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    Quote Originally Posted by ShAdOwCoN View Post
    Tamil never originated from sanskrit and recent excavations have proven it to be the oldest known Indian language
    yes Tamil is definetly the oldest language of India, but Sanskrit is of world.

    which excavations?? pls highlight.

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    That much is correct. In fact all of them are Semitic religions. Though Islam shared much from other religions of east also. Christianity much from West religions of old.

    We can never know about oldest language of world. We have given it a hypothetical name Proto-World.

    Islam is Christianity of Arabs minus Jesus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luke Skywalker View Post
    Old testament was in Hebrew & New was written in Greek which waas first translated to Hebrew.
    Say what ?

    Quote Originally Posted by mickey View Post
    Islam is Christianity of Arabs minus Jesus.

    Jesus is a saint in Islam too
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShAdOwCoN View Post


    Jesus is a saint in Islam too
    i meant Practically. Mohd. Musa is the corp. leader in Islam. Jesus is just like a bearded soul..

    btw modern Muslims burn affegies of Jesus.

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    That Second part of Bible which is more important for Christians & not read by Jews was in Greek & then translated to Hebrew. Why is no one confirming that? Search it anywhere.
    Old Testament which is read by Jews & Christians both was written in Hebrew. Major part of it is in Hebrew except some new chapters which is in Aramic.

    Quote Originally Posted by mickey View Post
    i meant Practically. Mohd. Musa is the corp. leader in Islam. Jesus is just like a bearded soul..

    btw modern Muslims burn affegies of Jesus.
    Wrong if any muslim do that he will not remain a muslim.

    Jews don't consider Jesus & Prophet of Islam as prophets & only consider their own prophets

    Christian respects all prophets of Jews as their own & don't recognised Prophet of Islam.

    Islam being later considered all of their prophets as their own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mickey View Post
    yes Tamil is definetly the oldest language of India, but Sanskrit is of world.
    that would mean Sanskrit is not an Indian language :lol:

    which excavations?? pls highlight.
    WikiAnswers - Which is the oldest language in the world

    The link is in the article

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luke Skywalker View Post
    Wrong if any muslim do that he will not remain a muslim.
    yes some guys are really wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by ShAdOwCoN View Post
    that would mean Sanskrit is not an Indian language :lol:


    WikiAnswers - Which is the oldest language in the world

    The link is in the article

    yes we all know Sanskrit came from outside,, what trouble..
    Last edited by mickey; 08-16-09 at 10:37 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

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    Quote Originally Posted by mickey View Post

    Islam is Christianity of Arabs minus Jesus.
    Jesus is considered as god by christians & Islam don't recognise anyone on Earth as God. He is considered as one of their prophets much like Moses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mickey View Post
    i meant Practically. Mohd. Musa is the corp. leader in Islam. Jesus is just like a bearded soul..
    I did nt understand a word of what you wrote .... But Musa=Moses occupies a position below Jesus in both Christianity and Islam

    btw modern Muslims burn affegies of Jesus.
    They were burning George Bush ...not jesus :lol:
    its West Vs Islam not Christian Vs Islam

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    Quote Originally Posted by mickey View Post
    yes some guys are really wrong.
    Give me a source where a recognized Muslim do that. It will be like cursing their own Prophet of Islam Mohd(Saw). It is written in Quran also that Jesus is a prophet. Search it. I have read many religions scriptures to reconcile Science with religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luke Skywalker View Post
    Jesus is considered as god by christians & Islam don't recognise anyone on Earth as God. He is considered as one of their prophets much like Moses.
    Yeah Judaism too considers Jesus as a prophet .... for jews Jesus is like Prophet Mohammad to Islam(correct me if i am mistaken)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShAdOwCoN View Post


    They were burning George Bush ...not jesus :lol:
    its West Vs Islam not Christian Vs Islam
    the word Muslim itself comes from Moses(Musa)( i meant practicality bro)

    about Christianity v/s Islam Thingy, do go through google Jehad and Crusade and its history..

    about wikianswers.com i dont believe in either wikianswers because its open source and anyone can edit it..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShAdOwCoN View Post
    Yeah Judaism too considers Jesus as a prophet .... for jews Jesus is like Prophet Mohammad to Islam(correct me if i am mistaken)
    He was the king of Jews and descendant of David.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShAdOwCoN View Post
    Yeah Judaism too considers Jesus as a prophet .... for jews Jesus is like Prophets Mohammad (correct me if i am mistaken)
    No they don't consider that. That's why they don't read new testament which is by Jesus.

    Jews: Their own: Like Moses , David , Solomon ,

    Christians: All of above & Jesus as God.

    Islam: All of above as Prophet including Jesus & their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luke Skywalker View Post
    No they don't consider that. That's why they don't read new testament which is by Jesus.

    Jews: Their own: Like Moses , David , Solomon ,

    Christians: All of above & Jesus as God.

    Islam: All of above as Prophet including Jesus & their own.
    New testament is a pack of lies promoted by Constantine and the council of Nicea for purely political gains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 18lama View Post
    He was the king of Jews and descendant of David.
    He was the descendant of David but not king. As Jews were subjugated by Romans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luke Skywalker View Post
    That Second part of Bible which is more important for Christians & not read by Jews was in Greek & then translated to Hebrew. Why is no one confirming that? Search it anywhere.
    Old Testament which is read by Jews & Christians both was written in Hebrew. Major part of it is in Hebrew except some new chapters which is in Aramic.
    I got distracted .... The bible was originally transmitted orally in Aramic .... Jesus and his followers did not know Greek

    Hebrew is related to Aramic in the same way Tamil is related to Malayalam

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    By the way is this thread about world first or Semitic religions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mickey View Post
    the word Muslim itself comes from Moses(Musa)( i meant practicality bro)

    about Christianity v/s Islam Thingy, do go through google Jehad and Crusade and its history..

    about wikianswers.com i dont believe in either wikianswers because its open source and anyone can edit it..
    It was still West vs Islam
    because Eastern Christians never took part in the fight for Jerusalem

    There was a huge problem between Eastern Christians promoted by Persia and Western Christians promoted by Romans

    Eastern Christianity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShAdOwCoN View Post
    I got distracted .... The bible was originally transmitted orally in Aramic .... Jesus and his followers did not know Greek

    Hebrew is related to Aramic in the same way Tamil is related to Malayalam
    Bible was first written by Moses who wrote it in Hebrew.

    Aramic was spoken later on.

    In Jesus time Aramic was spoken ( few unverified sources might tell you different thing but Muslims & Christians believe this & they are also back by sources). But New Testament ( latest part of bible ) was written in Greeks so that common man can understand.

    Quote Originally Posted by ShAdOwCoN View Post
    It was still West vs Islam
    because Eastern Christians never took part in the fight for Jerusalem

    There was a huge problem between Eastern Christians promoted by Persia and Western Christians promoted by Romans

    Eastern Christianity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    In fact many Christians Of East support Islam on Jerusalem issue. You are right on that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 18lama View Post
    New testament is a pack of lies promoted by Constantine and the council of Nicea for purely political gains.
    I dont think it is fair to entirely bomb the whole new testament .... but yes the bible was formed for political gains and not religious motives ....there were many other holy books never included that would have radically changed the direction of Christianity
    The pope even resorted to Assassination of rival sects of Christianity

    it was a power struggle between ...Rome and some German princely states that believed in an Eastern version of Christianity ....

    Roman Catholics vs Eastern Orthodoxy

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestorianism

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    Right on that. Tamil I think is oldest language which is spoken ,of India . Sanskrit is not spoken for communication much but for shlokas & mantras. Now I think everyone is happy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShAdOwCoN View Post
    I dont think it is fair to entirely bomb the whole new testament .... but yes the bible was formed for political gains and not religious motives ....there were many other holy books never included that would have radically changed the direction of Christianity
    The pope even resorted to Assassination of rival sects of Christianity
    I have read about the council of Nicea meeting in 4th Century AD...they literally sat and decided what to include and what to exclude in the new testament. If man had interfered so much how can a scripture like this be called "holy"?

    We also forget the difference which arose between Constantinople and Rome during this time.

    Rome became the centre of modern catholic faith, Constantinople later in the 8th-9th Century became the centre for Orthodox faith.

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    New Testament looks to me as a really political thing..

    btw about Eastern Chritianity i dont know much.. but it doesnt count as much the Modern Christians of the west count..

    The fight of all this semitic religion was purely for Jerusalem. and also to get the hold to business route.. a political motivated feud..

    Quote Originally Posted by Luke Skywalker View Post
    Right on that. Tamil I think is oldest language which is spoken ,of India . Sanskrit is not spoken for communication much but for shlokas & mantras. Now I think everyone is happy?
    we are talking about oldest and not the modern ones..

    i am not happy because even the ancient days, only Sanskrit was the medium of talk between a person of Tamil origine and that of Sanskrit linga..


    Shloks and Mantras are as older as vedas, so no comments..
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    Quote Originally Posted by mickey View Post
    New Testament looks to me as a really political thing..

    btw about Eastern Chritianity i dont know much.. but it doesnt count as much the Modern Christians of the west count..

    The fight of all this semitic religion was purely for Jerusalem. and also to get the hold to business route.. a political motivated feud..
    No. Jerusalem is sacred to all of these religions. Route was there from Arab & Egypt through Mediterranean Sea not from Jerusalem.

    Quote Originally Posted by mickey View Post
    i am not happy because even the ancient days, only Sanskrit was the medium of talk between a person of Tamil origine and that of Sanskrit linga..
    Shloks and Mantras are as older as vedas, so no comments..
    I am saying Tamil is spoken now for communication & it is living now &
    Sanskrit is oldest language of india. Now South & North should unite.
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    ^^ Jerusalem is still the battleground..

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