Thread: Obama here for what?

Clearly, he didnt mention terrorism in his speeches(even if he did, that was the default language of all U.S Presidents)

He is here to speak "take jobs from us & open your market"
or
"Give us jobs, if you dont want to open your market. " ?

You should also think how US citizens feels. These tricks are to fool them. Outsourcing will always be there as long as corporates have influence in the regime.

he is here to take rajinikanth away from us :cry:

Obama is going to run for another term and this 50000 new jobs creation news in USA due to deals with Indian business kind of news is what people in USA want to hear... No US president has ever played this "India type politics" before and I am pretty sure it will work.
Outsourcing jobs to India is something that will keep on increasing as long as we have disparity in wages and keep providing quality. The new yo man generation which I absolutely hate from the core of my heart will adopt the western ways of living on credit and will change our economy to a credit driven economy and get us exactly where the USA and UK are now in 25-30 years but these 25-30 years are going to be a lot of fun India is "THE" place to make money for the next 25-30 years and everyone has started realising this fact.

USA treated us like a peice of crap when the smiling Budha went off and we still have sanctions/restrictions on certain technologies and some companies are barred from doing business with India... America's loss coz we got something called "jugad" and from what I see its working pretty well as far as the economic data shows. USA is offering transfer of technology now when some other countries are dying to do that as well and from what I hear USA has got nothing special to offer to India that Russia or France cannot... NSG? we would make it into that group any way.

All in all this India trip is just a brain wash for USA's voter and nothing more... Anil Ambani would have ordered those turbines from GE any way it was just timed right to make it look like Obama is the one giving booster injections.. Planes come from USA already if not all of them But what ever it is I give Obama full marks for planning this trip because this is going to get loads of votes in the next elections.

Well I was right in thinking out the Obama policy..

I am so glad of the indian Jugad. It really works, americans shall also learn about it.. :P

Originally Posted by mickey

Give us jobs

Well, everything except Jobs and or Brin , you can take anything from us..

Obama wants Indian trade.

Watch companies like Monsanto and Walmart suck India dry and spit it out.

India... remember the East India Company? The Brits (yes; my ancestors, I am British) sucked India dry and then left. Present-day America will, if India lets it, make the Brits look like amateurs. This time, India has a choice, but it seems to me that it wants to roll over and let USA and its corporates screw it.

Please, India; don't let it happen.

India is 3rd in GDP accoring to PPP

And look at the attitude of Obama that he asks an ID card of Maharashtra CM!
In the next 25years India will definitely surpass US

Poor dog, Suffered a pathetic defeat in Mid term polls

Originally Posted by Nick_H

India has a choice, but it seems to me that it wants to roll over and let USA and its corporates screw it.

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as you said, India has a choice. Many choices.

Originally Posted by mihir94

India is 3rd in GDP accoring to PPP

And look at the attitude of Obama that he asks an ID card of Maharashtra CM!
In the next 25years India will definitely surpass US

Poor dog, Suffered a pathetic defeat in Mid term polls

well for Chawhan, i think he made the Obama security a splendid butter by breaking the protocol (as the welcome delegate).. i think he replied them back.

Obama had only one thing to say while in India

"Show me the money, honey"

And now that China is almost at par with US in military we shouldnt be friends with the weak!

I don't understand all this animosity towards Obama/USA

I don't have any animosity towards to Obama: I cried for joy when he put Bush out with the dustbins at the back of the White House. SInce then I have been very disapointed.

Any animosity that I have towards American policy --- I have already spoken about.

i didnt say i was against, i just asked the question.. i dont have any animosty towards U.S..
its a great country with great morality, as they say..

Originally Posted by Nick_H

Obama wants Indian trade.

Watch companies like Monsanto and Walmart suck India dry and spit it out.

India... remember the East India Company? The Brits (yes; my ancestors, I am British) sucked India dry and then left. Present-day America will, if India lets it, make the Brits look like amateurs. This time, India has a choice, but it seems to me that it wants to roll over and let USA and its corporates screw it.

Please, India; don't let it happen.

At the time East India company came to India it was the richest country in the world and had more then 33% of the worlds GDP and today we dont stand anywhere. The Britishers did what they did because India was the most happening place on earth back then and had been since ancient times... India couldn't compete with the cheap industrial products the Britishers brought in in a controlled manner over the years and whatever development that took place in India under the British was more or less to facilitate the draining of whatever wealth was left in India and to exploit the vast Indian market.

Things are different now and India has nothing to loose except for poverty.... America wants to take it? let them! Competition is good and increases productivity. India is sending competetion right into USA by exporting manpower.. the amount of migrants India sends into USA is something that is overlooked completely.. They all send money back home and only a small percentage settles there but even they continue to pump money into India for atleast one generation.. USA would hopefully tighten its immigration policy and not let Indians have a resident status... everything they earn there would come back to India when they return.. its a win win both ways for poor countries like India.

I have great respect for what the Chineese have achieved in the last three decades and by the looks of it they have risen to an extent that USA who have been bullying its way into whatever it wanted over the last century is left stunned and is looking for ways to counter the dragon which is just impossible to achieve... What goes up has to come down one day and vice versa...
Just in case some of you didint know.. China is the only major surplus economy and in my opinion India is on its way to be in that league in the next 10 years or so.. USA and other developed countries are all living in a dream world far from reality with the majority of population spending all thier weekly wages on the weekend.. savings has become a thing of the past for them and the welfare burdens are rising to an extent that it will not be possible for them to sustain even in the short term.. a few years down the line I believe UK government would be the first one to wash its hands off their beloved NHS which I believe is useless apart from their emergency services which I think are "the best" in the world but if you go to them with a non critical illness that requires a small surgery you could be waiting for months to get it done if not years. Things are not getting better in Canada either... USA is showing traits of getting into this NHS kind of set up as well although there is no way their government can afford it ... They are not learning from other countries mistakes.. All because there is a fundamental flaw in democracy which I dont think has a better substitute out of all the other systems of government the countries of modern times have.. China on the other hand is managing things far more better then the majority of democratic countries although they are being criticized about human rights left right and centre... India being a democratic country doesn't have a better track record when it comes to human rights... Sorry went off the track here but I am not in a mood to delete all I typed in the last 15 mins... I am going to hit the submit button. Apologies for adding unrelated comments.

US want to be friends with India eying our growing market potential and also to counter China. India too face threat from China and wants a strong ally. May be China will try to be more friendly with India to avoid more US influence on India.

USA is not a friend of any country... they are their own friends and all their alliances are out of greed and their aim to keep dominance on the world scene.. I believe India is better off being in the Russian camp and try having good relations with China.. USA has a history of stabbing their so called friends in the back and Russians are a different breed when it comes to such things. USA would take the first flight out of India when we would need them the most and on the other hand the Russians would stick to their commitments... that's what Ive learned in history books... hopefully our politicians have read the same books as I have

Originally Posted by Admin

At the time East India company came to India it was the richest country in the world and had more then 33% of the worlds GDP and today we dont stand anywhere. The Britishers did what they did because India was the most happening place on earth back then and had been since ancient times... India couldn't compete with the cheap industrial products the Britishers brought in in a controlled manner over the years and whatever development that took place in India under the British was more or less to facilitate the draining of whatever wealth was left in India and to exploit the vast Indian market.

Things are different now and India has nothing to loose except for poverty.... America wants to take it? let them! Competition is good and increases productivity. India is sending competetion right into USA by exporting manpower.. the amount of migrants India sends into USA is something that is overlooked completely.. They all send money back home and only a small percentage settles there but even they continue to pump money into India for atleast one generation.. USA would hopefully tighten its immigration policy and not let Indians have a resident status... everything they earn there would come back to India when they return.. its a win win both ways for poor countries like India.

I have great respect for what the Chineese have achieved in the last three decades and by the looks of it they have risen to an extent that USA who have been bullying its way into whatever it wanted over the last century is left stunned and is looking for ways to counter the dragon which is just impossible to achieve... What goes up has to come down one day and vice versa...
Just in case some of you didint know.. China is the only major surplus economy and in my opinion India is on its way to be in that league in the next 10 years or so.. USA and other developed countries are all living in a dream world far from reality with the majority of population spending all thier weekly wages on the weekend.. savings has become a thing of the past for them and the welfare burdens are rising to an extent that it will not be possible for them to sustain even in the short term.. a few years down the line I believe UK government would be the first one to wash its hands off their beloved NHS which I believe is useless apart from their emergency services which I think are "the best" in the world but if you go to them with a non critical illness that requires a small surgery you could be waiting for months to get it done if not years. Things are not getting better in Canada either... USA is showing traits of getting into this NHS kind of set up as well although there is no way their government can afford it ... They are not learning from other countries mistakes.. All because there is a fundamental flaw in democracy which I dont think has a better substitute out of all the other systems of government the countries of modern times have.. China on the other hand is managing things far more better then the majority of democratic countries although they are being criticized about human rights left right and centre... India being a democratic country doesn't have a better track record when it comes to human rights... Sorry went off the track here but I am not in a mood to delete all I typed in the last 15 mins... I am going to hit the submit button. Apologies for adding unrelated comments.

China has earned all this wealth if not through the help of america but through their deeds indirectly..

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Originally Posted by Admin

USA is not a friend of any country... they are their own friends and all their alliances are out of greed and their aim to keep dominance on the world scene.. I believe India is better off being in the Russian camp and try having good relations with China.. USA has a history of stabbing their so called friends in the back and Russians are a different breed when it comes to such things. USA would take the first flight out of India when we would need them the most and on the other hand the Russians would stick to their commitments... that's what Ive learned in history books... hopefully our politicians have read the same books as I have

China and India have a challenging future.. they should friendlier their terms with everyone.. this is a businessmen world today...trully shopkeeper business.

as for russians i think they are more less serious for positive relations then fellow chinese people.. they smile less.

I don't agree about friendship with China because both of us have a lot of conflicting interests. To begin with, China wants to own a large area which on map we show as our country. They want to dominate the Indian ocean which India is controlling now.

Our beloved chacha Nehru is the root cause of all the issues we have between India and China and to a great extent the disputes we have with Pakistan. Congress screwed it and they should put it right at the cost of loosing power for ever in India. It sounds pretty good when a politician says we wont bend over for the Chineese or the Pakistanis but in reality the main issues we have with both China and India are all results of bad policies and decisions of Nehru and Indira Gandhi (I am not a fan of that family in particular)
Had there been a buffer state between the Indo Chineese border we would have been living in peace with China and for those small states there is United Nation and international community.. Dont start about Tibet... it is a different kind of situation and Tibet is a part of China now and there is no power that can take it away from them .... India should ask Dalai lama to go find some other place to carry on his struggle... USA may be? He had been a guest here too long now and atithi devo bhava doesnt apply after a certain time.. does it?

Arunachal pradesh?? hummm... its a volcano all set to explode... sooner or later there will be a clash if India doesn't win the hearts of the Chinese and prove to the whole world that it is capable of defending its boundaries if attacked both conventional and nuclear warfare.. If both China and Pakistan attack India at the same time and get Bangladesh to let them use their bases ... Humm.. I guess two days and we are done! and just one day if Srilanka and Burma let the Chinese have their way at their air bases... Its not me saying this, A very high ranking Indian airforce officer has this view and all those who were there had the same view... Shouting vande matram and jai Hind is all we are capable of in real terms... our defense capabilities are nothing as compared to where China is today.

India needs to develop our own fighters and aircraft carriers and guns and what not... We have the money for that as well but then if we dont buy aircrafts and guns from outside how would our politicians get their percentage out of every deal??

Read somewhere that Chinese invasion is the only thing that denies Jawahar Lal Nehru of the title " World statesman". Nehru was shattered by the attack and redefined our foreign policy away from Non Alignment movement. That is the reason we ended up in a tactical co- operation with USSR.

Chinese are too smart to attack us in next 50 years. That would be an invitation for US to interfere in South Asia. Though India's closeness to US will prompt Chinese to be more friendly with India and assuring that India remains in the Russian camp. But it will be a tactical co operation of live and let live than a friendship.

Russia wants to be friendly with China as they see them as a great ally for the future. India has recently complained to Russia about transfer of technology developed in co operation with India. US will be more than happy if they could muster a conflict between India and China. But Indian leaders are good enough not to fall prey for it.

You smell of congress so badly that my computer initiated a forced shutdown... I some how manageed to type this much... ooohhh my computer is shutting down... damn this congress government!.....

lol

I do not support any party. Just according to what I read in newspapers. Thats all.

By leaders, I mean whole political set up. Irrespective of party.

Originally Posted by meetdilip

lol

I do not support any party. Just according to what I read in newspapers. Thats all.

By leaders, I mean whole political set up. Irrespective of party.

Well i think India was more poor in those days than now.. now it has choices to decide.. finances and technology to lobby.

Chinese people are shopkeepers.. even if they are communists, they are just that in farmer communes.. in Shanghai, Gwandong, Xshihua sez provinces, (and thats whats counted as real China) people are born and die as businessmen.. so i think growing India as a powerful economic state is better than a highly military one, so that we can fill their mouths with bread and dont let their population(and ours) to be hungry..

but military purposes of present cannot be denied, we have two morons at the horizons, and since LTTE's fate Sri Lanka is also increasingly converting into a Chinese colony..

but i think India also does many things in the Chinese seas.. we roam near Laos and Combodia, we go towards far easter of the Nicobars,(which the Chinese take as an offending strategy)..

everythings happening.. lets not forget India is also a major nucler power.,. and who knows how many nukes do we have got in our boxes.. maybe more than Chinese.. LOL..

Originally Posted by meetdilip

Read somewhere that Chinese invasion is the only thing that denies Jawahar Lal Nehru of the title " World statesman". Nehru was shattered by the attack and redefined our foreign policy away from Non Alignment movement. That is the reason we ended up in a tactical co- operation with USSR.

Chinese are too smart to attack us in next 50 years. That would be an invitation for US to interfere in South Asia. Though India's closeness to US will prompt Chinese to be more friendly with India and assuring that India remains in the Russian camp. But it will be a tactical co operation of live and let live than a friendship.

Russia wants to be friendly with China as they see them as a great ally for the future. India has recently complained to Russia about transfer of technology developed in co operation with India. US will be more than happy if they could muster a conflict between India and China. But Indian leaders are good enough not to fall prey for it.

well, i dont know, but who Told Nehru paaji to show all our facilties to the China?? didnt he knew of this glorious fact that in those days China was invading Turkistan provinces (Urumqi), Inner Mongolia(which Russia already had a large part of), Tibet's Southern eastern parts (More northern areas above Arunachal but below mainland China).

China already has fights with the Soviets in the border, they had a very hot troubles decade of 50s with them..