09 i guess), and they have phyx by havok. Now as u all know, game makers take a lot of money to offer support, now INTEL is so much more rich than nvidia, that they can easily offer a lot more cash for their game to be powered by havok (not aegia). There were talks between ATI and nvidia that nvidia would offer phyx support to ATI. Now y would they do that? cos game developers know that their game is going to be played more on ATI and nvidia cards that on an intel (larebee, thats the name, dunno abt spelling), hence would extend support to nvidia and not intel. But ATI said no to this offer, so lets see what happens. In short, what i meant is that these software optimizations should not be a deciding factor.... they r constantly changing.
[Game Devs ]They also care about their own game's graphics you know .
They can have all the money they want but they can never dream of competing against ATI and Nvidia .
Drivers cannot alter the architecture of the card . The drivers can only marginally improve the card [Benchmarkwise] . Initial benchmarks can very well be used to judge a card .Dont go for initial benchmarks of any product as the drivers need to mature, make a decision after at least 2-3 driver updates of that card. Usually websites give benchmarks after every new driver update.
A Card's driver will be most advance when it it almost expired . You cannot wait for so long to take , benchmarks can you ?
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hmm... when did i say that i hav 8800GT ... pick out the lines... i hav said that i HAD a nvidia card b4 (6600GT) which gave me huge problems.
I do not giv benchmarks bcos i have a really SLOWW..... processor (D805 @3.6GHz) .... so they would not do justice. But i can get u benchmarks frm a fren who has a ATI 4850 and a q6600 @ 3GHz ..... would be upgrading my rest of the system in jan end or so.
Also, i m sry that i called u an nvdiot ..... i saw that u did not chk ur self b4 u said that some1 else was wrong . so in rage wrote it....
Any kind of affirmative posts are not reposts, so dont TAG them as ur own.
And u were the one who said 9600GT = 8800GT in ur last post, now what r u saying now???? go read the article its a 9800GT = 8800GT .... i just dont want ppl to fall for cheap marketing ploys. I do chk specs too.... what made u think i dont ?
Also, who are we to talk abt the architecture of any of these GPU's ... do know so much huh ?? then tell me more abt each and which one is more "complex".....
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and yes, see the attachment for my GPU Z screen shot.
well, i hope ur remember the 2900XT, when it came out it was not the biggest hit... bcos of bad drivers(main reason) .... some ppl i know who have it, report it being a lot faster now.
what i meant is dont make haste decisions abt a card based on its first review........
hmmm... so many games with phyx.... i know that bro... but i have seen reviews abt only those 2.... y dont u tell us what a difference it makes ?(seriously) (i have not any posts regarding that). I guess it just makes glass break in a better way :P !
and buddy... u dont have to be cynical abt what ever i say......... y cant i hav a ATI 4850 ??
also, i dont have any reason 4 the price diff between the 2 cards, both are @ default speeds and reference design.
Also, in blore, it turns out that online prices are cheaper ... what abt in ur place?
i had suggested that u go 4 hybrid crossfire/SLI bcos that person was on a low budget.
So it make more sense to go for such a solution.
yes i do know that the game developers have coded it in a better way to support NV cards... but what i meant is its the final result result that matters naa...... so dont really consider this point when i buy a card.
Also, i know after a year i will not be able to play most of the games on good settings....a new series comes out every 6-8 months lol.
Have u tried GTA 4 ???????? i get stuck on the load screen 4 ever !!!
Btw, intel had given out sample of its GPU to its partners a few months ago.
NV has really been criticizing INTEL for their bad architecture..... cant w8 4 INTEL's cards to come out !
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not all 9800GT hav 3 way sli(see pic). But they do have hybrid sli power saving feature
Are you so forgetful ?hmm... when did i say that i hav 8800GT ... pick out the lines... i hav said that i HAD a nvidia card b4 (6600GT) which gave me huge problems.
In my last 2 posts see the lines that have been highlighted in pink
"Also, i m saying again 8800GT=9800GT
proof:
Shhh... Don't Tell Anyone I'm Really an 8800 GT"
These lines to be precise
I did not ask you to show me your benchies ...I do not giv benchmarks bcos i have a really SLOWW..... processor (D805 @3.6GHz) .... so they would not do justice. But i can get u benchmarks frm a fren who has a ATI 4850 and a q6600 @ 3GHz ..... would be upgrading my rest of the system in jan end or so.
There is no necessity to restate the points i have already stated .Also, i m sry that i called u an nvdiot ..... i saw that u did not chk ur self b4 u said that some1 else was wrong . so in rage wrote it....
Any kind of affirmative posts are not reposts, so dont TAG them as ur own.
Requoting myselfAnd u were the one who said 9600GT = 8800GT in ur last post, now what r u saying now???? go read the article its a 9800GT = 8800GT ....
My Bad the 9600Gt is based on G94 and not G92 as i first thought [which would make it a 8800gt type GPU ].....
I was asking you y u think i dont check specs ?i just dont want ppl to fall for cheap marketing ploys.I do chk specs too.... what made u think i dont ?
I dunno about you , but i have studied Chip architecture i.e Intel's chip architecture and nvidia's Graphic Chip architecture for some of their simpler chips .Which includes coding the chips in assembly language .Also, who are we to talk abt the architecture of any of these GPU's ... do know so much huh ?? then tell me more abt each and which one is more "complex".....
It is not feasible in this thread to give you a Lesson on that subject .If you r interested you can take the appropriate course in college.
PS : I am an Engineering Graduate
Thats a well known factand yes, see the attachment for my GPU Z screen shot.
well, i hope ur remember the 2900XT, when it came out it was not the biggest hit... bcos of bad drivers(main reason) .... some ppl i know who have it, report it being a lot faster now.
what i meant is dont make haste decisions abt a card based on its first review........
I was planning to make a seperate post , but i forgot .... will do it nowhmmm... so many games with phyx.... i know that bro... but i have seen reviews abt only those 2.... y dont u tell us what a difference it makes ?(seriously) (i have not any posts regarding that). I guess it just makes glass break in a better way :P !
You can have it .... but ..... see your own comments regarding that subject [pink]and buddy... u dont have to be cynical abt what ever i say......... y cant i hav a ATI 4850 ??
In my place Street prices are cheaperalso, i dont have any reason 4 the price diff between the 2 cards, both are @ default speeds and reference design.
Also, in blore, it turns out that online prices are cheaper ... what abt in ur place?
[quote]
yes i do know that the game developers have coded it in a better way to support NV cards... but what i meant is its the final result result that matters naa...... so dont really consider this point when i buy a card.
Also, i know after a year i will not be able to play most of the games on good settings....a new series comes out every 6-8 months lol.
[/qoute]
ok
No have nt played it yetHave u tried GTA 4 ???????? i get stuck on the load screen 4 ever !!!
Btw, intel had given out sample of its GPU to its partners a few months ago.
NV has really been criticizing INTEL for their bad architecture..... cant w8 4 INTEL's cards to come out !
Yes , After AMD bought of ATI Intel have been trying to compete by making their own Tech [They cant buy out Nvidia :lol: ]
But i think they are way behind .
GPU
Ok You have an 4800 Series card ..... Congrats
Now why dont you put up a review .... it ll be helpful for many , including me .... As practically i have nt used any of the new ATI cards .
High light the Plus Points of ATI 4800 the Minus points of ATi 4800
and how it performs on some of the popular games , Latest games etx
without sounding Biased![]()
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buddy that shhhhhh..... line is the heading of the review lol !!
but as i said i cant giv benchmarks cos my processor is a huge bottleneck on my system performance. I will upgrade soon so will post some then.
wow that nice that u know abt architecture og these GPU/CPU . But what course does it come under?? i m doing electrical engineering . i m in 1st sem.
Will it be under my course ? I dont hav the list of elective subjects.
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Electrical Engineering as in ECE or EEE ??
Well if you choose ECE you should def have the basic course[Micro Processors and Micro Controllers] in your upcoming semesters .The more advanced you ll have to choose as an elective or it may appear as a subject too .
I do not know much about EEE
i m doin EEE ...... hope i hav it.
My Graphics Card got fried some how. So I cannot use my PC. :crying:
Ooooo...
When did that happen???
Anyway, it was just today that I started reading this thread.
And,
Oh! Good Lord!
It took me some time to read through all these....
You really had some fight here...:gunsmilie:
You can just buy me a new card for reading all these stuff....
You can select the best one.....
I shall like what you like.....![]()
Or, you can just send me the money...
That's a brilliant idea....
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Whats Graphics got to do with Internet :confused1: ???
Are u sure your other parts are working?
Are u sure your Graphic card is fried ?? Without the PSU being damaged there is no possibility of Spikes damaging the other components ........ And Components get fried only due to spike voltage ....
What happened exactly :confused1: ?
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Two different problems. I had a problem using Internet in Ubuntu. It's fixed now.
It was just an expression. I don't know what exactly happened to it. When I was using Computer the screen got all wavy and started blinking. Then monitor stopped working. I tried to restart, but didn't work. First I thought it was a problem with monitor. Then I removed GPU and connected to inbuilt card. And it worked. The screen was in 16 color mode though. After a restart I wasn't able to boot in to Windows XP at all. I have no clue. What do you think ?
Motherboard : A8V-VM (ASUSTeK Computer INC) Product link
Last edited by Archer; 12-23-08 at 11:53 AM.
I think PSU have some problems. But, how can I make sure ?
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