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[rupu1983]

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[just4kix]

Let me also think of a topic. Meanwhile please do brainstorm.

[rupu1983]

Debate topic: Luck is only a 10% player in Life

Starting note

support
Human himself can get success by hard work where luck play one negligible role.That can't be a big factor.

Against
From born to death luck said the ultimate word in life.In spite of lot of hard work we can't get any success without luck.

This debate topic I have found from different thread.Where this debate line is someone's reply.

Last day to post -12/07/09

Please participate if you don't like the topic also mention in debate group

[aashaka_gandhi]

well i certainly believe that hard work is the only thing tht matters......ofcourse u need tht certain 10% of luck..... for that 90% of hardwork to matter....!!!!!

[just4kix]

In my opinion, luck is just 1%, rest is all talent, hard work, resilience, commitment and go-getter attitude. Sometimes luck would mean a ball dropping on the opponent's side from the net chord, a dropped catch, a hole in one or an eagle perhaps. The rest is all what I said earlier.

[meetdilip]

I certainly believe in fate. In my life I have seen the worth of luck. I have missed something by shear lack of luck. Hard work will take you 99 % closer to your aim, but without the one percent the luck offers, it is impossible to succeed in life.

[Dragon]

I do believe in luck, but I am certainly not overruling Hard work. One should not rely on luck only, you'll gain nothing but rest, just give your best, put in your extreme efforts and I believe hard work never goes waste.

You try your best (hard work) to get away from the route of an incoming car, still it wasn't enough, and you think you're are gone, you close your eyes, fold your hands to die peacefully, still nothing happens, you open your eyes and find out the car got hitted by a truck before it could hit you.

Is that Luck??

[gothic_coder]

IMO, You only cry about luck when you couldn't get success , and when you achieve something everyone say "it was his/her hardwork"

[meetdilip]

Let us define luck.

We call it luck if we are saved from an accident due to others' mistake while driving a bike (Even when we followed the rules).

[Logik]

Luck is what "when ur efforts meets the opportunity." I always believe in luck. Kets say u wanna xyz work. well then 100% success for me = 99.99 efforts + 0.01 luck. but this 0.01 is very strange & important figure. Its kind of mysterious. its so amazing that whole world thinks abt it. (rite now we are doing same)

[meetdilip]

Luck is purely independent of hard work. When people get lucky they surpass many eligible candidates who has worked hard for the same cause.

Luck is like having a stove in your home. You cannot prepare food even if you have all the ingredients. And if you are lucky you may find a hotel near to your station.

[saurav_k]

LUCK & HARDWORK must complement each other for one to be successful.

There are four possibilities:

1) People who niether work hard nor they have any luck. (They dont deserve to be lucky)

2) People who Work Hard but are unlucky. (Very unfortunate - Even the most hard working people fail to achieve success without the support of luck)

3) People who have luck but dont work hard. (Very rare, but there are some people born with good luck).

4) People who work hard and also gets the support of luck at crucial stages of life/career. (Really blessed people)

So, try to be No.4 above. All you can do is work hard and not worry about good or bad luck.

But, in any case - Dont blame Bad Luck for everything. I have seen people saying "Yaar, mera to luck hi kharab hai" as an excuse in everything they fail. I really hate this.

"Rethink your errors and remember your successes, forgive yourself for your failures and take pride in your achievements. And remember that these errors, successes, failures and achievements are your story, the story of your life."

"I've always worked very, very hard, and the harder I worked, the luckier I got." - Alan Bond

"The winds and waves are always on the side of the ablest navigators." - Edward Gibbon

[Punch Farce]

Am I the only one that thinks that luck/timing/oppurtunity plays
a signigicant percentage more than others in this thread have
said.

-F

[saurav_k]

Am I the only one that thinks that luck/timing/oppurtunity plays
a signigicant percentage more than others in this thread have
said.

-F

:no: I am with you.

P.S - Dont count this as one of the four posts I am supposed to make on this topic.

[rupu1983]

Now luck plays role in life 10% or 100% it depend on situation.I believe we are living in this world this is our biggest luck otherwise everyday thousands of possibility present for our death.Actually we never realize our luck it is working in every moment.Yes success is one think which depend on hard work but without the support of luck we can't get any success.Now how much it will play role 1% or 100% it vary to every individual.If any one think luck never played big role in his/her life I will consider them also lucky because they never face the mighty obstacle in life or if they face then also in the end luck give at least some kind of support.
Luck is one think which starts to play role when human just born.Few person born in rich family, few in poor and few in celebrity family(in birthday he/she in the headline of newspaper).Here we can make an argument about that poor people can also get success in life by hard work also we can found such example also in history of mankind but I think that's only one side we never know how many people did not get success in spite of lot of hard work or sometimes he/she did not get such opportunity also to do the hard work.
what is talent ? I believe talent is such uncanny thing which person get when he/she born so why not talent will not be consider as luck.
Just simply think how do you consider one non-talented person ?
a.The person who never did hard work in life or
b.The person who did not have inborn quality.

( Sorry for late reply it happen due to some personal loss )

[meetdilip]

Condolence Rupu

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Talent is ability to squeeze opportunity out of difficult situation.Luck on the other hand is the situation of able to grab the very first opportunity.

[saurav_k]

Not many people interested in the debate i guess ...??

[just4kix]

My sincere condolences, Rupu.

@Farce, it is not important that you think luck plays a major part or minor part in success. What you should not do is depend upon luck. Perhaps you have seen a lot of lucky people.

For instance, Sachin Tendulkar, we know is very talented, gifted, natural, hard working in all that. But he was also lucky to get a break at 16/17 years of age. But luck would have carried him till that point only. The rest was all his contribution, later on.

Some people, have all the qualities, but lady luck does not smile on them. These are real unfortunate people.

Luck plays an important role but luck can only give you a small push in the right direction (and perhaps at the right time). People who succeed are people who see an opportunity in a problem.

[Admin]

"LUCK" is a word invented by some very weak personality who was looking to blame his inability to get to the top on something... couldnt find anyone around him who he could blame and he/she started blaming it all on luck to get sympathy from people around them...
Is that not what every one does...
Normally speaking when some one says he/she worked really hard but couldn't acomplish what they wanted just coz they were unlucky... well in my opinion they just didint work hard enough... just a tiny bit less then what it would take to get there...

Fate? luck? God's wish? Hummm... I dont think so... God doesn't want anyone to get screwed but to get that Gods grace you gotta keep heart ... never give up ... keep trying till you get there...

If you start doing something and think there are two possibilities ... that you could either make it or not make it .. If this is what you think about when you start doing something achieve an objective then you have lost half the battle coz you will always keep room for faliour along the way and you will take refuge when you grow tired or xyz...
Take another scenario... You want to achieve something and you wont stop trying till you get it... well is failure is not an option for you then the only thing you can achieve is SUCCESS.

Instead of thinking about or being afraid of failour just keep a plan B and a plan C ready...

What do you guys have to say about what I just said? I would love to hear from you guys...




(Not many people will understand what I am saying but I don't blame you for not understanding all this coz you gotta have the same frequency as mine to receive this signal)

[smoothvibes]

hmm i got that

and can relate it to something

[kirankumargb]

I believe in luck only until some exent but surely dont blame or depend on it for my success or failure.

If luck has to be given a place in our normal life then i would suggest, "Luck is the gate which will open itself if you are eligible but to walk through it and reach the destination its your hard work"

Luck can never be taken into account of our hard work, as Admin has said if people didnt get what they want, they blame on luck thats all what it is for.

I believe on hard work and the potential of the person. Even if luck exists and is true, i dont want it to interfear in anybodies life and increase or decrease the value of their hardwork.

Ex: A person who is very hardworking and got 75 % marks in his exam. Another person with luck doesnt read properly and score the 80 % in the same exam and gets the job.
Now decide was it fair to the hardworking person ? NO.
Is it fair to the company the luck person has joined ? NO. The company thinks that he is efficieent and gave the job but he is not at all a hard woker so even company will not be happy.

At last my openion is, Use luck to blame your failures infront of others, but never consider it for yourselves.

[newprouser]

true many ppl blame everything on luck coz they are in denial.. but luck/fate factor does exist. ever heard of chaos theory/ butterfly effect ??

Butterfly effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Chaos theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Punch Farce]

I strongly believe in the butterfly effect. I have a personal
experience with it. In fact what a coincidence you should mention it
I just found her on facebook after 10 years. so as to the debate topic
I strongly believe in the external force called luck which moulds most
of our lives.

-F

p.s have I used up 3 of the 4 chances? I'll make my 4th one
in more detail.

[newprouser]

you found a butterfly on FB ??

[meetdilip]

I totally agree on that point, never depend on luck / miracles. But luck is surely a word in anyone's book who is associated with stock market. There are matters which yield result beyond logical reasoning. Consider Tata's move to acquire Landrover and Jaguar. It was a perfect move if there was no recession. Now they have registered a loss of 2500 crores. People who invested in Satyam, they thought they are completely safe considering its balance sheet.