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ShAdOwCoN

Dacia only happen to have 3 to 4 provinces .... i feel sorry for them actually ..... they are defending their towns with just few bands of light infantry/archers ..... imo i can overrun them with just half a stack .... but not doing so because like i said i am feeling sorry for them ! .... they offered me 50 denarii for the sake of brotherhood (thats about all they could spare !) poor guys



Dacia cannot attack Brutii ... should check to see who else is there



Doubt

Will the senate , Brutii and Scipii get the Auxillia units ???

right now i did not see any such units with them yet

18lama

Simple: They haven't started upgrading their army...I've been telling you for 2 days. If you have a modern army you have a definite edge against other Roman factions.

ShAdOwCoN

i cannot still attack Rome until i have the support of the Roman people (Roman plebs)

which right now i dont have .... what i mean is that i am not allowed to attack Rome now


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18lama

will wait for an update once you start the civil war...if you haven't done so already.

ShAdOwCoN

I am planning to overthrow senate

As you can see (the mini map , bottom left) i have just one more Dacian town to overthrow .... after that i ll be attacking the senate .....Britons have 3 more provinces but they are too weak to trouble me anymore

there are 2 problems i am facing now

1) Brutii have spammed an obscene amount of armies inside Greece .... my towns bordering these will be very unsafe once civil war breaks out

My forces have been stretched thin after the war with Britons and Dacia .... dont have any full stacks

what can i do now ?



i absolutely suck at taking down walled cities ... any strategy i can follow ?

18lama

Occupy the choke points (bridges, mountain passes etc.)within your territory and fight a defensive battle until you develop a new army.

Once I won a bridge battle against 3 brutii stacks with my half a stack of legionaries near the bridge which lies Northwest of Salona.

When I attacked any heavily fortified city I used to bring along at least 4 onagers/heavy onagers in a single stack. I never build any siege equipments.

Also when using onagers never use flaming ammo, when trying to break down walls or gates. It looks fancy but is highly inaccurate. If you do destroy a portion of a wall or a gate with your onagers don't rush your troops. Let the onagers run out of ammo before you go charging in. These seige weapons can do a serious amount of damage to enemy morale.

I learnt this lesson while playing medieval total war-2. It features the mongol faction, they used to attack my castles and cities with 6 or more catapaults in a single stack!

I have never lost a city siege with this strategy.

All this talk of this great game has forced me to re-install the game.

I will add more updates of my own after I start playing the game.

ShAdOwCoN

kewl ...... maybe we should open a new thread titled Rome Total war Discussions ?

I use about 2-3 onagers to bring down the towers in the walled cities ..... and then i use sap points to bring down a section of the wall ......

the problem i face is that

1) The enemy rains fire arrows on top of my soldiers when they go near the walls that have been breached ..... how do i chase out the soldiers on top of walls ?? especially archers

2) when i sit back and shoot him with onagers .... he too shoots back .... as i dont have walls protecting me i loose a lot of soldiers ..... especially when he shoots burning boulders ....... it only lands on a target once in a while but it is devastating to any legions ..... generally burns half the soldiers in the legions

18lama

As a thread starter you should ask j4x or smooth to rename this thread, rather than starting a new one.

Use your onagers to bring down only gate and the gate house towers. Leave the other towers as is. Your onagers have a greater range than enemy archers, always remember that. So station your onagers and all the other troops as far as possible in the deployment stage.

Once your troops enter the gates of a city you can order them to capture other buildings (other gate houses and towers) on foot. They will climb the walls from the inside through the existing towers and capture all the other towers one by one. I generally order 2 legion units to capture 70% towers. (towers which I think may be a direct threat). Captured towers won't fire missiles on your troops.

Using your legions to capture the towers will force the archers and other missile units stationed on the walls into a close combat with your legionnaires...your heavy infantry can inflict a massacre of sorts if you play your cards right.

I'll post a screens and a detailed guide if you want to know how this can be executed.

Also looking at your map: Roman empire became great because it captured and controlled the Mediterranean sea. Not upper Germania or Britannia. :|

ShAdOwCoN

The empire had Britain and Dacia in the real world

and the Brutii and Scipii are also Romans

see this map .... British islands was in the hands of rome

and when i am finished with Brutii and scipii it should more or less look like this map

BTW i never fought Germania ..... Britons wiped them out ! not me

File:RomanEmpire 117.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Walled city sieges

How will you counter this


A walled city . The enemy has Archer Auxilias and Legionary cohorts stationed in the walls . If any of your soldiers go near the walls they ll be shot with fire arrows . If they climb the walls Legionary cohorts will hold them .

They have heavy infantry and cavalry (all their crack troops) stationed near the gate . A bottle neck which they can defend easily .
Their troops will hold back your soldiers at the gate while their archers shoot at at them from atop the walls .total massacre

They have 1 0r 2 onagers which will fire at your soldiers from the inside as you do not have any walls to protect you ... you will face high casualties

The enemy soldiers/archers will be protected from both your arrows and Onagers , thanks to their walls

18lama

Brutii and scipii might be Romans...but lol you are the player, they are only an AI faction.

I know Roman history...I studied the entire thing in my college.

They captured Britain in ~50BC and Germany in ~150AD. Before that they had captured all the territories which touched the Mediterranean sea that included, France, Spain, Morocco, North Africa(Carthage), Egypt, Judea (israel), Turkey and Greece.

I will post a detailed tutorial when I come across a tough city siege battle.

OK here it is:

Some pics from my campaign:

18lama

The Spaniards decided to attack my army on a bridge. I knew it would end in tears for them...

It was a bad move as you will see next:





The aftermath:

Their entire stack was decimated by my 3 legionary cohorts and a single unit of Roman cavalry.


The stats for battle:


Look at the one sided battle stats Stupid AI...it never learns!

Detailed stats:

ShAdOwCoN

Nice battle !

why are you using only one archer unit ?

you would have suffered many causalities if your infantry had not been more superior to theirs ....

Early legionary cohort vs Iberian infantry is a no contest !

I generally station 2-4 archer units on either side of the bridge ..... one unit of velites behind the infantry blocking the bridge ....

for this i station a unit of infantry on the bridge just at the beginning (not at the mouth) .....this way they get massacred even as they are fighting and i am able to hold the bridge with just 2-3 infantry units max ......As u know i went into Spain much earlier than you ...... and all my Spanish wars were won by just using Hastati and very few units of Principes

18lama

one archer but 4 onagers do the job well, besides this was a city siege stack.

They were using heavier versions of their infantry but superior tactics won the battle not numbers.

One of the reason they routed was due to a couple of well placed shots from the 4 onagers.

As you can see I never use velites or light auxilia.


I will post my civil war pics some time later or tomorrow...wait and see the epic scale of the battles....

ShAdOwCoN

even in a city siege stack archers are useful ......i am guessing you have nt upgraded your archery range in many cities ?

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Iberian infantry is a light infantry unit ......there are no heavy versions of Iberian infantry



and also the Round/Long shield cavalry are light cav ..... Spanish have some of the weakest units in the game ....... i just love to fight them .... they rout so easily ..... you can make hordes and hordes rout and then run them down as they flee

According to your screenshot stats .... you had 1236 men and he had 1009+155 ..... you had more men , who were of better quality ! .......

Hmmmm




Can u post your map ...... curious to see how Brutii are situated ?

18lama

Wrong...they had bull warriors and heavy cavalry, who have stats very similar to the legionary cohorts and roman cavalry respectively.



you have posted pics of Carthaginian units not the spanish ones...lol

I have the highest level of upgrades in all my military infrastructure...how else would I be able to build onagers??

Brutii are almost crushed I have their 3 cities under siege...waiting for surrender in a couple of turns and some scattered 1/2 or 1/3 stacks near Eastern Europe/Hungary won't need to be dealt with once I capture the cities.

I had captured all the cities in greece and stifling the brutii progress severly. They could only capture small towns from Dacia and one or two cities from the Macedon initially in the game.

ShAdOwCoN

I have defeated the Spainiards ... so know all their units !

By Iberian infantry i did not mean Spanish infantry ..... Iberian infantry is a unit like Hastati ..... When i said Iberian infantry dont have heavy versions .... i did not mean Spanish units dont have heavy versions ...... i meant that particular unit doesnt have heavy version ..... I know the Spainiards use both Bull warriors and naked fanatics .....
But Iberian infantry is always light infantry


about as much difference as Brutii and Julii Hastati or Gaulish , British and Dacian warband


point

18lama

Yeah but you defeated them before the marian reforms...so how can you know all of them???

ShAdOwCoN

Marian reforms effects only the Roman factions !

They were still using all the units like Scutarii , slingers , warhounds apart from the above mentioned units

The only thing they did not use were the siege units

18lama

You are absolutely positively wrong!!!

In order for the game to be balanced all units of all factions are upgraded at the time of Marian reforms.

Otherwise the game would become highly imbalanced...

AI uses all the old units because it has spammed those units, but if you look at factions which are far away from you...in your case Egypt or Pontus they have already upgraded lots of their units to match the post marian Roman units.

ShAdOwCoN

You are absolutely Positively wrong too !!

after doing some research i found out that Marian reforms effects

pontus,armenia,egypt,seleucids and macedon
they can start building imitation legionaries


they do not effect any of the Barbarian factions ....

so no reforms for Gaul , Spanish , Dacia , Briton etc etc

As i never came across them (the factions effected by the reforms) i was not aware of it
And Marian reforms come into effect when an Imperial palace is built inside Italy ............... it does not have a specific time