Are you happy with last 62 years progress ?

15th August 1947 India got the freedom sorry wrong said we achieve our independence. We all know this achievement might not happen if our freedom fighter or we can say lots of common Indian did not do the sacrifice their life. They did the fight against British emperor to change the ruling power. Possibly it was not only the reason they want the independence in a hope to create one equal healthy society once which will touch the optimum point of prosperity.

Then 62 years we have passed we got some development and lot of thing need to be developed. Just like in our country 42% people still under the below international poverty line list or still adult literacy is 66%.Not only that lots of infrastructure development is also needed.
That’s why I feel probably we could have done better in 62 years but still whatever be happen in past our politicians has to accept the major responsibility for that.Still I think we all need to learn from our previous mistake and try to do something better.

What is your opinion? is it really India got sufficient development in last 62 years?
If not then what is the reason you feel?
And finally what country needs to do for better prospect?

Now in the Independence Day I like to end this note in positive tune.

Jis desh mein ganga baheti hai

Illitracy religious and communal dumbness are people's own problems, and only people(not govt) will will bring success over these mentioned problems...

people should be impartial, know more about whats happening in the world right now..
people must behave.

i am satisfied with India's way till now..:-)

I am going to stay out of this thread. Otherwise I'll piss off a lot of
patriotic Indians with my negative view. Maybe today we'll just
enjoy the day and later discuss Indias progress.

-PF

Originally Posted by Punch Farce

I am going to stay out of this thread. Otherwise I'll piss off a lot of
patriotic Indians with my negative view. Maybe today we'll just
enjoy the day and later discuss Indias progress.

-PF

yes i also mind thinking just this for today...

pissing later...

Originally Posted by Punch Farce

I am going to stay out of this thread. Otherwise I'll piss off a lot of
patriotic Indians with my negative view. Maybe today we'll just
enjoy the day and later discuss Indias progress.

-PF

Yes thread can be discuss after today also
So better to celebrate Independence day

We actually built a stable nation and it is a very small time to build such a one. We could have missed many things, but I feel building a stable nation unlike Pakistan is a great achievement.

we built a democracy

and in democracies are these ways only...

its the people who have to fight with poverty, ilitracy, cleanliness. and moral mal-being..

Are we really a democracy? Technically, yes. But secretly it is a sort of monarchy.

Why are all the roads, buildings, institutions, office parks, airports, etc. being named after only three persons of a family? Are there no other national heroes?

We achieved quite a few things but could have achieved much more had there been dignity, accountability, responsibility and commitment on part of the politicians. All our progress, etc. - we have reached where we are despite the system.

^^ all democracies are monarchies somewhere...

looking at the people here, i think atleast voting right is what can be called better.

and i said its the people who have to make up and not the politicians.

i hope people will get up from the bed long before the dusk arrives

Originally Posted by mickey

^^ all democracies are monarchies somewhere...

looking at the people here, i think atleast voting right is what can be called better.

and i said its the people who have to make up and not the politicians.

i hope people will get up from the bed long before the dusk arrives

I would not think so. The UK is a monarchy but a true democracy. Leaders are elected because of their work, popularity, policies, etc. Not because Tony Blair was son of Jack Blair or Gordon Brown is the son-in-law of Jeremy Cook. The UK monarch is a titular head only.

OK. They may have their crooks and scandals but people are at least elected and not succeeded.

Look at our Congress Party - it is full of dynasties to the core - from top to bottom. The BJP is at least much better in that respect.

^ the UK grew out of it...or rather evolved out of all the inherited political posts.

Hand party worships dynastic rule and media also supports them blindly.

Originally Posted by 18lama

^ the UK grew out of it...or rather evolved out of all the inherited political posts.

Hand party worships dynastic rule and media also supports them blindly.

arrey guys, why dont you see. . the people got up from bed there...

in India are we really caring to match up with times??
no we arent..

Originally Posted by just4kix

Are we really a democracy? Technically, yes. But secretly it is a sort of monarchy.

Why are all the roads, buildings, institutions, office parks, airports, etc. being named after only three persons of a family? Are there no other national heroes?
.

Your this point is still not very clear to me.In case of road I know plenty of freedom fighters and national heroes name present in each road.It's not just three people name present.

Originally Posted by just4kix

Look at our Congress Party - it is full of dynasties to the core - from top to bottom. The BJP is at least much better in that respect.

That's true but this is congress political agenda they know very well all the matter some people still believe in such system and politics is all about majority's thinking if they lose in election repeatedly then obviously they will change it otherwise not.BJP also have some different political agenda I think all of you know that very well.

again i will like to highlight

Its only people who will make the Nation, not just a bunch of family or a colony of leaders.

if people have no will, they want to live like they are living till the date, i have no surprise that India will never surpass its poverty, ilitracy, and the lament of its history(i meant the 1000 years)

Originally Posted by Vikram09

Your this point is still not very clear to me.In case of road I know plenty of freedom fighters and national heroes name present in each road.It's not just three people name present.

I am not talking about very old roads which were named years ago. I am talking about recent constructions.

Originally Posted by just4kix

Are we really a democracy? Technically, yes. But secretly it is a sort of monarchy.

To quote a great Greek philosopher who lived a few thousand years ago,
"Democracy without literacy is hypocrisy."

And to quote a great Indian Leader of yester years
"Ask not what the Country can do for you, ask what you can do for the Country"

How many of us today are willing to join politics?
Or even join the Army?
Or for that matter willing to leave high paying job offers and become a teacher?
Or even willing to join the Govt. service?

In fact, how many of us actually attended a Flag hoisting ceremony or sang the National Anthem today?

How many stand up when they hear the National Anthem?
Or even protest when someone else abuses it as a mobile ringtone?

Or most importantly, how many actually exercise their voting rights?

Questions that are very uncomfortable indeed.

Happy Independence day. Posting my poem now on India freedom.

A fool: About corruption.

Common person : Democracy is about vote.

Little wise person : A government for the people , by the people & from the people.

Wiser : About clearly defined rights & duties.


I am not satisfied & at the same time satisfied.
It depends upon which type of progress you are talking about.
In many respects we are quite behind. In other much progress made we had.

Originally Posted by panchabhut

And to quote a great Indian Leader of yester years
"Ask not what the Country can do for you, ask what you can do for the Country"

How many of us today are willing to join politics?
Or even join the Army?
Or for that matter willing to leave high paying job offers and become a teacher?
Or even willing to join the Govt. service?

In fact, how many of us actually attended a Flag hoisting ceremony or sang the National Anthem today?

How many stand up when they hear the National Anthem?
Or even protest when someone else abuses it as a mobile ringtone?

Or most importantly, how many actually exercise their voting rights?

Questions that are very uncomforable indeed.

If we really need to ask this questions answer then we first have to ask it himself.
But in the era self center persons really if I ask himself then society would say me one 'foolish person'.
so can we change us ??

In 1947, per capita income of India was 3 per cent that of USA.
In 2008, per capita income of India was 2 per cent that of USA.

It means we are poorer than our daddies who were poorer than our grand-daddies.

The nation is dying.

Wake up dear.

^ where did you pull these figures from ?
Reference please

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An estimate by Cambridge University historian Angus Maddison reveals that India's share of the world income fell from 22.6% in 1700, comparable to Europe's share of 23.3%, to a low of 3.8% in 1952
-wikipedia ("indian economy")

After being robbed blind by the British ,India resorted to protectionist measures to protect its economy after independence .This was the cause for the dead slow growth of Indian economy up until 1990 .After 1990 when India was forced to liberalize its economy by the world bank (its loans used as a carrot) India's economic boom started .

If India manages to maintain its economic growth rate Goldman Sachs estimates that India's economy will grow bigger than the US by 2035-2040 (same wikipedia article). Atleast we know that by 2030 India will be the place to be in ! .

In the revised 2007 figures, based on increased and sustaining growth, more inflows into foreign direct investment, Goldman Sachs predicts that "from 2007 to 2020, India’s GDP per capita in US$ terms will quadruple",

Per Capita Income or Per Capita GNP is very misleading, especially in case of countries such as India where there is an almost infinite gap between upper class and lower class.

You are right it but it is in whole world 20 per cent of the world controls 80 per cent of the gross domestic product, while 447 billionaires have wealth greater than the income of the bottom half of humanity according to Ms Velma Veloria.

Globalisation is worsening this situation more according to recent stats.

Originally Posted by settaboy

In 1947, per capita income of India was 3 per cent that of USA.
In 2008, per capita income of India was 2 per cent that of USA.

It means we are poorer than our daddies who were poorer than our grand-daddies.

The nation is dying.

Wake up dear.

yess we have to wake up!!!!

pls do yu have the sources pls..??

Originally Posted by ShAdOwCoN

^
If India manages to maintain its economic growth rate Goldman Sachs estimates that India's economy will grow bigger than the US by 2035-2040 (same wikipedia article). Atleast we know that by 2030 India will be the place to be in ! .

and most of that money will be in Swiss banks and will be owned by
the politicians and industrialists.

Originally Posted by just4kix

Per Capita Income or Per Capita GNP is very misleading, especially in case of countries such as India where there is an almost infinite gap between upper class and lower class.

The economic growth has a direct impact on poverty in India . The higher the growth percentage the higher poverty reduction percentage .

look at this map which shows the poverty reduction percentage in India

International watchdog organisation "Economy watch" :-
Poverty in India.

look at the drastic reduction in poverty from 2000 onwards ...the same time when India's economic activity picked up

While the credit rating of India was hit by its nuclear tests in 1998, it has been raised to investment level in 2007 by S&P and Moody's.[45] In 2003, Goldman Sachs predicted that India's GDP in current prices will overtake France and Italy by 2020, Germany, UK and Russia by 2025 and Japan by 2035. By 2035, it was projected to be the third largest economy of the world, behind US and China

Originally Posted by Punch Farce

and most of that money will be in Swiss banks and will be owned by
the politicians and industrialists.

Is there anything wrong in Laxmi Mittal or Anil Ambani or Indra Nooyi owning such a huge amount of cash which they have earned ?
We are indebted to lot of these people (Mittal was nt born rich and so were many of these industrialists) for breaking many a glass cieling and putting India on the world economic map .
We have come to a point where we can dream big and achieve it if we have the drive .Nobody will stop you from becoming one of these industrialists tomoro .

As far as politicians are concerned ,i think in India only the Indian society should/can lead the way forward .Politicians had nothing to do with the IT boom in India imho and yet they took credit for it (India shinning).

Originally Posted by ShAdOwCoN

Is there anything wrong in Laxmi Mittal or Anil Ambani or Indra Nooyi owning such a huge amount of cash which they have earned ?
).

not at all, I am a big fan of capitalism ;-) I was talking about the
black money of the rich people.

-F

Originally Posted by Punch Farce

not at all, I am a big fan of capitalism ;-) I was talking about the
black money of the rich people.

-F

I understood. You were talking about the issue of that blackmoney which was raised recently to be not mention again anywhere in media again.

Originally Posted by Punch Farce

not at all, I am a big fan of capitalism ;-) I was talking about the
black money of the rich people.

-F

i am judguing India more by its rate of improvement than its state of improvement ......hence my optimistic opinion

first one makes a good punch line i think