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    Thumbs up The best prime minister of our country.

    If you want to say, “He is the best prime minister”, then what quality do you expect from him?
    Just list your desire about our future leader.

    plz dont read and go back without posting any comment.

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    are u talkin about people i have seen as PM or people i wish to see as PM ???

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    I would like PM who can give a speach without looking at a peice of paper and can speak good Hindi and English both.
    Need a PM who is Charismatic like Obama and Hillary and doesnt have a verbal diaoria like Gillani and Zardari of Pakistan... Need some one with a straight head.

    A PM who can lead this country and get internal security better then Isreal does.

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    I believe that Narendra Modi can make a good PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Admin View Post
    I would like PM who can give a speach without looking at a peice of paper and can speak good Hindi and English both.
    Need a PM who is Charismatic like Obama and Hillary and doesnt have a verbal diaoria like Gillani and Zardari of Pakistan... Need some one with a straight head.

    A PM who can lead this country and get internal security better then Isreal does.
    Where did u meet me ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Admin View Post
    A PM who can lead this country and get internal security better then Isreal does.
    Yes may be true but practically it's not possible.Govt. can't provide enough shelter and food to the all Indians so many people are still under the BPL list how can it possible to provide security to the all people and also the country like India where population is huge.
    And another think in every sector has lot of unprofessional and corrupted worker is present it's not possible for any single person to change the scenario.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evander Leopold View Post
    Where did u meet me ???
    Oh Mr. Zardari, we are sick of you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Admin View Post
    A PM who can lead this country and get internal security better then Isreal does.
    I was watching a show on the Discovery Channel "Future Weapons"....
    My God!!! Israel have some of THE most advanced weapons... :gunsmilie:
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    They also have the worst lunatics running their country, closely followed by the Palestinians.
    [ but really, they know how to make guns.............. Desert Eagle, UZI ...... u just name it ]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rameshjeee View Post
    I was watching a show on the Discovery Channel "Future Weapons"....
    My God!!! Israel have some of THE most advanced weapons... :gunsmilie:
    Aye Israel , UK and US make some of the most advanced weapons

    I love that show

    My kinda PM

    -->One who is a good orator [English and Hindi]
    -->One who dresses smartly [whatever he wears]
    A leader should look like a leader , huh?
    -->One who has the fire in his heart to achieve what he believes will help develop our country
    -->one who is merciless towards the corrupt
    -->Hard working
    -->One who is above petty politics/mud slinging/party centric
    -->One who takes responsibility for his actions rather than blamin opposition party / neighbouring countries
    [India's security is not pak's responsibility ]
    -->One who is proactive and not reactive ..... [one who realises that country's security is in peril before a 9/11 or a 26/11 type attack]
    -->One who cares for all sections of the society and moots proper laws
    -->One who properly knows History/Geography/Law /Environmental Science
    -->And most importantly one who does not belong to BJP , Congress , and all their allied parties .... As all the above is not possible if they do
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    @shadow
    DITTO, gr8 points. rep awarded.

    and I must add that the parties u mentioned (along with all the current ones I know about ) are really bad for our morale. one is constantly trying to disbalance ( doesnt matter how much they deny, their association with HINDU mobsters make em a threat too ) the basic concept behind INDIA, the other I blame for killing most of the real heroes of our country and delaying our freedom. But this leaves us in a great dilemma. If there is no political party to trust, from where shall our saviour emerge ????
    Any ideas on that, anyone ?

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    I want to add here something:

    I seriously want that "Quota" system in our country should be ruled out... Every person from any caste, religion should be considered equal. If govt. want to help some backward tribes then they should help them in monetary terms e.g. the govt should give a healthy discount in fees to the candidates who can't pay it but fixing a percentage of seat, to me not acceptable...there is should quota for disabled people, families of soldiers who lost their lives on borders etc.

    I don't know how many of you will agree on this..

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    very true, we always brag about every religion, sex to be the same. then why would the quota system be there ? if government wants to do minorities a real favour without compromising our ethics, they should provide better education, health, housing system for them instead of such stupid asskissing for their vote-bank.

    PS: with u, as always.

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    I knew it you will always be there to support my words..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manish View Post
    I want to add here something:

    I seriously want that "Quota" system in our country should be ruled out... Every person from any caste, religion should be considered equal. If govt. want to help some backward tribes then they should help them in monetary terms e.g. the govt should give a healthy discount in fees to the candidates who can't pay it but fixing a percentage of seat, to me not acceptable...there is should quota for disabled people, families of soldiers who lost their lives on borders etc.

    I don't know how many of you will agree on this..
    After the big debate of reservation i think this question is arising most of the time but one think we must know still Indian society is very much divided luckily i have traveled few places in India not only in big cities but also few villages.Now what are think Manish where if you can give some money to the backward cast or you give some discount of tuition fee is that's every thing no no not at all.Still society is not accept them they have much restriction in society at they are not only backward for economical point of view they backward from social point of view also.I think we all can comment any thing but at first we all have to know their social status i saw a lower cast family's student how many work he does from the morning besides his education i talk few of them they said "my parents is not aware much about education" actually from family they never get any special opportunity where us i saw some upper class family where parents spend a sleepless night when his child gives any examination how can you compare the both student result in same manner.
    E.Leo you said about the vote bank policy may be true but if you want to blame any one then you have to blame at first the constitution.Because reservation is present in constitution.
    I saw the banner of "Youth for equality" (very good banner and India need equality in society also) to prevent the reservation of OBC but i never saw this banner before and after the episode when we saw often in news paper how humiliation is going to the backward cast and community also then we never find this banner again.Then I understand this equity is for a special purpose.
    Last thing do you know in India one act is present called Inter-cast marriage act where govt. encouraging people for inter-cast marriage and also gives some privilege to the couple and also protect them from the society but still this law did not make much success in the Indian society.

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    I agree to you rupu, but there is always a another side to look at.
    I have seen people who uses this "special reservation" quota right to get the jobs and does what...fcuk our nation whereever you go, hospitals, post offices, govt. offices you dont have to work hard to find them,they are everywhere. Okay i believe you there are some people from backwards class who are putting their everything to earn bread, i don't have any issues if the govt appoints them..but not every backward class who comes in the quota is poor

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    Maybe the quota system can be used in addition to evaluating a person's econimic situation. I've come accross people who are rich but belong to so called backward castes and hence given more priority over the deserving.

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    Yes may be it will be fine if it can possible to check whether every person he/she is eligible(enough backward in social and economical prospective) for reservation status or not but it is impossible(specially country like India) and also laws are in general in India.Now quota is also available in sex base also lots of sector where woman quota is present(like constitution seat) now how can any body distinguish who is a eligible woman.Reservation is applied for participation of all society in every sector but obviously it has some bad side effect(like every other law).In America reservation is present as nationality base (The Immigration Act of 1924) and in racial base also(Michigan University ) but obviously some economical criteria also present.
    Yes Manish you said right thing I saw lot of unprofessional worker in almost every govt sector but I don't know the cast and religion of them obviously i don't want to know that what cast they belong.Because........

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    Quote Originally Posted by newprouser View Post
    Maybe the quota system can be used in addition to evaluating a person's econimic situation. I've come accross people who are rich but belong to so called backward castes and hence given more priority over the deserving.
    Quote Originally Posted by rupu1983 View Post
    Yes may be it will be fine if it can possible to check whether every person he/she is eligible(enough backward in social and economical prospective) for reservation status or not but it is impossible(specially country like India) and also laws are in general in India.Now quota is also available in sex base also lots of sector where woman quota is present(like constitution seat) now how can any body distinguish who is a eligible woman.Reservation is applied for participation of all society in every sector but obviously it has some bad side effect(like every other law).In America reservation is present as nationality base (The Immigration Act of 1924) and in racial base also(Michigan University ) but obviously some economical criteria also present.
    Yes Manish you said right thing I saw lot of unprofessional worker in almost every govt sector but I don't know the cast and religion of them obviously i don't want to know that what cast they belong.Because........
    There we go...

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    The problem with quota system is that it is very easy to change your caste ...

    I know very some of my friends who were very effluent people belonging to the Frwd caste who changed their quota to BC/OBC just to get into this reservation category ......

    And its not possible to verify every one's economic status ... if you can bribe an official to change your caste , surely you can bribe an official to change your status ?

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    and I must add that the parties u mentioned (along with all the current ones I know about ) are really bad for our morale. one is constantly trying to disbalance ( doesnt matter how much they deny, their association with HINDU mobsters make em a threat too ) the basic concept behind INDIA, the other I blame for killing most of the real heroes of our country and delaying our freedom. But this leaves us in a great dilemma. If there is no political party to trust, from where shall our saviour emerge ????
    Any ideas on that, anyone ?
    I heard about a new party forming ... yet to officially open

    Known as People's Professional Party of India

    The Cheesy name apart , they sound very promising and the party members seem to be educated people ... we ll wait and watch
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShAdOwCoN View Post
    The problem with quota system is that it is very easy to change your caste ...

    I know very some of my friends who were very effluent people belonging to the Frwd caste who changed their quota to BC/OBC just to get into this reservation category ......
    In this days it's not easy to change the caste in legal way because if anyone want caste certificate then at first he has to submit father, grand father certificate at first(it's must) and also a letter from local MLA or chairman of the municipality.Now in case of OBC it's not necessary submit fathers certificate because that not possible in case of OBC.OBC reservation started in the base of Mandal(B. P. Mandal) Commission report(1980) which is relatively new so may be distinguish a OBC candidate from a general is little hard.
    But i can't say about any illegal process because this process is always easiest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rupu1983 View Post
    In this days it's not easy to change the caste in legal way because if anyone want caste certificate then at first he has to submit father, grand father certificate at first(it's must) and also a letter from local MLA or chairman of the municipality.Now in case of OBC it's not necessary submit fathers certificate because that not possible in case of OBC.OBC reservation started in the base of Mandal(B. P. Mandal) Commission report(1980) which is relatively new so may be distinguish a OBC candidate from a general is little hard.
    But i can't say about any illegal process because this process is always easiest.
    i did not know it was possible to change your caste in a legal way :confused1:

    so i did nt bother to mention that they took the shortcut ......

    What i am implying is that its really easy to manipulate this quota system ... and generally only by well off people [bribes , connections etc]
    so the people who were originally meant to receive this benefits , continue suffering

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    well as per me....Narendra Modi would act as a best PM.....we ve seen him work around in gujarat. He is a learned man n a gr8 orator...! there r loads of qualities in him which would suit to be the PM...! Apart from that the leadership qualities he has is jus too good. I ve heard him once n damn it.....i was all lost...in his speech! has got an amazing personality...!!!!

    Plus one more thing which is required is no corruption at all levels.....specially higher levels as its max on there....!
    Dont count wat u lost, cherish wat u ve & plan wat to gain...coz past neva returns but future may return the lost! Think-Decide-Act!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShAdOwCoN View Post
    I know very some of my friends who were very effluent people belonging to the Frwd caste who changed their quota to BC/OBC just to get into this reservation category


    i did not know it was possible to change your caste in a legal way :confused1:
    Yes one mistake is present in my comment but i think you can understand what i try to say i mean that in this days anyone can't get cast certificate easily lots of document is needed to get a certificate(not changing cast) of genuine person. You comment that anybody can change their cast explain it how can they change cast unless any illegal method.
    Now one think i want to say rules are always general how many genuine person get the benefit of this rule this question will always arise like any other rule(example IPC 498 A) if we can eliminate every person(who deserve reservation) then it's very good but it's impossible so we don't have other option.

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    well as per me....Narendra Modi would act as a best PM.....we ve seen him work around in gujarat. He is a learned man n a gr8 orator...! there r loads of qualities in him which would suit to be the PM...! Apart from that the leadership qualities he has is jus too good. I ve heard him once n damn it.....i was all lost...in his speech! has got an amazing personality...!!!!

    Plus one more thing which is required is no corruption at all levels.....specially higher levels as its max on there....!
    Yes as a CM Modi got the susses at least in economic point of view but don't forget CM and PM both are totally different(jobs are totally different like opposite) another think we all know India has 28 states and 7 union territories i don't think Modi's acceptance is present in most of other states and we all know why
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evander Leopold View Post
    are u talkin about people i have seen as PM or people i wish to see as PM ???
    oops sorry for the late reply.
    i just now noticed.
    I mean to ask, the people you wish to see as PM and their unique character, which makes them special.

    Quote Originally Posted by Manish View Post
    I want to add here something:

    I seriously want that "Quota" system in our country should be ruled out... Every person from any caste, religion should be considered equal. If govt. want to help some backward tribes then they should help them in monetary terms e.g. the govt should give a healthy discount in fees to the candidates who can't pay it but fixing a percentage of seat, to me not acceptable...there is should quota for disabled people, families of soldiers who lost their lives on borders etc.

    I don't know how many of you will agree on this..
    i support you with open heart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prasannaganesh View Post
    i support you with open heart.
    Thanks mate, we need guys like you

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    According to me PM should have following characteristics:

    -> He should be literate, not necessary he should know english but yes he should know Hindi, our national language.
    -> He should have sympathy for poor and love for his country.
    -> He should know the importance of technology.
    -> There should not be any reservation stuff and all are at equal level.
    -> Most important : He should have vision to make India superpower.
    -> who makes our country corruption free.

    and yes i agree with one of the post that one person can not do all these things but yes together we can do it and he should have ability to make his vision, country's vision.

    And i strongly disagree with people who think that NAMO can become good PM. He's just good speaker but not good leader. He's just the power of speech. He's fond of publicity only and people will come to know about his other side when his time will be over. (My intention is not to hurt anyone who supports him, these are my personal views about CM of our state)

    And if anyone want to know the qualities of PM then he should read Ignited Mind of APJ Abdul kalam..

    Thank You..

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    Quote Originally Posted by nilact View Post
    According to me PM should have following characteristics:

    -> He should be literate, not necessary he should know english but yes he should know Hindi, our national language.
    -> He should have sympathy for poor and love for his country.
    -> He should know the importance of technology.
    -> There should not be any reservation stuff and all are at equal level.
    -> Most important : He should have vision to make India superpower.
    -> who makes our country corruption free.

    and yes i agree with one of the post that one person can not do all these things but yes together we can do it and he should have ability to make his vision, country's vision.

    Let me analyze that for u :
    -> He should be literate, not necessary he should know english but yes he should know Hindi, our national language. ( Havent we made enough fool of ourselves already that u want to make a blazing idiot our PM )

    -> He should have sympathy for poor and love for his country. ( we can import someone from the vatican, they have lots of love to give )

    -> He should know the importance of technology. ( good point, that leaves the communists out )

    -> There should not be any reservation stuff and all are at equal level. ( the guy has got to be suicidal to implement that thought )

    -> Most important : He should have vision to make India superpower. ( Hmmm, lets just start with gaining some powers first )

    -> who makes our country corruption free. ( who at least "tries" to make our country corruption free )


    Nice thoughts buddy. But the only guy who comes to mind from that description of yours was traded by our glorified leaders like a box of darjeeling tea, more than 50 years ago.

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    This is very easy to say that we are all equal but real fact is that Indian society is totally divided in cast still lots of person are victim of this whether in city or village lots person telling that we are equal because of their own interest and reservation is not new and unique in India all over the world(most of the part) this process has taken to create equal of each and every society and cast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evander Leopold View Post
    Let me analyze that for u :
    -> He should be literate, not necessary he should know english but yes he should know Hindi, our national language. ( Havent we made enough fool of ourselves already that u want to make a blazing idiot our PM )

    -> He should have sympathy for poor and love for his country. ( we can import someone from the vatican, they have lots of love to give )

    -> He should know the importance of technology. ( good point, that leaves the communists out )

    -> There should not be any reservation stuff and all are at equal level. ( the guy has got to be suicidal to implement that thought )

    -> Most important : He should have vision to make India superpower. ( Hmmm, lets just start with gaining some powers first )

    -> who makes our country corruption free. ( who at least "tries" to make our country corruption free )


    Nice thoughts buddy. But the only guy who comes to mind from that description of yours was traded by our glorified leaders like a box of darjeeling tea, more than 50 years ago.
    Hi Evander Leopold,
    Let me elaborate myself to you.
    For my fist point:
    Why do we love anything foreign inspite of having our own culture, capabilities whereas other countries stick to their own culture, language? Though English is International language, Japan is the country that uses their own language, culture and everything and still much ahead of India. Another Example is China. And if you think that PM who doesn’t know English but Hindi is an idiot (the word you used), then you should rethink. Recently one of the delegates from Kenya at Vibrant Gujarat delivered in his own speech rather than English. (My thought: Everything should be Indian whether it is language, culture etc)
    I am not opposing English to be accepted as one of the language. It should be used for international correspondence.
    Second Point:
    Yes of course you can invite any one, but point here’s that he should proud of his own country. He should do the real work (remove poverty by understanding the needs of poor people and he can do that thing only if he’s sympathy for them).
    Third Point:
    Since the last sixty years, India has been a developing country. It means economically it is not strong, socially it is not stable, in security aspects it is not self reliant and that is why it is called developing country. How do we transform a developing country in to a developed country in next twenty years? We have 5 areas to transform India:
    Education, Healthcare, Agriculture, Information and communication, Infrastructure and critical Technology.
    Fourth & Fifth Point:
    the guy has got to be suicidal to implement that thought
    ha ha..Then whom do you call real leader, if it is not possible. The most important and urgent task before our leadership is to get all the forces for constructive change together and deploy them in a mission mode and for that he must have vision. He must have the ability to make others join their endeavor to convert dreams in to reality. (What everyone is expecting from Barack Obama).
    Sixth Point:
    Still today there are some people who try for that. They are making each and every effort to remove corruption and I am one of them. Those who don’t believe themselves can’t do so.

    Again these are my personal thoughts, not necessary that you agree to it. I am posting this in bit hurry so ignore any grammatical mistake..By the way it’s a good discussion with you Mr. Sumit Kumar Ghosh. Have a great time..3/\/J0!

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    My thoughts on point No1

    [already stated in previous posts of mine]
    He should know fluent Hindi as well as English ....... This is not about Patriotism or Loving anything that is Foreign ..... The chief necessity for a PM is to negotiate deals/agreements etc with the leaders of Other countries .... As English happens to be a universal language [understood by very many people] its a very useful language to learn ..... Having a translator for everything really sucks .....

    About the Japanese PM ... i read an article a while back in which the Japanese PM was stated as having said that he wished he could speak English as well as Dr ManMohan Singh [who is not an Englishman by birth like him].... And there is no relation to Chinese economy's advancement and the Chinese PM not knowing English [Remember we r talking about the PM not the people]

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    i need a PM who loves the country more than his party,money and his own post.

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    easy, easy, nilact no offence meant towards you. trust me, its feels rather great to see someone who wants an ideal/proper PM (who can do some work for real progress visible to the eye in the fields u mentioned ), unlike the ones we usually have.
    My point was, I have heard such talks so much that lately I have begun to see Terry Pratchett as an author of modern history. Let me assure you once again that nothing would delight me more than a good PM. But, can we really get one ?

    NO, WE CAN'T.

    Why not ? because a pyramid cant stand erect without a base. And to create a decent base we need many decent stone slabs. We dont have that many good individuals in politics to back up that ideal guy u want as a PM. If they hear about such a guy, they will kill him while he is still in his mom's womb. Well, that sounded a bit tacky :lol: but trust me, thats the way things are everywhere. And there is absolutely no way to rebuild this entire system. This is true for every nation/country. Think of the countries as machines. India is one with too many crooked parts installed by the brits and others filths who invaded this place. We didnt have enough time (or qualified people) to stamp out those parts and reorganize the whole system before BOOTING it. So, we are still running with it.



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    In recent pasts, i have liked Atal Bihari as a PM.

    that was good, IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evander Leopold View Post
    easy, easy, nilact no offence meant towards you. trust me, its feels rather great to see someone who wants an ideal/proper PM (who can do some work for real progress visible to the eye in the fields u mentioned ), unlike the ones we usually have.
    My point was, I have heard such talks so much that lately I have begun to see Terry Pratchett as an author of modern history. Let me assure you once again that nothing would delight me more than a good PM. But, can we really get one ?

    NO, WE CAN'T.

    Why not ? because a pyramid cant stand erect without a base. And to create a decent base we need many decent stone slabs. We dont have that many good individuals in politics to back up that ideal guy u want as a PM. If they hear about such a guy, they will kill him while he is still in his mom's womb. Well, that sounded a bit tacky :lol: but trust me, thats the way things are everywhere. And there is absolutely no way to rebuild this entire system. This is true for every nation/country. Think of the countries as machines. India is one with too many crooked parts installed by the brits and others filths who invaded this place. We didnt have enough time (or qualified people) to stamp out those parts and reorganize the whole system before BOOTING it. So, we are still running with it.
    exactly what i thought..

    but i still have faith to change my mother land.
    don't you?.

    the "faith" will let us all to reach the destiny we love.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evander Leopold View Post
    because a pyramid cant stand erect without a base. And to create a decent base we need many decent stone slabs. We dont have that many good individuals in politics to back up that ideal guy u want as a PM. If they hear about such a guy, they will kill him while he is still in his mom's womb. Well, that sounded a bit tacky
    i loved your narration,

    so lets start now to rework the base, then the peak will be reached soon by us.

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    Thats the spirit , thats exactly my point. The issue of an ideal PM is only applicable in case of an ideal country. and a country is nothing but a crappy piece of land without its inhabitants. As long as we are not shaping ourselves as model citizens, the ideal PM will never be born.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShAdOwCoN View Post
    My thoughts on point No1

    [already stated in previous posts of mine]
    He should know fluent Hindi as well as English ....... This is not about Patriotism or Loving anything that is Foreign ..... The chief necessity for a PM is to negotiate deals/agreements etc with the leaders of Other countries .... As English happens to be a universal language [understood by very many people] its a very useful language to learn ..... Having a translator for everything really sucks .....

    About the Japanese PM ... i read an article a while back in which the Japanese PM was stated as having said that he wished he could speak English as well as Dr ManMohan Singh [who is not an Englishman by birth like him].... And there is no relation to Chinese economy's advancement and the Chinese PM not knowing English [Remember we r talking about the PM not the people]
    Shadowcon can you give an example where other European people(Spanish,French,German,Italian,Portuguese) learning english (frace-jac chirac,Russia-Vladimir putin) they will never talk in English but they build developed country and they made the deal/agreement also and most of the Latin American never know English
    another answer please give me anyone first why scientific names are in Latin ? (generally Europeans read the English as foreign language category)
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    Before we can ask for the ideal PM, we must first be the ideal citizen. In a democratic set-up it is not only the right but also the duty of every citizen to exercise their votes. But statistics show that not even half of the so called educated and enlightened Indians bother to go to the polling booth.
    Dr. APJ was the first Indian President ever to have exercised his voting rights while in office.
    How can we get the better (IDEAL is a long way to go) PM if we do not even bother to vote for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rupu1983 View Post
    Shadowcon can you give an example where other European people(Spanish,French,German,Italian,Portuguese) learning english (frace-jac chirac,Russia-Vladimir putin) they will never talk in English but they build developed country and they made the deal/agreement also
    They built ?? I said the PM has to know English not the people ...... Do you know why France,Japan is not the world leader in spite of them being as good as Americans .

    Vladmir Putin
    Vladimir Putin is a smart guy . He speaks perfectly fluent English [without an accent] . who said he doesnt know English ??

    I too suggested over PM should know Hindi and English like Putin knows Russian and English .




    and most of the Latin American never know English
    What language do you think they speak in Latin America ?? :amazed:

    Spanish and Portuguese ....why so? Because they were formerly colonies of Spain and Portugal just like India was a colony of Britain

    another answer please give me anyone first why scientific names are in Latin ? (generally Europeans read the English as foreign language category)
    Because of 2 reasons

    1) Latin is the language of Rome where many ancient discoveries were made
    2) English is a Germanic language which also has a lot of Latin influence .so they were used unchanged in the English language

    France/spanish/Italian all have their roots in Latin ..... Latin is to Europe what Sanskrit is to India ..... And yet Hindi not sanskrit is our National language

    Likewise English not Latin is the universal language

    I hope u r not thinking that Latin is the language which originated in latin America

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    I say Putin never want to speak in English and just check the stat of Russsia & France how many people know English America is country where most of the European stayed(specially English man) from old age.
    Your reason can't explain is partially true but main thing why this old language ? where most of the person speak in English.Actually the main reason is most of the european country never want to accept the english as scientific name this big debate has only one solution to create it a old language and mother language
    I don't know why you are thinking Russia, Frace is not developed country and why every country should follow america ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rupu1983 View Post
    I say Putin never want to speak in English and just check the stat of Russsia & France how many people know English America is country where most of the European stayed(specially English man) from old age.
    We r not talking about the people ....... We r talking about the PM

    what i said from my previous post
    The chief necessity for a PM is to negotiate deals/agreements etc with the leaders of Other countries .... As English happens to be a universal language [understood by very many people] its a very useful language to learn ..... Having a translator for everything really sucks .....
    \so a PM needs to know English ...not talking about people here
    Putin does not like to speak English and yet he knows perfect English ...there is a good Reason heh?

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    The PM should definitely know english, because at some point we need unification in the languages. Something should be common between all of us. Otherwise it would be utter chaos. And what language can we think of in such a case except english ?

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    Just before i login here i read few European people comments on english language in BBC majority replied that no need of intermediate language both can easily talk with interpreter and also people will decide himself that which language they want to communicate each other.Don't think that i am very much agree with that comment but still personally i feel at least PM don't have much problem to talk with other country's person without knowledge of English if any one is very much eligible in other prospective then he/she can be good prime minister accept the knowledge of English also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShAdOwCoN View Post
    My thoughts on point No1

    [already stated in previous posts of mine]
    He should know fluent Hindi as well as English ....... This is not about Patriotism or Loving anything that is Foreign ..... The chief necessity for a PM is to negotiate deals/agreements etc with the leaders of Other countries .... As English happens to be a universal language [understood by very many people] its a very useful language to learn ..... Having a translator for everything really sucks .....

    About the Japanese PM ... i read an article a while back in which the Japanese PM was stated as having said that he wished he could speak English as well as Dr ManMohan Singh [who is not an Englishman by birth like him].... And there is no relation to Chinese economy's advancement and the Chinese PM not knowing English [Remember we r talking about the PM not the people]
    Please Go through my previous post, i already mentioned that english should be accepted for International correspondence. And of course it is about patriotism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evander Leopold View Post
    easy, easy, nilact no offence meant towards you. trust me, its feels rather great to see someone who wants an ideal/proper PM (who can do some work for real progress visible to the eye in the fields u mentioned ), unlike the ones we usually have.
    My point was, I have heard such talks so much that lately I have begun to see Terry Pratchett as an author of modern history. Let me assure you once again that nothing would delight me more than a good PM. But, can we really get one ?

    NO, WE CAN'T.

    Why not ? because a pyramid cant stand erect without a base. And to create a decent base we need many decent stone slabs. We dont have that many good individuals in politics to back up that ideal guy u want as a PM. If they hear about such a guy, they will kill him while he is still in his mom's womb. Well, that sounded a bit tacky :lol: but trust me, thats the way things are everywhere. And there is absolutely no way to rebuild this entire system. This is true for every nation/country. Think of the countries as machines. India is one with too many crooked parts installed by the brits and others filths who invaded this place. We didnt have enough time (or qualified people) to stamp out those parts and reorganize the whole system before BOOTING it. So, we are still running with it.
    by the way, how did u know my name ?
    There you are..one should have faith in him self and to change the system one has to be in the system. One can not change it without being the part of the system. Great minds have the ablility to make others join their endeavor to convert dreams in to reality? Will you ever try to be part of the system to make it clean and clear? Not necessary you become leader, but you can do it in many ways..

    Anyways i saw your name when you post message on Doctor's profile..
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    i third it.
    if only voting on forums was allowed....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ag_prasun View Post
    i firmly believe that india is yet to see its best PM.someone like an obama or a lincoln!!
    OK. You are going a little overboard. Obama was just sworn in yesterday. History will alone say what kind of president he will make.
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    i meant someone who can evoke such emotions out of the common people.someone who could speak so well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ag_prasun View Post
    i meant someone who can evoke such emotions out of the common people.someone who could speak so well.
    That was because a historical event was indeed happening. Hence the crowds. No doubt Obama is a good speaker but then most politicians are. It is improbable that a bad speaker will survive in politics.
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    by speaker i mean one who can rouse the audience.not like some indian pols who read out without commas,full-stops and without any soul!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nilact View Post
    Please Go through my previous post, i already mentioned that english should be accepted for International correspondence. And of course it is about patriotism.
    you can only link not knowing your Mother Tongue with patriotism

    Just because i know Fluent English am i supposed to be unpatriotic ?? Sounds like garbage to me

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    Quote Originally Posted by nilact View Post

    Anyways i saw your name when you post message on Doctor's profile..
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    whats going on

    Some Clarification please ??
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    DO we have any clear undisputed leader for post of PM in next LS election?

    the answer is "no" and that sad for our country

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    Quote Originally Posted by Admin View Post
    I would like PM who can give a speach without looking at a peice of paper and can speak good Hindi and English both.
    Need a PM who is Charismatic like Obama and Hillary and doesnt have a verbal diaoria like Gillani and Zardari of Pakistan... Need some one with a straight head.

    A PM who can lead this country and get internal security better then Isreal does.
    i think admin wants a superhero for our country.......

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    The state our country is presently in, only a superhero would be able so save it.
    In the parliamentary set up of India, the days of a single party getting absolute majority are long past gone. Its the time of coalitions. So the PM has to take care of all the whims and fancies of the coalition partners just to make sure he remains the PM. Under such circumstances, hoping for a PM who would take fact and decisive action is nothing but a utopian dream.

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    Its time to rewrite the constitution with reference to the multi-party system.
    Sad that its never gonna happen...any major change in our contry takes like eternity to happen.

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    Nowadays Political parties are run like Mafioso ... they have so much power ,members can bend every rule they want .... and if they dont agree with someone they resort to voilence

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    today L.K. Advani came online to chat with people !!!....

    following the footsteps of Obama...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShAdOwCoN View Post
    you can only link not knowing your Mother Tongue with patriotism

    Just because i know Fluent English am i supposed to be unpatriotic ?? Sounds like garbage to me

    whats going on

    Some Clarification please ??
    PM should know Hindi ( Our National Lanaguage). The person who doesn't proud his own country and national language is not patriotic. and i suggest to read my previous post, though i didn't post it in proper format(sorry for that)..you will know what i mean to say and it won't sound garbage to you..

    Why do you need clarification?

    Anyways i saw his name on Mr.Tooth Fairy's profile..

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