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ShAdOwCoN

The problem with quota system is that it is very easy to change your caste ...

I know very some of my friends who were very effluent people belonging to the Frwd caste who changed their quota to BC/OBC just to get into this reservation category ......

And its not possible to verify every one's economic status ... if you can bribe an official to change your caste , surely you can bribe an official to change your status ?

I heard about a new party forming ... yet to officially open

Known as People's Professional Party of India

The Cheesy name apart , they sound very promising and the party members seem to be educated people ... we ll wait and watch

rupu1983

In this days it's not easy to change the caste in legal way because if anyone want caste certificate then at first he has to submit father, grand father certificate at first(it's must) and also a letter from local MLA or chairman of the municipality.Now in case of OBC it's not necessary submit fathers certificate because that not possible in case of OBC.OBC reservation started in the base of Mandal(B. P. Mandal) Commission report(1980) which is relatively new so may be distinguish a OBC candidate from a general is little hard.
But i can't say about any illegal process because this process is always easiest.

ShAdOwCoN

i did not know it was possible to change your caste in a legal way

so i did nt bother to mention that they took the shortcut ......

What i am implying is that its really easy to manipulate this quota system ... and generally only by well off people [bribes , connections etc]
so the people who were originally meant to receive this benefits , continue suffering

aashaka_gandhi

well as per me....Narendra Modi would act as a best PM.....we ve seen him work around in gujarat. He is a learned man n a gr8 orator...! there r loads of qualities in him which would suit to be the PM...! Apart from that the leadership qualities he has is jus too good. I ve heard him once n damn it.....i was all lost...in his speech! has got an amazing personality...!!!!

Plus one more thing which is required is no corruption at all levels.....specially higher levels as its max on there....!

rupu1983

Yes one mistake is present in my comment but i think you can understand what i try to say i mean that in this days anyone can't get cast certificate easily lots of document is needed to get a certificate(not changing cast) of genuine person. You comment that anybody can change their cast explain it how can they change cast unless any illegal method.
Now one think i want to say rules are always general how many genuine person get the benefit of this rule this question will always arise like any other rule(example IPC 498 A) if we can eliminate every person(who deserve reservation) then it's very good but it's impossible so we don't have other option.

Yes as a CM Modi got the susses at least in economic point of view but don't forget CM and PM both are totally different(jobs are totally different like opposite) another think we all know India has 28 states and 7 union territories i don't think Modi's acceptance is present in most of other states and we all know why

prasannaganesh

oops sorry for the late reply.
i just now noticed.
I mean to ask, the people you wish to see as PM and their unique character, which makes them special.

i support you with open heart.

Dragon

Thanks mate, we need guys like you

nilact

According to me PM should have following characteristics:

-> He should be literate, not necessary he should know english but yes he should know Hindi, our national language.
-> He should have sympathy for poor and love for his country.
-> He should know the importance of technology.
-> There should not be any reservation stuff and all are at equal level.
-> Most important : He should have vision to make India superpower.
-> who makes our country corruption free.

and yes i agree with one of the post that one person can not do all these things but yes together we can do it and he should have ability to make his vision, country's vision.

And i strongly disagree with people who think that NAMO can become good PM. He's just good speaker but not good leader. He's just the power of speech. He's fond of publicity only and people will come to know about his other side when his time will be over. (My intention is not to hurt anyone who supports him, these are my personal views about CM of our state)

And if anyone want to know the qualities of PM then he should read Ignited Mind of APJ Abdul kalam..

Thank You..

Evander Leopold

Let me analyze that for u :
-> He should be literate, not necessary he should know english but yes he should know Hindi, our national language. ( Havent we made enough fool of ourselves already that u want to make a blazing idiot our PM )

-> He should have sympathy for poor and love for his country. ( we can import someone from the vatican, they have lots of love to give )

-> He should know the importance of technology. ( good point, that leaves the communists out )

-> There should not be any reservation stuff and all are at equal level. ( the guy has got to be suicidal to implement that thought )

-> Most important : He should have vision to make India superpower. ( Hmmm, lets just start with gaining some powers first )

-> who makes our country corruption free. ( who at least "tries" to make our country corruption free )


Nice thoughts buddy. But the only guy who comes to mind from that description of yours was traded by our glorified leaders like a box of darjeeling tea, more than 50 years ago.

rupu1983

This is very easy to say that we are all equal but real fact is that Indian society is totally divided in cast still lots of person are victim of this whether in city or village lots person telling that we are equal because of their own interest and reservation is not new and unique in India all over the world(most of the part) this process has taken to create equal of each and every society and cast.

nilact

Hi Evander Leopold,
Let me elaborate myself to you.
For my fist point:
Why do we love anything foreign inspite of having our own culture, capabilities whereas other countries stick to their own culture, language? Though English is International language, Japan is the country that uses their own language, culture and everything and still much ahead of India. Another Example is China. And if you think that PM who doesn’t know English but Hindi is an idiot (the word you used), then you should rethink. Recently one of the delegates from Kenya at Vibrant Gujarat delivered in his own speech rather than English. (My thought: Everything should be Indian whether it is language, culture etc)
I am not opposing English to be accepted as one of the language. It should be used for international correspondence.
Second Point:
Yes of course you can invite any one, but point here’s that he should proud of his own country. He should do the real work (remove poverty by understanding the needs of poor people and he can do that thing only if he’s sympathy for them).
Third Point:
Since the last sixty years, India has been a developing country. It means economically it is not strong, socially it is not stable, in security aspects it is not self reliant and that is why it is called developing country. How do we transform a developing country in to a developed country in next twenty years? We have 5 areas to transform India:
Education, Healthcare, Agriculture, Information and communication, Infrastructure and critical Technology.
Fourth & Fifth Point:
the guy has got to be suicidal to implement that thought
ha ha..Then whom do you call real leader, if it is not possible. The most important and urgent task before our leadership is to get all the forces for constructive change together and deploy them in a mission mode and for that he must have vision. He must have the ability to make others join their endeavor to convert dreams in to reality. (What everyone is expecting from Barack Obama).
Sixth Point:
Still today there are some people who try for that. They are making each and every effort to remove corruption and I am one of them. Those who don’t believe themselves can’t do so.

Again these are my personal thoughts, not necessary that you agree to it. I am posting this in bit hurry so ignore any grammatical mistake..By the way it’s a good discussion with you Mr. Sumit Kumar Ghosh. Have a great time..3/\/J0!

ShAdOwCoN

My thoughts on point No1

[already stated in previous posts of mine]
He should know fluent Hindi as well as English ....... This is not about Patriotism or Loving anything that is Foreign ..... The chief necessity for a PM is to negotiate deals/agreements etc with the leaders of Other countries .... As English happens to be a universal language [understood by very many people] its a very useful language to learn ..... Having a translator for everything really sucks .....

About the Japanese PM ... i read an article a while back in which the Japanese PM was stated as having said that he wished he could speak English as well as Dr ManMohan Singh [who is not an Englishman by birth like him].... And there is no relation to Chinese economy's advancement and the Chinese PM not knowing English [Remember we r talking about the PM not the people]

prasannaganesh

i need a PM who loves the country more than his party,money and his own post.

Evander Leopold

easy, easy, nilact no offence meant towards you. trust me, its feels rather great to see someone who wants an ideal/proper PM (who can do some work for real progress visible to the eye in the fields u mentioned ), unlike the ones we usually have.
My point was, I have heard such talks so much that lately I have begun to see Terry Pratchett as an author of modern history. Let me assure you once again that nothing would delight me more than a good PM. But, can we really get one ?

NO, WE CAN'T.

Why not ? because a pyramid cant stand erect without a base. And to create a decent base we need many decent stone slabs. We dont have that many good individuals in politics to back up that ideal guy u want as a PM. If they hear about such a guy, they will kill him while he is still in his mom's womb. Well, that sounded a bit tacky but trust me, thats the way things are everywhere. And there is absolutely no way to rebuild this entire system. This is true for every nation/country. Think of the countries as machines. India is one with too many crooked parts installed by the brits and others filths who invaded this place. We didnt have enough time (or qualified people) to stamp out those parts and reorganize the whole system before BOOTING it. So, we are still running with it.



by the way, how did u know my name ?

Gary4gar

In recent pasts, i have liked Atal Bihari as a PM.

that was good, IMO

prasannaganesh

exactly what i thought..

but i still have faith to change my mother land.
don't you?.

the "faith" will let us all to reach the destiny we love.

prasannaganesh

i loved your narration,

so lets start now to rework the base, then the peak will be reached soon by us.

Evander Leopold

Thats the spirit , thats exactly my point. The issue of an ideal PM is only applicable in case of an ideal country. and a country is nothing but a crappy piece of land without its inhabitants. As long as we are not shaping ourselves as model citizens, the ideal PM will never be born.

rupu1983

Shadowcon can you give an example where other European people(Spanish,French,German,Italian,Portuguese) learning english (frace-jac chirac,Russia-Vladimir putin) they will never talk in English but they build developed country and they made the deal/agreement also and most of the Latin American never know English
another answer please give me anyone first why scientific names are in Latin ? (generally Europeans read the English as foreign language category)

panchabhut

Before we can ask for the ideal PM, we must first be the ideal citizen. In a democratic set-up it is not only the right but also the duty of every citizen to exercise their votes. But statistics show that not even half of the so called educated and enlightened Indians bother to go to the polling booth.
Dr. APJ was the first Indian President ever to have exercised his voting rights while in office.
How can we get the better (IDEAL is a long way to go) PM if we do not even bother to vote for him.