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Admin

In another thread there is a heated debate over what is the national language of India.

Can we please carry on here

Admin

Some one reported a few posts in this thread but I do not find anything offensive or even harsh for it to be deleted.

I wont comment on what the National language is but to me a language is nothing more then a way to convey your messages/emotions to another individual and I would use the one which does it best.

Can we take the language discussion here : http://www.indiabroadband.net/genera...age-india.html (National language of India?)

meetdilip

I think we should stick to English in main forums. We can use Hindi in non technical threads. This is because we have some friends who do not understand Hindi.

rajan1310

^^ Y dont u shift these posts to the new thread ?

panchabhut

@ Logik,
the issue of Hindi been the so called national language had been hotly discussed earlier too.

Legally speaking Hindi is NOT the National Language, its the Official Language, as per the Indian Official Language Act. In fact, the Constitution gives equal status of National Language to all the major languages of India. Further, even for the purpose of Official Language, the Country has been grouped into A, B and C States and 100% official communication in Hindi is mandatory only in Group A States.

Demographically, as per the 2001 census (the latest available), the number of people in India having Hindi as their primary language is far outnumbered by the number of people NOT having Hindi as their primary language.

A language is a means of communication. Whatever language best gets across the message is the best suited one. There is no problem with Hindi as one of the means of communication. Problem arises when certain groups, who are most often not even aware of the actual technical and legal position, create a virtual box around themselves and start demanding that Hindi should be the ONLY means of communication.

Coincidentally, in the last 100 years, beginning with Rabindranath Tagore, a number of Indians and persons of Indian origin have won the Nobel Prize, and none of them had Hindi as their mother tongue.

Preeti_20

Regarding the topic of the thread, India's national language is Hindi!

Logik

Bravo, at last ur gaining some good manners here on IBF. u started respecting ppls views. ;-)

Punch Farce

I am always like that.

Someone famous had this quote - "I might disagree with your views but I will
defend your right to hold those views"
however misguided, racist, jingoistic, ignorant and prejudiced they may be.

-F

There..... That seals it. Admin you can now close this thread. Miss Preeti
has delivered the judgement.

I am totally convinced now, how can you retute that
powerful argument? Hindi is my National Language.

thanks for opening my ignorant eyes Miss Preeti, your argument was
very convincing.

thanks again.
-Punch Bala

Admin, what are your views about French Vs. English in Canada?

-F

Glass

Thank you.
Kindly also give a ruling on a national religion, national hairstyle and national dress in the same vein.

Punch Farce

National Religion - Ignorancism
National Hairstyle - Dark, shoulder length hair, parted slightly to the right.
National Dress - Blue churidar with gold trim around the collar.

;-)

-F

Admin

About 65% of Canadians use English as their daily use language and 20% use French and rest other languages as we have a lot of migrant population who bring in their own languages and cultures.

In Canada both English and French are the official languages so everything is available in both the languages.

I speak both English and French but I wont lose my sleep over which one is our national language. I dont care if they declare German/Spanish/Italian/Greek as the national language of Canada as long as everything is available in one of the languages I know.

I see some of you get really touchy about the national language debate but it is not something I would understand or comment about as I have not lived in India and this is my first ever visit to India. I plan to do some traveling when I get a chance and get to know the culture and way of living at the grass root level especially the village life.

I spent some time on a few other forums with an Indian audience but did'nt see anyone using any languages other then English apart from a few words here and there which I don't know was Hindi or some regional language.

rajan1310

lol nice 1


Anyways, i think it does not matter what our national language is, what matters is that we are all 1 even with all our differences (Man, i always wanted to say that for some reason !)

cheers !
rajan

Admin

Way to go

talktoanil

Hindi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

essbebe

50% of the population in the "Hindi" belt
cannot READ or write in HINDI. ( Devanagari script)
Only if the Literacy increases to 80 or 85%
as in Kerala or Maharashtra , the claim
"Majority" of the population "Know" Hindi
can be accepted.!
English ( our versions!) is the Language
used by highly educated population
about 3 % to 4 %, and they dominate every sphere
technical/scientific/legal/medical/space science/ IT
etc .

see maps here.
Literacy Rate in India, Indian Map, Maps of India

Any one can learn a language, for day to day communication.,
specially shop keepers/traders etc.

When we were in Hyderabad (A.P) a shop keeper
( from Gujarat) who could communicate in TAMIL ,
was our first choice, for all purchases ! and we
avoided Hindi ( with all "madrasi"accent and grammatical
mistakes !)>.


So let HINDI ( mostly purged of persian/urdu/arabic words,
and ""Sanskritised"
) be the OFFICIAL/NATIONAL /regional etc
language of India.

It does not matter to majority of people,
who want their ROTI KAPDA aur MAKHAN
(Bread or Chappathi/cloth/house).
As Mao said ' regarding Ideology
or word to this effect.
So In this forum as long as your Technical
problems can be understood and solutions
given In English ( by most users) Let us
stick to English.
@Admin said he did not understand some words in English
script , posted here whether they are Hindi Tamil, Bengali words .

So Use a Language in its own script.

Using Roman Script to teach "Hindoostani"
( amalgam of //persian/urdu/Hindi etc )
to the Indian Army soldiers was an innovation
by the British to teach a common language to
the "vernacular language " groups of India , in
shortest time. Devanagari script is complicated.

I don't have a "wakkalat" ( translation "Brief")
to defend any language!By the way this word is used
commonly throught India!

deepmohan

There is no national language, India has got only Official Language.

I think we should stop creating differences by ones Mothertongue, State He Belongs or whatever it is cast, creed.........

We should just have one feel "We are INDIANS"

Vande Mataram.

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Glass

Did you mean Telugu? See how little (presumably) a person from another part of the country knows about the languages of a region! No offense!

I think one has to be cognizant that Hindi and related languages have a completely different code base and culture as compared to the southern Dravidian languages. So there is no point in trying to push Hindi down the throats of anyone - similar to pushing a religion. It is as unrelated in the interiors as learning Gaelic or Rubdbiyamian (if it exists).

To put it another way, South Indian languages are all different Linux distros and Hindi and related languages are all different editions of Windows, pushing Hindi is similar to asking all Linux users to learn Windows if they have to use computers at all.

At the time of independence, Telugu speakers were marginally less than Hindi speakers, and the number of speakers is an illogical reason to tell anyone to learn Hindi. Just like every one in the country should not become poor because the vast majority is poor. Imagine all people in the Hindi belt learning Telugu today if there were a few lakh more of Telugu speakers at that point.

There are no questions on oneness - a little analysis and discussion never hurts, especially if it is to counter zingoism.

Cheers.

P.S.: I speak Hindi, among other languages.

rajan1310

errr what ? I did not follow you.....both are from TN.

Punch Farce

You misunderstood. He was talking about a specific shopkeeper
who was from Gujarat but spoke Tamil. The rest of the shopkeepers
I presume talked in Telugu or Hindi.

-F

essbebe

@Glass How did you jump to this conclusion ?
Please refrain from "half baked'"conclusion/s
I DID NOT MEAN TELEGU.!
Para Two
You know i had given my location as Chennai.
The name itself is Telegu based !
And more than 30 to 40% of the population are
persons whose mother tongue is Telegu and settled
in Tamil Nadu and are the businessmen/financiers/
Gold traders/Silk saree manufacturers and
last but not least Movie Producers!
and they are fluent in Tamil also.

( Also people from Kerala whose mother tongue,
is Malayalam
and Kannadigas whose mother tongue is Kannada)
(see I know something ! about languages)
Most of them are fluent in Tamil language,
by need/necessity/trade/business etc.

Why Tamil Nadu has more linguistic groups , you better
learn History of South India !.

I do not want to give personal details about me ,
and sufficient to say, that I have STAYED
in different States, India, and also abroad,
to join this discussion about language/s