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    i was under the impression that ...... Evander Leopold was his real name thats y ... i am still confused ,am i wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by nilact View Post
    PM should know Hindi ( Our National Lanaguage). The person who doesn't proud his own country and national language is not patriotic.
    If you read my previous posts u ll see that i said the PM should know both Fluent Hindi and English

    So what point are u debating with me on ?
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    Why don't you clear your doubts by asking him? By the way what's your real name and your profession?

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    Quote Originally Posted by siddharth View Post
    today L.K. Advani came online to chat with people !!!....

    following the footsteps of Obama...
    He can't become obama!
    when will he understand this, as he is 80yrs old and obama is 48yrs.


    we all need a young engetic leader

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary4gar View Post
    In recent pasts, i have liked Atal Bihari as a PM.

    that was good, IMO
    huh....m all shocked....? i dont think sooo he was a good PM.....definately NO...!

    Quote Originally Posted by panchabhut View Post
    Before we can ask for the ideal PM, we must first be the ideal citizen. In a democratic set-up it is not only the right but also the duty of every citizen to exercise their votes. But statistics show that not even half of the so called educated and enlightened Indians bother to go to the polling booth.
    Dr. APJ was the first Indian President ever to have exercised his voting rights while in office.
    How can we get the better (IDEAL is a long way to go) PM if we do not even bother to vote for him.
    Absolutely true......!!!!


    Quote Originally Posted by just4kix View Post
    OK. You are going a little overboard. Obama was just sworn in yesterday. History will alone say what kind of president he will make.
    hmmm but the way he is....looks like he wud b good ....atleast...!!! lets wait n watch for his next steps.....


    Quote Originally Posted by Gary4gar View Post
    He can't become obama!
    when will he understand this, as he is 80yrs old and obama is 48yrs.


    we all need a young engetic leader

    definately......!!!!!
    Dont count wat u lost, cherish wat u ve & plan wat to gain...coz past neva returns but future may return the lost! Think-Decide-Act!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Admin View Post
    I would like PM who can give a speach without looking at a peice of paper and can speak good Hindi and English both.
    Need a PM who is Charismatic like Obama and Hillary and doesnt have a verbal diaoria like Gillani and Zardari of Pakistan... Need some one with a straight head.

    A PM who can lead this country and get internal security better then Isreal does.
    not speaking of something unrealistic or about someone who doesnt seem to become a PM in near future ... i would say ..... L.K.Advani - he at least will be able to speak without looking at papers in both languages. He may not be as charismatic like obama but his personality speaks for himself.

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    i think it woul be great if modi becomes the pm.he has the guts and the charisma,with a vision on the future.
    he deserves ro have a shot atleast.
    he will help in enforcing the strong nature of india, and not the mellow and weak nature that we show now!

    [sorry for the pm pres confusion ]
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    I have obeserved that, most of the members over here supports Modi.

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    i think the time has come to have a pm who is not on his death-bed!!
    somebody young,maybe in the 50s, who can think out of the box!!!

    all the recent pms have been like "ek pair dharti pe or ek kabar me"

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    Quote Originally Posted by ag_prasun View Post
    i think the time has come to have a pm who is not on his death-bed!!
    somebody young,maybe in the 50s, who can think out of the box!!!

    all the recent pms have been like "ek pair dharti pe or ek kabar me"
    if we think in this way my favourite PM of INDIA is Rajeev Gandhi...........

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    Quote Originally Posted by ag_prasun View Post
    i think it woul be great if modi becomes the president.he has the guts and the charisma,with a vision on the future.
    he deserves ro have a shot atleast.
    he will help in enforcing the strong nature of india, and not the mellow and weak nature that we show now!
    whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat

    modi as indian president??? he cant even speak proper english. recently at an international conference in india he welcomed hi profile guests from all over the world with this statement: "i hardly welcome you" ... and he didnt even knew what he was saying ... later he was told that - he was supposed to say "i heartily welcome you" . this information is 100% real . i myself heard him saying this on a news channel and this infact was the news of the hour.


    yaar ... PM banne ke liye to phir bhi modi ko consider kar sakte hain ... but tumne to sidha President bana diya
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    Quote Originally Posted by saurav_kataruka View Post
    whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat

    modi as indian president??? he cant even speak proper english. recently at an international conference in india he welcomed hi profile guests from all over the world with this statement: "i hardly welcome you" ... and he didnt even knew what he was saying ... later he was told that - he was supposed to say "i heartily welcome you" . this information is 100% real . i myself heard him saying this on a news channel and this infact was the news of the hour.

    i cant stop laughing on modi..................

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    well be rest assured half of he politicians in india cannot speak correct english..

    if they could , that would not have hppened..

    but the pm has a person who writes all his/her speeches.so i am sure that there will be no such blunders then!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by amitkool21 View Post
    if we think in this way my favourite PM of INDIA is Rajeev Gandhi...........
    What exactly do you like about him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by amitkool21 View Post
    if we think in this way my favourite PM of INDIA is Rajeev Gandhi...........
    well,thankfully we don't think this way!!

    Rajeev Gandhi was too immature i guess. i was too small to know anything about him..so will not comment on him.maybe Rahul G. would do a good job..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Admin View Post
    What exactly do you like about him?
    sir plz read my that post i said if we think in this way.......like no buddha nd all.....than he is my favourite.........

    BTW he is my uncle's friend and my uncle told me that he is a very nice person..........my uncle is nomore alive but i can show you guys his pic with rajeev gandhi.........

    Quote Originally Posted by ag_prasun View Post
    well,thankfully we don't think this way!!

    Rajeev Gandhi was too immature i guess. i was too small to know anything about him..so will not comment on him.maybe Rahul G. would do a good job..
    can u plz define the defination of immature.......you know what Rajeev personally dont want to be in the politics but his mother forced him to be a part of it........

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    okay guys, stop fighting , everyone got his own views.

    I was too young when Rajiv got assassinated so don't know much about his work. Yes, overall he looks like a serious person

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    I was too old when Indira Gandhi was prime minister
    But still she is the best prime minister for my opinion i can say this in the basis of history.Any way i just feel India need such prime minister who can take the decision with confidence and not much depended with party secretory.Whether he/she can speak very good English or French that's not much important for me but he/she should be intelligent and strong character.

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    Don't mind If i ask you how old are you??

    looking at you ID it seems that you are 83 born

    ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manish View Post
    Don't mind If i ask you how old are you??

    looking at you ID it seems that you are 83 born

    ??
    i think he wanted to say he was too young ..

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    Let me give my own views on this topic:

    1. Jawaharlal Nehru: Known as the architect of modern India. He brought in Socialistic policies. Wanted to be known as the world's statesman. Was ineffective in handling the Kashmir issue properly. Being a Kashmiri himself, he could bear the thought that Kashmir be allowed as part of India. He used the theory that Raja Hari Singh wanted Kashmir be part of India. If that was the case, then, Junagadh and Hyderabad should have been part of Pakistan. He took the Kashmir issue to UN-SC instead of dealing with the Pakistan Irregulars.

    His socialistic theory was lop sided. He hated the industrialists and thought them as nothing but imperialists. He sincerely believed that state should own the large scale sector. He sincerely believed in his flawed policies and created the public bohemoths. We are still reeling from the effects.

    The debacle with China and the humiliation that India suffered gave him a blow that he did not recover from and he died two years later.
    Marks: 7.5/10

    2. Gulzarilal Nanda: Was a caretaker prime-minister. A very honest man once again. Died a pauper but would not accept any state help. Held the office twice - once after Nehru's death and once again after Shastri's death.
    Marks: Cannot be judged fairly

    3. Lal Bahadur Shastri. A humble and simplistic man. Honest to the core. Took moral responsibility of a railway accident and resigned as a Minister in charge of Railways. Brought about the greatest revolution in India - the Green Revolution. Perhaps was the right man to bring India out of the socialistic doldrums. Brought India to world notice by successfully beating the better equipped Pakistan Army. But died soon after his triumph (in suspect circumstances).
    Marks: 9/10

    4. Gulzarilal Nanda: Was a caretaker prime-minister.
    Marks: Cannot be judged fairly

    5. Indira Gandhi. Known as the Iron Lady of India. Won the election on the plank of "Garibi Hatao" on the heels of LBS's slogan "Jai Jawan! Jai Kisan!". Successfully helped create the nation called Bangladesh.

    Compounded Nehru's socialistic mistakes by bringing state control and license raj in every facet of business. You now needed a license to conduct any business. Nehru had no prior examples to follows and believed sincerely that socialism was the way forward. Indira knew that the model had failed and state run corporations were draining the money from the public exchequer. Yet she persisted and brought about even stricter laws that only gave rise to massive public corruption that exists even today.

    Later on brought about a totallatarian regime by imposing the infamous Emergency, that led to her eventual downfall.

    But she was the only person who could unite India. She was elected once again after the Janata Party debable.
    Marks: 7.5/10

    6. Morarjee Desai - A Gandhian by thought and principles. Won on the incumbency platform and wave. One was his ministers, George Fernandes, brought about the exit of Coke and IBM from India. This was a both a curse and blessing in disguise. It damaged India's image as a destination for foreign investment and that took nearly 20 years to repair. But it also allowed some domestic brands to develop, especially in the soft drinks sector - enter Thums Up, Campa Cola, Gold Spot, Limca, etc. But most of Desai's time was spent in subduing the fighting within and managing the expectations of the others prime-misnisters wanna-be's.
    Marks: 6/10

    7. Chaudhari Charan Singh: Wanted to be prime minister by hook or crook and used the Congress' help to achieve his goal. Did not last long after Indira withdrew support.
    Marks: 3/10

    8. Indira Gandhi - her second stint was stained by the Sikh extremism led by Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale. She created a monster to tackle the threat posed by Akalis led by Harchand Singh Longowal. Instead the Bhasmasur turned on her. Had to order the army to enter the holy shrine of Golden Temple of Amritsar. She paid dearly with her life for this mistake.
    Marks: 7.5/10

    9. Rajiv Gandhi - Won a record 400+ seats in the Lok Sabha elections based on the sympathy wave that arose out of Indira Gandhi's assassination. Had a Mr. Clean image and the youth of the country looked up to him a lot. He brought about the telecom revolution thru Sam Pitroda. The small size Rural Telecom exchange allowed telephones to reach the villages. STD/ISD/PCO booths opened at every corner. Tried to repair and reform some sectors but could not do it. He was brought down by the Bofors Scandal. When he went away from the office, his successor claimed that the coffers were empty.
    Marks: 7/10 He could have scored more but could not do much. He had 4/5th majority in the house and an absolute following. He could have ushered in the great changes/reforms that were drastically required and helped save at least one generation.

    10. V P Singh - Emptied the coffers of the nation further (though he claimed that coffers were already empty when he took command at the helm). Divided the nation on caste lines by implementing the Mandal Commission report when he saw that the BJP was gaining ground on religious lines.
    Marks: 5/10

    11. Chandra Shekhar - The man from Ballia was known as the Young Turk in the congress early in his career. But his reign was just 4 months. The country was at its nadir in terms of economy during this time. The Forex reserves were just enough to last a month or two of imports. The country had to pledge gold to the Bank of England to secure loans. But the problem was not his creation and he got the blame instead.
    Marks: 3/10

    12. P V Narasimha Rao - Is credited with the revival of the Indian economy. Finance Minister Manmohan Singh opened up the economy, devalued the Rupee, dismantled the controls, repealed the dreadful Monopolies and Restrictive Trade Practices (MRTP) act. Though most of it was done on the insistence of IMF and World Bank, it sowed the computer and knowledge revolution in India. However, Narasimha Rao was himself a non-performer and hardly ever took decisions. He was known as a pacifier and non-confrontationist.
    Marks: 7/10

    12. Atal Bihari Vajapayee: Lasted 13 days only. Became prime minister again after winning the election.
    Marks: Cannot be judged fairly

    14. H D DeveGowda - The less said the better.
    Marks: 1/10

    15. Inder Kumar Gujral - Though fundamentally a good person, he was a weakened because he was the leader of a coalition with a thin majority. The Mehbooba Mufti case did not endear him to many people. More or less carried on the policies set by previous governments, i.e., policy of no radical reforms.
    Marks: 5/10

    16. Atal Bihari Vajpayee - It was only a question of when for the BJP to come to power. ABV was noted as a powerful orator (though some find him funny). Nehru once introduced him to foreign dignitaries as the future PM of India. An extremely respected man, he took some strong decisions such as Pokharan II. India faced strong sanctions but was able to see them off without any damage to the economy. Successfully thwarted the overt war at Kargil. Won the world opinion in India's favour. The BJP in his days brought even more changes to the economic policies. One of the major boost was lowering the interest rates. In 2004, when the BJP called the elections (but lost eventually), the interest rates were one of the lowest in India. Housing sector got a boost because of this plus the fact that House Loan Interest exemption went up from 30,000 to 150,000. Possibly the best prime minister India had.
    Marks: 9/10

    17. Manmohan Singh - Already known as the person who revived India's economic fortunes, he became the PM when strong exceptions were taken to Sonia Gandhi's foreign origins and being PM. Later she withdrew from the race herself. MMS as he popularly known as continued to bolster and fortify the economy. India is now known as the next economic super-power. But the coalition with the Leftists was constantly causing two feet forward and one foot backward. Whereas the previous government tried to delink oil subsidies, MMS was unable to do this. Inflation started rising and interest rates jumped up significantly. The common man was trapped in the interest burden particularly in housing. The world economic meltdown did not help either and instead the stock market crashed from 21,000 to 9000 in just about 10 months.
    Marks: 8/10
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    In my rating i can't imagine Indira Gandhi is behind of Manmohan Singh
    My serial, only top five i am giving
    1st Indira Gandhi
    2nd Atal Bihari Vajapayee
    3rd Lal Bahadur Shastri
    4th Jawaharlal Nehru
    5th Rajiv Gandhi

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    Does anyone here remembers how many of our soldiers were killed in the peace keeping force sent to Srilanka back in the 90's ?
    It was one of the greatest blunders by any government in India.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rupu1983 View Post
    In my rating i can't imagine Indira Gandhi is behind of Manmohan Singh
    My serial, only top five i am giving
    1st Indira Gandhi
    2nd Atal Bihari Vajapayee
    3rd Lal Bahadur Shastri
    4th Jawaharlal Nehru
    5th Rajiv Gandhi
    OK. Respect your opinion. But you do not know what Emergency was. How could you? I was very young myself. But my father/mother, uncles told me enough stories.
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    I was just thinking about that only emergency is the negative & fascist decision but still Nationalization of Bank,Garibi Hatao,She tackle the Punjab problem very well & Simla agreement lots of positive point is present.I think she got the lesson from emergency even she defeated from RaiBareilly after that.We all know that time Jayaprakash Narayan was the opposition leader and over night(25/06/1975) he was arrested after emergency declare.Even i was not born that time all source is book and my mother(she teach my history from childhood).Yes i also condemn emergency and i think that time entire India support Narayan in anti-Indira movement.
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    Even I heard that Emergency period was real bad... Can u share some stories/ill-effects of emergency(perhaps on a new thread)?

    Still I will like next PM to be like Indira Gandhi in personality if not policies... Little agressive, proud, fearless, good orator, a lady(cherry on the cake but probably not possible in next election atleast)! Sushma Swaraj is perfect... She knows so many Indian Languages... from north-to-south... Her image is clear... She'll really connect with all the Indians... But probably she'll be considered for the post only when her grand-daughter will enter politics! lol

    One point u missed J4X about Indira Gandhi- Punjab riots/insurgency... a major failure!

    Quote Originally Posted by rupu1983 View Post
    We all know that time Jayaprakash Narayan was the opposition leader and over night(25/06/1975) he was arrested after emergency declare.Even i was not born that time all source is book and my mother(she teach my history from childhood).Yes i also condemn emergency and i think that time entire India support Narayan in anti-Indira movement.
    I didn't know that Jayaprakash Narayan was such a prominent figure for whole India at that time... I only knew he was a leader from Bihar during emergency and that he was my mum's fufa(uncle)...
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    But that time he was the famous opposition leader of parliament in India and i think we diverted now but still just remember what happen in Punjab in those days i don't want to enter such issue(very sensitive) but i still feel she took few over aggressive step looking to the future of country i think solve of that problem is the biggest justification of her decision.But still personally i believe she can take that problem lot better way rather than such military operation
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    Maybe... I don't know exactly what happened... but since it happened during her tenure... people say that she was also responsible for it!

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    As I said in my post, Indira Gandhi plunged the nation into greater darkness by implementing the fundamentals of the license raj. She deeply compounded the follies of her illustrious father. Nehru's sociallistic policies were a failure. Such policies curb the natural creativity of man. Instead highly inefficient state owned companies were created. These were nothing but employment guaranteed organization. Words like accountability, profit, natural wealth creation, responsibility, efficiency, output, etc. all lost meaning.

    Indira Gandhi went further and pushed India into a deeper mess. Nationalisation of banks was a prime example. All those banks that were making a profit now became the monuments of corruption. The License Raj , MRTP, CAFEPOSA, MISA, etc. brought in corruption. The caused a brain drain. A Doctor had to wait for a year to get his license to practice. Naturally, bribery was the way out. The Lincese system said that you could not manufacture as much as you like or how much the consumer wanted or as per the market demand - the state dictated that figure. So iwhen my father wanted a scooter, he was told, pay the booking amount and come back after 12 years!

    India began with a great hope in 1950s. That hope turned into worry in 1960s. In 1970s and 1980s, it turned to crisis and hopelessness. Even today, we feel that we cannot change the system (for any issue) - we feel that it is hopeless and pointless. The generations of 1970s and 1980s failed to create the wealth. Wealth creation was looked at badly.

    The young generation of India is very fortunate that they are born in the late 80s and saw the benefits of open economy. What should have been done in the late 70s or early 80s was done in 1991 when the nation had no option and was sitting on bankruptcy. If that had not been the case, we would not have seen the open ecomony even today.

    Today the young person still wants to go to America or the west to earn money but they like to return back. In the 70s and 80s, it was a one way street. The best minds of the country left the nation because they could not wait 8 years for a telephone, 10+ years for a scooter, 2 hours in queue for each and everything, etc.

    A generation was lost!!! And I blame Indira Gandhi for this. Perhaps all this is in posterity and hindsight and in hindsight you can blame a lot of thing on someone else; but maybe that is also why I am not a leader. Leadership is all about future vision, looking forward and creating a path for prosperity.
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    Indira Gandhi went further and pushed India into a deeper mess. Nationalisation of banks was a prime example. All those banks that were making a profit now became the monuments of corruption.
    Before reply I have just consult with my father in the early morning (in charge of Invest & finance department UBI head office in India) only last year few National Bank did lose(but overall they run in profit) and 99-00 Bank started to profited bank is not running in loss now.It's not true that before nationalization bank were very good lots of Bank were runing in loss that time.In that movement Bank of Baroda & Canara Bank is in very good position.
    Even opposition never blame for nationalization of bank.
    Benefit
    1.Lot security of common middle class people (just ask majority of Indian)
    2.Govt. income is much more increase after nationaztion of Bank.
    3.We know how private bank behavior with those person who failed to give the installment of loan.
    4.Lot of security increase of job for the employ.
    Any one can say Govt. undertaking Bank is a 'monuments of corruption' just see his/her local Branch manger/clerk but the fact at that moment Bank overall worker doing lot better and punctual job rather than other few state Govt. department.
    [I saw my father is doing job even 7:30 PM 2 and half hour extra only for pressure of work no extra money for that]
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    Banks have run into profit only after the 90s. This was due to open economic policies. The nationalized banks had two classes of employees - officers and grade II workers. Officers worked hard while grade II workers (part of the union) rarely worked.

    1. Prior to the 90s, no bank gave loan to common people. That is why an institution like HDFC became very popular because they disturbed loans without beauracratic delays.

    2. The Nationalized banks had to give loans to dubious people with political connections. These became NPAs.

    3. Private banks are not saints. But a bank is not supposed to be charitable organization.

    4. Job security is fine but that should not give rise to inefficiency.

    Nationalization did bring some benefits as well. But it is my firm opinion that it is not the job of the government to run businesses and industries. This should be left to the experts. The job of the Government is to govern, form policies that benefit people (not populist measures), bring in legislation, bring control where control is necessary and unshackle chains where they are curbing the growth.

    From 1950s to 1980s, India grew at an average of 3% and we were always blaming our problems and poverty on the British.
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    Indira Gandhi was the famous personality in India her decision making power & good future vision create her a great PM although her all decision is not the above of controversy couple of wrong step she has taken but still in my opinion she was the best prime minster up to date and Now I am clearly explaining the reason
    She started her political carrier as information & broadcast minister(1964) within two year she became prime minister after sudden death of Lal Bahadur Shastri she became India’s prime minister in India(1966). Now I am trying to make the summery of her period work
    Garebe Hatao and Green revolution -Lots of person thought that Green revolution did Lal Bhadur Sashtri he stared the project that true but he did not do much in his 2 year period of prime minister actual Green revolution has done in Punjab at the time of Indira Gandhi. She spoke in UN that poverty is the biggest polluter.

    Nationalization of Bank – 1969 Indira Gandhi did Nationalization of Bank it helps India lots for progress.
    Now not only for job security it’s reliable for middle class people in this economical crisis her decision helps lot to protect our economy. Banking is not only for profit it also for the help of the rural and agricultural help now some one can tell about HDFC bank just we want to know how much this private bank did to increase the development of India, if India’s rural picture made little difference then this national bank help lot.

    Condition of poor people- In her time Indian BPL list has changed in 1973 where 54% in BPL list in 1983 it reduced to 42% (source P Chidambaram statement).

    Simla Agreement- Simla agreement with Zulfikar Ali Bhutto it gave a settlement in Kasmir disput.

    Bangladesh freedom fight – She help Bangladesh(1971) to free from Pakistan where lot of Bengali speaking people facing the torture of Pakistan Govt. India’s this step reduce Pakistan power from south asia and it’s also humanitarian step.

    Won the 1971 war-India won the battle in Rajasthan border only by few militants in her time.

    Success in space- Rakesh Sharma was the first Indian who travels in space in 1984

    India become nuclear power- In 1974 India first tests successfully nuclear weapon in Pokhran and India become nuclear power.

    Future thinking- First time she try to create law for family planning to see the population rate in India but she couldn’t do it because lot of protest .Now we are feeling that population is India’s most big problem.

    Emergency the historical blunder- This is the most negative work in her time the declaration of emergency(June,1975) by pressuring president Fakhruddin Ali Ahmed that was the fascist decision of her and she got the lesson in next election(1977).

    Controversial operation Blue star --We know that in that period Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale one of Khalistani leader demanding new free Khalistan. In June 1984 She gave the decision to commander to Major Kuldeep Singh Brar (this Kuldeep singh is hero of 1971 Indo-Pak war we saw his character in the movie Border did Sunny Deol) to military attack on the holy Golden temple .I feel She could tackle it other way but still She just try to finish the problem. Few people like Major Kuldeep Singh believe necessary step she had taken. Please read his opinion

    But still I feel Indira Gandhi killed the humanity at that stage and its dark episode of Indian politics.

    What ever her period is good or bad I will still remember her as a great personality and good prime minster like in history I remember asoka not for Kanliga war he became famous for peace.
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    Don't go by myths. The best candidate for PM is the one with vision. He need not be a first rank, or have a doctorate. he need not be an expert in a particular field. actually being an expert in a field is a drawback. He will be biased and fail to see many things.

    Our PM should be a leader, not a manager. A manager make you do things, we do it ourselves for a leader.

    if you check, our PM has a very good administrative board. A council of ministers who actually represent various ideologies like parties, regions, languages, cast, religion. You will find almost all category.

    next, he can access a panel of experts called secretaries. A secretary will be an expert in his field. with at least 25 years experience.

    PM should be capable to understand the ideas they present. He should be acceptable to all groups.

    I think A B Vajpayee would have been a good choice. Unfortunately he is not in the race.

    If you see road development plans, they actually helped us all in person and the nation as a whole. If you can travel and transport goods in a reduced time frame, it can give more than you imagine. Simply think the change cell phones brought. roads can give similar output.

    and, i have nothing to do with a particular party.

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    Thats right... Situation after Vajpayee's government tenure was much better than it is now... Many highways were built or projects started in that time... Economy was booming...

    Current government has only made railways a profitable entity... And has brought in more quotas for OBCs etc in central universities(What was the need?)... Recession didn't help their case either...

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    yes BJP was surely better in that aspect...! one good deed which i liked the most during that time was Oil rates(Fuel). They had made the rule that if in international market oil rates go up then in India also it will go up, if it comes down then here also.. so no reason here to blame the Govt to increase or decrease the prices... but now its not there now the rate fixed by the Govt is final irrespective to the International market...!

    Comparison....
    when the oil was 160 USD per barrel in India the price was around 55 Rs/ltr now the oil is just 38 USD per barrel still in India the price is ~50 Rs/ltr.... just use the common sense and see how much Govt is eating in fuel....

    This is just in 1 sector there are many more...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rupu1983 View Post
    Indira Gandhi was the famous personality in India her decision making power & good future vision create her a great PM although her all decision is not the above of controversy couple of wrong step she has taken but still in my opinion she was the best prime minster up to date and Now I am clearly explaining the reason
    She started her political carrier as information & broadcast minister(1964) within two year she became prime minister after sudden death of Lal Bahadur Shastri she became India’s prime minister in India(1966). Now I am trying to make the summery of her period work
    Garebe Hatao and Green revolution -Lots of person thought that Green revolution did Lal Bhadur Sashtri he stared the project that true but he did not do much in his 2 year period of prime minister actual Green revolution has done in Punjab at the time of Indira Gandhi. She spoke in UN that poverty is the biggest polluter.

    Nationalization of Bank – 1969 Indira Gandhi did Nationalization of Bank it helps India lots for progress.
    Now not only for job security it’s reliable for middle class people in this economical crisis her decision helps lot to protect our economy. Banking is not only for profit it also for the help of the rural and agricultural help now some one can tell about HDFC bank just we want to know how much this private bank did to increase the development of India, if India’s rural picture made little difference then this national bank help lot.

    Condition of poor people- In her time Indian BPL list has changed in 1973 where 54% in BPL list in 1983 it reduced to 42% (source P Chidambaram statement).

    Simla Agreement- Simla agreement with Zulfikar Ali Bhutto it gave a settlement in Kasmir disput.

    Bangladesh freedom fight – She help Bangladesh(1971) to free from Pakistan where lot of Bengali speaking people facing the torture of Pakistan Govt. India’s this step reduce Pakistan power from south asia and it’s also humanitarian step.

    Won the 1971 war-India won the battle in Rajasthan border only by few militants in her time.

    Success in space- Rakesh Sharma was the first Indian who travels in space in 1984

    India become nuclear power- In 1974 India first tests successfully nuclear weapon in Pokhran and India become nuclear power.

    Future thinking- First time she try to create law for family planning to see the population rate in India but she couldn’t do it because lot of protest .Now we are feeling that population is India’s most big problem.

    Emergency the historical blunder- This is the most negative work in her time the declaration of emergency(June,1975) by pressuring president Fakhruddin Ali Ahmed that was the fascist decision of her and she got the lesson in next election(1977).

    Controversial operation Blue star --We know that in that period Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale one of Khalistani leader demanding new free Khalistan. In June 1984 She gave the decision to commander to Major Kuldeep Singh Brar (this Kuldeep singh is hero of 1971 Indo-Pak war we saw his character in the movie Border did Sunny Deol) to military attack on the holy Golden temple .I feel She could tackle it other way but still She just try to finish the problem. Few people like Major Kuldeep Singh believe necessary step she had taken. Please read his opinion

    But still I feel Indira Gandhi killed the humanity at that stage and its dark episode of Indian politics.

    What ever her period is good or bad I will still remember her as a great personality and good prime minster like in history I remember asoka not for Kanliga war he became famous for peace.
    rupu, You have attributed a lot of praises to Mrs. Gandhi. But I am much afraid that she deserves very little of the accolades.

    Garribi Hatao: What an absolute bull $hit! Nothing but an election slogan that fooled a lot of people. I will not say more. India's BPL percent has improved because of some right policies that were brought in in the early 90s. And Congress or any other party cannot take credit for the same. In fact, for the politicians, it suits them to have a mass poor vote bank. Rich (or middle class) people get educated and educate people think and they think what is best for them.

    Green Revolution: Green revolution was started in 1968 and achieved in 1971. Should I say any more?

    Simla Agreement: Settlement of Kashmir issue! Really? Simla Agreement was nothing but a blunder. It achieved nothing.

    Bangladesh: It was inevitable. India helped. Do you know that Gen. Manekshaw (as he then was), walked into Mrs. Gandhi's room and gave a very grim picture of the state of affairs. It was then, Mrs. Gandhi agreed to do something. But Pakistan attacked on Dec. 3, 1971 on the western front and then war was a given decision.

    Operation Blue Star: This was her own doing. As I was telling itsmemad the other day. Mrs. Gandhi and Zail Singh created the 'Bhasmasur' in the form of Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale to check the advent of the Akali Dal in Punjab.

    She did have some positives though. Pokharan I was one of them. And she was iron willed. Alas, that become her legacy as well.
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    yes i totally agree with J4K its correct.... congress has always watched their profit first.... when Ind and Pak war began in 1971 Ind had almost reached the heart of pakistan but as a wish to win the world peace award Mrs.Gandhi gave back the province back to pak's ( i dont blame for that) but in the mean while pak also captured a piece of Kashmir and till today that province is known as POK (Pakistan Occupied Kashmir) what did she do about that.......? NOTHING and till today we are having the headache of it....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manish View Post
    I want to add here something:

    I seriously want that "Quota" system in our country should be ruled out... Every person from any caste, religion should be considered equal. If govt. want to help some backward tribes then they should help them in monetary terms e.g. the govt should give a healthy discount in fees to the candidates who can't pay it but fixing a percentage of seat, to me not acceptable...there is should quota for disabled people, families of soldiers who lost their lives on borders etc.

    I don't know how many of you will agree on this..
    Very well stated, i totally agree with you .. by providing this type of Quota facility many deserving candidiates don't get admission in good colleges, govt jobs etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by kirankumargb View Post
    yes i totally agree with J4K its correct.... congress has always watched their profit first.... when Ind and Pak war began in 1971 Ind had almost reached the heart of pakistan but as a wish to win the world peace award Mrs.Gandhi gave back the province back to pak's ( i dont blame for that) but in the mean while pak also captured a piece of Kashmir and till today that province is known as POK (Pakistan Occupied Kashmir) what did she do about that.......? NOTHING and till today we are having the headache of it....

    Although I also believe most of the party think first their own interest but still any one can blame Mrs.Ghandhi for POK but still i think Pak occupied kashmir at the 1947-48 so it's the mistake of J.Neheru more than the Mrs.Gandhi.

    Quote Originally Posted by Manish View Post
    I want to add here something:

    I seriously want that "Quota" system in our country should be ruled out... Every person from any caste, religion should be considered equal.
    I never agree with Manish and this may be off topic and I have already posted lots reply on that topic so i don't want to post more after this

    i want to say only one think that quota system is implemented because of
    the participation of the every society in all sector of country and another think this method not a new and not a solitary thing of India.If anyone look at the world wide then like in games also this process is applying in entire world look at the World Cup football where if Asian quota is not applied by the FIFA then no Asian country would get chance in world cup most of the European country would play that games same case present for Olympic also.Now question is Japan, Korea (although they have wonderful infrastructure like Europe) they get the benefit of this reservation but still it's applied for participation of all sector it can inspire that community or area and which will eventually help the progress.
    Finally may be the new quote will be introduce that 33% seat reservation for women in parliament( may be in 15th Loksabha) i also agree with that may be that mean we can loss few good male MP in parliament but it will open another area of the society may it will also inspire the women to participate in Indian politics.
    [In last Lokshabha election(2004) only 45 women candidate elected(only 355 contestant) in total 543 seats that mean only 8.2% women MP present in Lokshabha]
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    Quote Originally Posted by just4kix View Post
    rupu, You have attributed a lot of praises to Mrs. Gandhi. But I am much afraid that she deserves very little of the accolades.

    Garribi Hatao: What an absolute bull $hit! Nothing but an election slogan that fooled a lot of people. I will not say more. India's BPL percent has improved because of some right policies that were brought in in the early 90s.
    BPL percentage down by steadily and we all need to give credit Indira Gandhi also then check the report is it only "fake slogan of vote" or she did something.

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    source-Planning Commission of India

    But sorry to say in last 5 years nothing has changed in 2004-05 this BPL percentage is 27.5% and almost same in this time also.

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    Yes, we should not cease giving reservations. But make sure they reach the right candidate. What is the creamy layer now? 3.5 LAKHS per annum?

    I am amused to learn somebody who earns 30,000 per month is backward and needs some kind of boosting to come to main stream. Speaking the truth, "money is power", may you be forward, backward, christian, muslim sikh or anything, you have money, there are people who will help you.

    We give reservations in education and jobs. An engineering seat at Tamilnadu or bangalore may cost max 1.5 lakhs these days. When you earn 3.5 lakhs, do you really need quota. When you have money, you got influential friends........jobs?

    Please leave these slots to those who really need it. I hear people praise a lot about communists. But they were for this increase in creamy layer. Savior of poor????????

    One party likes giving quotas to muslims, other opposes it. But nobody has problem with allotting them who earns 3.5 lakhs.

    I know a lot of students who could have done better if somebody was ready to spend money on their fees. Make a rule. When somebody applies for quota, first give it to one with lesser income.

    Be it saffron or other , why your PM candidate is mum about this? Give quota to muslims, backwards, forwards anyone you like. but make sure they deserves it. Come with a policy, that is how you help poor.

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    Previously PV Narsimharao gave good administration. Now, I think Narendra Modi waves are going in India. It is better Rahul should learn some points from Indira Gandhi and Rajiv, how to run party and India. He is just using their names in his speech, but not following them.

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    Sorry.. Learn what from Indira and Rajiv?

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    Sorry.. Learn what from Indira and Rajiv?
    EDIT: lol I think I should remove these strong words, in our so called democracy I might go behind bars


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    Ooooooooo
    Thats some strong words. I dont agree or disagree. It is just that we cannot say stuff in public else I would come up with words that are not even in the dictionaries and also invent some of my own. I get very creative when it is about Neru-Fardoon family... oh Nehru-Gandhi as we know them now

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