Thread: First war of independence for India

I have been interested in History ever since I was a little kid but lately I have developed a taste for it and spend most of my time digging old events and trying to find out what led to what.... I see a lot of people call it a waste of time but then every one has a right to have their own opinion..

I would like to know what your perception is about when and where was the first war for independence fought in India?

Were the Mougals foreign invaders and remained forigners even after being rulers here for centuries?

My opinion is that any forigner who comes to India and adapts to the Indian ways would be considered an India atleast after a few generations when they stop claiming being an Afgan or Iranian or Britishers ets... If britishers would have settled in India and would not have taken the wealth back to England I would not call them forigners if the taxes collected would have been spent on betterment of India not not in building the British forces back home.... And provided they dont treat us as second degree citizens and claimed to be Indian... India is such a country that they have an Italian born lady as the president of the ruling party as she is now and India and there is not much fuss about it.


So my question to you all is that did Mougals ever became Indians? Would you not call the wars fought against the Mougals as wars for independence and if not why and if yes what is your argument on this?

Now that I am not the owner of this forum my views do not represent the views of this website and I speak as an individual so please treat my posts as that.

Please keep it in good taste although its a very thin line.

I thoroughly agree with your perception, Moguls did invade India, but then they became Indians, it would be just like, one king attacking on another and conquers his territory, after which they work for the development of that territory. That's what the moguls did, they built enormous forts and not until Aurangzeb, had there been any difference in Hindus and Muslims. So you are correct, the true invaders were those filthy britisherz and no one else

I never said once that Mougals were not invaders. Mougals never treated the orignal inhabitants of India at par with themselves with an exception of Akbar who in the later part of his life abolished the jazia that every non muslim had to pay under the Mougal rule.

Mougals can be quotied here and there calling this land theirs but its not just the land that makes a nation its the people the culture the land and everything the way of life put together not just plain land. Mougals never embraced the libral Indian mindset of coexistance with other relegion is what I believe although I might be wrong in your perception and I would love to be proven wrong on this if you can.

Mougals in my opinion were forign invaders who never became Indian and even till the day Britishers took the throne away from Bahudar shah Indians were paying jazia to the Mougal empror which was later abolished by the British ... not that it makes the Britishers any better or legitimises their invasion... I believe it was just a change of regimn and nothing else from one invader to another so it was no different for us was it?

The only way Mougals were different were that they didint have any where to send the wealth to so they kept it with themselves and supressed the masses for centuries... Britishers were organised and never broke ties with their masters sitting in England and kept on obeying orderr and were much more organised and disciplined.

Originally Posted by rahul941400

I thoroughly agree with your perception, Moguls did invade India, but then they became Indians, it would be just like, one king attacking on another and conquers his territory, after which they work for the development of that territory. That's what the moguls did, they built enormous forts and not until Aurangzeb, had there been any difference in Hindus and Muslims. So you are correct, the true invaders were those filthy britisherz and no one else

The enormous forts you are talking about were built for the Mougals themselves not the the Indian masses... What development? Non Muslims which made up more then 95% of the population at time had to pay twice as much as taxes for the same products as compared to their Muslim brethren so whose development was it...

well, the architectural development... the intellectual, arts n music at the time of akbars reign are significant enough. And yeah, moguls were invaders, never denied that fact but indian wealth was atleast not drained from our land. And I never read that there was discrimination from the mogul rulerz, other than Aurangzeb. But broadly talking, the foriegn invasions were the key reason india isnt as developed as it shud've been.

Try reading books written by forign visitors to India in those times to get a first hand account of what the society and daily life was like under different Mougal rulers.

With an exception of Akbars time its been a very painfull era for the masses who were non muslims.

Aurangzeb called himself a muslim and didint keep his oath he took over the holy Quraan. I know that a Muslim according to Quraan is not bound to keep his promises to non muslims and it says its ok to lie to "kafirs" but he took an oath over quraan and signed a farmaan that the Sikh forces will be given a safe passage out of Anandpur fort and only forts will be attacked but a coward that he was forgot all his oaths and ordered his army to attack but a small force of 40 soldiers kicked asses of the Million strong army of the decietfull aurangzeb... Check out Chamkaur war and see for yourself.

But broadly talking, the foreign
invasions were the key reason India isnt as developed as it shud've been.

Not at all.
In 1947 Germany/Russia /Japan/China were
in ruins.
India never felt WW1 and WW2 effect except for a stray action In Chennai harbour ( Madras) by a German ship "Emden" way back in 1917 , I think.
The word "emden" in Tamil spoken language
now means you are an extraordinary person
or capable of great achievements!
InWWII , minor forage in Assam by Japanese Army.

Why I selected 1947, as basis is
WE ( Indians not Tamils/Punjabis etc ) became Independent that year, after a bloody Holocust and partition.
( after partition
Population 30 crores Now 100 crores and increasing ! ( 60 to 70% live on Rs 20/ per day)
Compare In year 2010 where we stand !
How can you blame the westerners now ?


INDIA is the size of EUROPE with
different language groups, and intolerance
for other person's languages/culture/habits
and "Holier than thou " attitude.
Even in this forum,, it can be felt.
I was called a marathi manus "shiv sainik" etc !

I remember a joke attributed to a politician.
When asked how to Improve Bihar, he said
If I rule China I will make it another Bihar !
and Chinese will make Bihar prosperous !

It is the people, who make a country,
in spite of all odds.
Compare Israel ( whether as a country justified or not is another topic) ) with neighbouring Arabic States.
Persons from all over the World migrated, and contributed their talents/expertise/knowledge etc , and we
import Arms/munitions/ or even suggestions how to save water /etc from them !

May be in 2020, there will be 50 states
In India, with one State for Bhojpuri language/ Konkani/ Tulu/ and other not well known tribal dialects/languages !

From time immemorial, only HINDU religion
( word coined by British There is only
SANADHANA DHARMA.. Now am I a Jansanghi or RSS person !!!!!?)

is binding this country. A trip to KASI
( Varanasi) and Rameswaram was
mandatory to all Indians. ( Hindus).

Remember there were 600 and Odd Princely
States ( some not even the size of Jumrithalya town.). But the divisive mentality still prevades.

I am also interested in History like @parminder , but WE never learn from History.
Normally, I do not contribute in Off topic
forum/s, as subjects become controversial, and "mud slinging" starts.

Why in India we stick together , as a Country?
1. Railways/ Television/Mass communication/ easy mobility/ automobiles/ scooters Cellphones/ medical care/
higher education/ etc.
Mostly None contributed/developed /invented by Indians.
( rare exceptions possible/claimed : wireless/)

Back to Bsnl/Airtel forums as usual!.

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