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    ShAdOwCoN
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    Question Rome Total War Help

    Hi , I am currently replaying one of my fav games Rome Total war

    Actually i have never finished this game even tho this is the third time i am playing this !

    ok now i am trying to complete it and need some help


    I have a few questions

    1) How long does the Imperial campaign last ? ..... you have to conquer 50 provinces to win the campaign , but how long/many years do you have ?



    Status Report
    Faction : I am playing as the Julii which is a Roman faction (of Julius ceaser fame)

    Allies : I have allied with Brutii (of Marcus Brutus fame) and Scipii who are the other Roman factions.... i have also allied with the Scythians

    Empire : My empire currently has 10 provinces (270 BC -240 BC) .... I managed to capture 4 provinces from the Gauls 2 in Italy and 2 in France .... 1 from the Iberians (Spanish)

    1. Currently i have launched a campaign into Iberia(Spain) , i hope to wipe out this faction completely

    2. Also i stationed an army to defend my cities in France against repeated Gaulish attacks .... i sacked one of their towns completely and have destroyed most of their armies , but they still keep throwing everything they have at me ....

    3. Preparing a relief column to assist my army in Spain .

    My army is pretty crappy and consists of the following units

    Infantry
    Principes
    Attachment 3411
    Missile Units
    Velites
    Attachment 3414
    Archers
    Attachment 3412
    Cavalry
    Equites
    Attachment 3413
    Artillary
    Ballistea
    Attachment 3415
    and hey dont forget my question at the top !

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    You havn't gone through the Marian reforms yet. They will generally happen near 50-100BC. Once that, you will have a new and more powerful units (including legionaries and auxiliary archers)available.

    The campaign will last till 14AD. You will have to eliminate rival Roman factions too. i.e. Brutii and Scipii and/or Julii. You will also have to capture Rome when the senate and other families decalre war on you! Ofcourse if you have around 5/6 full stacks you can pre-empt the civil war and capture Italy/scicily.

    But remember to extreminate the population in huge cities otherwise you will be facing revolts throughout the empire.

    Read this walkthru for all the other details: http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/dos...e/589390/37914

    One more tip: Never ever trust any of your allies. They have a habit of back stabbing when you least expect it.

    And if you think you can't go forward without allies; never ever share a border with an ally. Always keep a buffer in between.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 18lama View Post
    You havn't gone through the Marian reforms yet. They will generally happen near 50-100BC. Once that, you will have a new and more powerful units (including legionaries and auxiliary archers)available.
    Yeah i know ... but i was nt sure about the timing .... and its Auxillia Archers

    The campaign will last till 14AD. You will have to eliminate rival Roman factions too. i.e. Brutii and Scipii and/or Julii.
    Thanks 14Ad i have a lot of time ........ I cannot eliminate Julii ! I am a Julii

    You will also have to capture Rome when the senate and other families decalre war on you! Ofcourse if you have around 5/6 full stacks you can pre-empt the civil war and capture Italy/scicily.
    Yeah .... that ll happen when i have captured 40+ provinces and the senate thinks i am too powerful
    But remember to extreminate the population in huge cities otherwise you will be facing revolts throughout the empire.
    I do that all the time

    [/U]One more tip: Never ever trust any of your allies. They have a habit of back stabbing when you least expect it.

    And if you think you can't go forward without allies; never ever share a border with an ally. Always keep a buffer in between.
    I generally sack a town and then destroy all its buildings and then leave that city ...... the enemy recapture it but they will be too busy trying to keep that town happy and will also loose money trying to rebuild all the buildings that i destroyed ... this generally weakens them

    sack and burn ..... it works

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShAdOwCoN View Post
    Yeah i know ... but i was nt sure about the timing .... and its Auxillia Archers


    Thanks 14Ad i have a lot of time ........ I cannot eliminate Julii ! I am a Julii
    I said and/or...:001_tongue:

    Auxillia = auxiliary


    Yeah .... that ll happen when i have captured 40+ provinces and the senate thinks i am too powerful

    I do that all the time
    If you time your attack on the senate and the other families just right after the Marian reforms, your legionaries can attack their Principes and other weak units. You should not give them any time to prepare a new army...just attack with any new units you have.

    Once I had destroyed a 10 stack enemy (older units) army with my 2 stacks of legionaries!

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    Status Report 2

    Allies : No change .... Brutii , Scipii,Senate and Scythia

    Date: 225 BC

    Empire : Currently 14 provinces .... After a Brutal campaign inside Iberia (Spain) i managed to eliminate the Spanish Faction.I bribed 2 of their Princes into joining with me

    I discovered that the Gauls have their capital inside Iberia ! .I already have captured 4 of their provinces and now i am set to attack and Destroy Gaul .They dont have much of an army .They have one full stack inside their capital . If i destroy it their economy will more or less collapse as they dont have any significant settlements anywhere else .

    A Worrying point would be that the Brutti and the Scipii too have significantly expanded their presence . Scipii have wiped out Carthage while the Brutii have wiped out Greece .... should keep an eye on them
    Doubts

    1) Which is the best Unit to counter the naked fanatics ? (No Pics)

    2) What are Arcani used for ?

    They are too few to hold a line ... so what can they be used for ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShAdOwCoN View Post
    Status Report 2



    Doubts

    1) Which is the best Unit to counter the naked fanatics ? (No Pics)

    2) What are Arcani used for ?

    They are too few to hold a line ... so what can they be used for ?
    1) I have put an image which outlines a general strategy to counter the naked fanatics. It has worked for me without fail.



    2) The Arcani are used to take down enemy kings, princes and other VIPs. Don't use them in regular combat, they are very expensive.

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    That staggard formation is interesting , will try it out

    Its 223 BC and the Gauis reforms has been implemented ! .... Now i have Auxilia units ! ..... So i guess your dates were wrong ? or is it dependent on something else ?

    I have the following units available now



    Special unit
    Samnite Gladiators
    Attachment 3456
    Missile Unit
    Light Auxillia
    Attachment 3453
    Infantry
    Early Legionary
    Attachment 3455
    Triarii Auxilia
    Attachment 3457
    Cavalry
    Cavalry Auxilia
    Attachment 3454

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    I have also started playing this game. Was looking for a game which i can play on my Low Config Laptop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 18lama View Post
    2) The Arcani are used to take down enemy kings, princes and other VIPs. Don't use them in regular combat, they are very expensive.
    What ! ....... should i use Arcani against cavalry ?

    and all Kings and princes are Heavy cavalry .... can the Arcani withstand Heavy cav charges ?

    Quote Originally Posted by saurav_k View Post
    I have also started playing this game. Was looking for a game which i can play on my Low Config Laptop.
    Nice
    Its a superb game
    Did you know that "The History Channel" used this game to make a documentary on Rome and such ancient civilisations ?


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    Time : 217 BC

    Empire : 17 provinces

    Gaul destroyed with some help from Brittania (British) . 2 Large armies ready to attack the Britons . They seem to have aggressively expanded and taken over a lot of territory .
    Brutii slowly expanding defeating Macedonian armies
    Scipii struggling to keep their empire intact as they are suffering rebellions in their captured towns



    Doubt

    I am suffering a lot of corruptions in the provinces i captured in Iberia , how can i reduce corruption ?
    They are very far from my capital city
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShAdOwCoN View Post
    That staggard formation is interesting , will try it out

    Its 223 BC and the Gauis reforms has been implemented ! .... Now i have Auxilia units ! ..... So i guess your dates were wrong ? or is it dependent on something else ?

    I have the following units available now
    Not a fix event...but more circumstantial. On harder levels it comes much later.

    The arcani can hide and ambush the enemy generals.

    Quote Originally Posted by ShAdOwCoN View Post
    What ! ....... should i use Arcani against cavalry ?

    and all Kings and princes are Heavy cavalry .... can the Arcani withstand Heavy cav charges ?



    Nice
    Its a superb game
    Did you know that "The History Channel" used this game to make a documentary on Rome and such ancient civilisations ?


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    Time : 217 BC

    Empire : 17 provinces

    Gaul destroyed with some help from Brittania (British) . 2 Large armies ready to attack the Britons . They seem to have aggressively expanded and taken over a lot of territory .
    Brutii slowly expanding defeating Macedonian armies
    Scipii struggling to keep their empire intact as they are suffering rebellions in their captured towns



    Doubt

    I am suffering a lot of corruptions in the provinces i captured in Iberia , how can i reduce corruption ?
    They are very far from my capital city
    You have made a mistake..don't capture Britannia just yet. The cities are more like villages and you'll have to invest a lot of money and man power. You should try and capture Italy first, Greece and Macedonia second, Turkey third...because all the cities in these provinces are very well established. The 90% of them are coastal which means lot of trade income too.

    Since you now have legionaries march your army onto Rome!unk:

    Here's some details about Arcani:

    Roman Arcani

    They are a shadowy part of the Roman army organised in small groups and competent in camouflage and deception. The arcani exist almost as a secret society whose very name should not be spoken. The armour they wear is finely crafted so that while it offers great protection, it will not slow or tire the fantastically fit arcani troops. Their face masks mean opposing troops may even flee in terror when surprised by a group of these blood-thirsty killers!

    For Corruption is Spain: Have you stationed any of your family members in that region...You should have at least 2 members...preferably young ones in Spain. That will reduce the corruption.

    But if you are facing issues with corruption in Spain...what will happen when you capture Carthage, Turkey, Middle east and Egypt later...


    Can you post a screen shot of your full army stack?
    Last edited by 18lama; 8th June 2009 at 09:42 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

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    I think it would be bad idea for me to march into Rome for 2 reasons

    1. I have 2 full stack armies positioned outside Brittania ready to move in for the kill

    2. If i attack Rome then Scipii and Brutii will declare war on me . My trade with them will be drastically effected . This will reduce the income i get thru trade in ports . Most of my towns both in Italy and Spain are trading with Scipii or Brutii . and i dont think i can handle their combined army



    Can you pls post a pic of the Imperial campaign map ? ..... i searched in the internet but could nt find one .... with it i ll be able to explain my situation better

    Quote Originally Posted by 18lama View Post
    [/I]For Corruption is Spain: Have you stationed any of your family members in that region...You should have at least 2 members...preferably young ones in Spain. That will reduce the corruption.
    I only have a single Spanish general in the region who i bribed into joining me
    i ll try sending one of the younger Generals in

    Quote Originally Posted by 18lama View Post

    But if you are facing issues with corruption in Spain...what will happen when you capture Carthage, Turkey, Middle east and Egypt later...
    Carthage already captured by Scipii ... that region is problematic ...... i hate deserts anyway ...... not planning to capture it

    Turkey ?? Do you mean the Selucids ?

    Egypt is a big problem they have the second largest territory (largest is ofcourse mine ) ..... i have never encountered them in battle ..... dont even know where they are

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    Doubt

    How do i counter Charioteers ?....... Britons love to use them ........ They absolutely decimate my infantry ..... My heavy cav dont seem to have much effect on them ......
    I only was partially successful in defeating Charioteers using Auxillias(spearmen) + 2 other units to attack from the back
    I still suffered a lot of causalities with that method

    Quote Originally Posted by 18lama View Post

    You have made a mistake..don't capture Britannia just yet. The cities are more like villages and you'll have to invest a lot of money and man power. You should try and capture Italy first, Greece and Macedonia second, Turkey third...because all the cities in these provinces are very well established. The 90% of them are coastal which means lot of trade income too.
    1. Money is not such a big problem right now .... i am stinking rich ..... milking all of my provinces with Heavy taxing +avoiding rebellions ... i am really good at this

    2. Sparta was the last city to fall , Brutii have completely wiped out the greek cities

    3. Brutii on a campaign to wipe out Macedonia , both fighting tooth and nail
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    I got a very small map

    Red - Jullii (me)
    Green - Brutii
    Blue - Scipii
    Note : The number of crosses mean nothing

    Green colored land - Forests/Grasslands
    Brown - Desert
    Blackish bumps - Mountain ranges

    As you can see

    Scipii have captured all the small islands and Carthage , but they hold the least number of provinces

    Brutii as you can see are expanding inside Greece

    While both of their capitals are located in southern Italy

    leftmost part of the map where i have put the biggest red cross is Iberia
    The cross next to it is where i defeated and eliminated the Gauls and captured all their towns
    The uncrossed land on top is mostly held by Brittania

    i have not yet encountered other factions

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShAdOwCoN View Post
    I think it would be bad idea for me to march into Rome for 2 reasons

    1. I have 2 full stack armies positioned outside Brittania ready to move in for the kill

    2. If i attack Rome then Scipii and Brutii will declare war on me . My trade with them will be drastically effected . This will reduce the income i get thru trade in ports . Most of my towns both in Italy and Spain are trading with Scipii or Brutii . and i dont think i can handle their combined army



    Can you pls post a pic of the Imperial campaign map ? ..... i searched in the internet but could nt find one .... with it i ll be able to explain my situation better


    I only have a single Spanish general in the region who i bribed into joining me
    i ll try sending one of the younger Generals in.
    Why corruption is there:

    Once you reach 50,000 denarii, you get an expenditure labelled "corruption."
    The more over 50,000 you are, the more this will cost you. Faction members
    generally get greedy after this amount and take a little for themselves. This
    may seem harmless enough, but it can lead to bad traits and retinue. If
    you're flirting with 50,000, build something so you're lower than it or bribe
    a great general.

    Carthage already captured by Scipii ... that region is problematic ...... i hate deserts anyway ...... not planning to capture it
    You will need to capture Carthage in order to complete your campaign - No Carthage no victory.

    Egypt is a big problem they have the second largest territory (largest is ofcourse mine ) ..... i have never encountered them in battle ..... don't even know where they are
    They will be in south eastern turkey, middle east and Egypt. Oh and you will need to beat them too, if you hate British chariots...lol you'll absolutely loathe archer chariots used by the Egyptians.

    Doubt

    How do i counter Charioteers ?....... Britons love to use them ........ They absolutely decimate my infantry ..... My heavy cav dont seem to have much effect on them ......
    I only was partially successful in defeating Charioteers using Auxillias(spearmen) + 2 other units to attack from the back
    I still suffered a lot of causalities with that method
    The only way to counter the chariots is never be on the defensive against them...Always use your cavalry to flank them, they have a pretty low defence value. But they can cut your legions into pieces pretty fast if you allow them to roam freely. Spearmen also don't have much effect on them also.

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    1. Money is not such a big problem right now .... i am stinking rich ..... milking all of my provinces with Heavy taxing +avoiding rebellions ... i am really good at this
    See my previous para on why too much money is bad for your empire. Also if you have lots of money you should build up atleast 6 new stacks with your latest units.

    A typical stack for sieges: (have 2 of these)

    2 onagers
    1 general
    3 archers
    4 cavalry
    8 legionaries
    2 spearman

    A typical stack for hinterland battles: (have 4 of these)

    2 onagers
    1 general
    4/5 archers
    8/9 legionaries
    3 spearman
    2 cavalry


    2. Sparta was the last city to fall , Brutii have completely wiped out the Greek cities
    You have now allowed them to become very very strong...

    3. Brutii on a campaign to wipe out Macedonia , both fighting tooth and nail[/QUOTE]

    [QUOTE=ShAdOwCoN;170508]

    I got a very small map
    Can't you capture a screen from your game and post it here?


    .............................


    leftmost part of the map where i have put the biggest red cross is Iberia
    The cross next to it is where i defeated and eliminated the Gauls and captured all their towns
    The uncrossed land on top is mostly held by Brittania

    i have not yet encountered other factions
    Capture Italy..capture Greece...capture Turkey and wipe out the other Roman factions from European mainland.

    Quote Originally Posted by mail2sc View Post
    MERE dimaage ke upar se tangent banake nikal gaya , bhaai
    Well not all threads are chat threads, are they...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mail2sc View Post
    MERE dimaage ke upar se tangent banake nikal gaya , bhaai
    wow so you were actually following this discussion ?

    without playing the game or having a very good knowledge about Roman history its very very difficult

    i am trying to find out how to take a screenshot

    corruption
    That info was very useful !

    trying now

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShAdOwCoN View Post
    wow so you were actually following this discussion ?

    without playing the game or having a very good knowledge about Roman history its very very difficult

    i am trying to find out how to take a screenshot

    corruption
    That info was very useful !

    trying now
    Use this utility to capture movies and/or screens from any game: FRAPS show fps, record video game movies, screen capture software

    When you do reach 50,000 raises your taxes in cities which are far away from your capital to an extent where the population stops growing or grows at .5%. You'll have to strike a fine balance with taxes; you can't let the people become angry and stop the population growth too. Once you know how to find this balance, you'll become a master of this game.

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    PS : I converted the image to JIF so it is of lower quality....anti-aliasing switched of as it interferes with screen shot taking process
    In Gamescreenshot
    Attachment 3508


    Strategic Map view of Game
    Attachment 3507

    BTW Green dudes are Brutii !

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    Quote Originally Posted by 18lama View Post
    When you do reach 50,000 raises your taxes in cities which are far away from your capital to an extent where the population stops growing or grows at .5%. You'll have to strike a fine balance with taxes; you can't let the people become angry and stop the population growth too. Once you know how to find this balance, you'll become a master of this game.
    1. I use this trick .... My faction leader has been nicknamed " Tax farmer "

    2. Taxes are auto managed if there is no General in the city .... i am short of Generals

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShAdOwCoN View Post
    1. I use this trick .... My faction leader has been nicknamed " Tax farmer "

    2. Taxes are auto managed if there is no General in the city .... i am short of Generals
    Sorry but only n00bs set the taxes to auto. Any player who wants total control will micro manage.

    A tip: Get an alliance with the selucids...pay them boat loads of money to declare war on The brutii and then when they are too busy fighting in the east...you can:shuriken:

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    U misunderstood

    I do not have a choice !

    Taxes are auomanaged in cities without Generals (princes and kings)

    I manage taxes in cities with Generals

    Quote Originally Posted by 18lama View Post
    A tip: Get an alliance with the selucids...pay them boat loads of money to declare war on The brutii and then when they are too busy fighting in the east...you can:shuriken:
    I dont know where Seleucids are .... They are too far away imo

    I think you should first analyze my position

    See the mini map in my screen shots again (Bottom Left)

    I am Julii - Red

    Dark Blue (Bottom of the map) - Scipii

    Light Green - Brutii

    Yellow - Egypt

    Brown - Dacia (My border on the right )

    Dark Brown - Germania (Hard to notice....sandwiched between Britons...right at the top)

    Black - Macedonia (bordering Brutii)

    sea blue (Exact same color as the sea) - Thrace (sandwiched between Dacia (Brown) and Macedonia (Black) )
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShAdOwCoN View Post
    U misunderstood

    I do not have a choice !

    Taxes are auomanaged in cities without Generals (princes and kings)

    I manage taxes in cities with Generals



    I dont know where Seleucids are .... They are too far away imo

    I think you should first analyze my position

    See the mini map in my screen shots again (Bottom Left)

    I am Julii - Red

    Light Green - Brutii

    Brown - Dacia (My border on the right )

    Black - Macedonia (bordering Brutii)
    Seleucids = The guys who are occupying Turkey atm. (dark teal colour)

    Brown - Dacia

    Get an alliance with both of them or any one of them...and pay them whatever they want to declare a war on Brutii from the on either fronts.

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    Dacia only happen to have 3 to 4 provinces .... i feel sorry for them actually ..... they are defending their towns with just few bands of light infantry/archers ..... imo i can overrun them with just half a stack .... but not doing so because like i said i am feeling sorry for them ! .... they offered me 50 denarii for the sake of brotherhood (thats about all they could spare !) poor guys



    Dacia cannot attack Brutii ... should check to see who else is there



    Doubt

    Will the senate , Brutii and Scipii get the Auxillia units ???

    right now i did not see any such units with them yet

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShAdOwCoN View Post
    Dacia only happen to have 3 to 4 provinces .... i feel sorry for them actually ..... they are defending their towns with just few bands of light infantry/archers ..... imo i can overrun them with just half a stack .... but not doing so because like i said i am feeling sorry for them ! .... they offered me 50 denarii for the sake of brotherhood (thats about all they could spare !) poor guys



    Dacia cannot attack Brutii ... should check to see who else is there



    Doubt

    Will the senate , Brutii and Scipii get the Auxillia units ???

    right now i did not see any such units with them yet
    Simple: They haven't started upgrading their army...I've been telling you for 2 days. If you have a modern army you have a definite edge against other Roman factions.

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    i cannot still attack Rome until i have the support of the Roman people (Roman plebs)

    which right now i dont have .... what i mean is that i am not allowed to attack Rome now


    Status report

    Julii - I managed to capture a lot of British territory , landed an army in the British isles and overran one of his bigger towns at the same time blockading his ports with my ships ...... He had his capital in the British islands but shifted it to mainland Europe as soon as i landed an army in the isles ... clever but not good enough

    Its 204 BC and i have 23 provinces .....

    Brutii wiped out the Macedonians ..... now moving towards the Scythians
    who have only one province under their control

    Scipii still busy fighting the Egyptians ... they have their hands full ....

    time is nearing ... think i will attack rome in a few decades ... as soon as the Roman plebs allow me to
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    status report

    Britons have just 3 provinces remaining . they dont have any army . will try and force them to become a protectorate of mine.also my army is marching towards the last Dacian province/capital.

    The plebeians finally gave me permission to attack Rome ! .

    Timeline : 197 BC

    Empire : 33 provinces


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    will wait for an update once you start the civil war...if you haven't done so already.

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    Default Help !

    I am planning to overthrow senate

    As you can see (the mini map , bottom left) i have just one more Dacian town to overthrow .... after that i ll be attacking the senate .....Britons have 3 more provinces but they are too weak to trouble me anymore

    there are 2 problems i am facing now

    1) Brutii have spammed an obscene amount of armies inside Greece .... my towns bordering these will be very unsafe once civil war breaks out

    My forces have been stretched thin after the war with Britons and Dacia .... dont have any full stacks

    what can i do now ?



    i absolutely suck at taking down walled cities ... any strategy i can follow ?


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    Occupy the choke points (bridges, mountain passes etc.)within your territory and fight a defensive battle until you develop a new army.

    Once I won a bridge battle against 3 brutii stacks with my half a stack of legionaries near the bridge which lies Northwest of Salona.

    When I attacked any heavily fortified city I used to bring along at least 4 onagers/heavy onagers in a single stack. I never build any siege equipments.

    Also when using onagers never use flaming ammo, when trying to break down walls or gates. It looks fancy but is highly inaccurate. If you do destroy a portion of a wall or a gate with your onagers don't rush your troops. Let the onagers run out of ammo before you go charging in. These seige weapons can do a serious amount of damage to enemy morale.

    I learnt this lesson while playing medieval total war-2. It features the mongol faction, they used to attack my castles and cities with 6 or more catapaults in a single stack!

    I have never lost a city siege with this strategy.

    All this talk of this great game has forced me to re-install the game.

    I will add more updates of my own after I start playing the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 18lama View Post
    All this talk of this great game has forced me to re-install the game.


    I will add more updates of my own after I start playing the game.
    kewl ...... maybe we should open a new thread titled Rome Total war Discussions ?

    I use about 2-3 onagers to bring down the towers in the walled cities ..... and then i use sap points to bring down a section of the wall ......

    the problem i face is that

    1) The enemy rains fire arrows on top of my soldiers when they go near the walls that have been breached ..... how do i chase out the soldiers on top of walls ?? especially archers

    2) when i sit back and shoot him with onagers .... he too shoots back .... as i dont have walls protecting me i loose a lot of soldiers ..... especially when he shoots burning boulders ....... it only lands on a target once in a while but it is devastating to any legions ..... generally burns half the soldiers in the legions

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShAdOwCoN View Post


    kewl ...... maybe we should open a new thread titled Rome Total war Discussions ?

    I use about 2-3 onagers to bring down the towers in the walled cities ..... and then i use sap points to bring down a section of the wall ......

    the problem i face is that

    1) The enemy rains fire arrows on top of my soldiers when they go near the walls that have been breached ..... how do i chase out the soldiers on top of walls ?? especially archers

    2) when i sit back and shoot him with onagers .... he too shoots back .... as i dont have walls protecting me i loose a lot of soldiers ..... especially when he shoots burning boulders ....... it only lands on a target once in a while but it is devastating to any legions ..... generally burns half the soldiers in the legions
    As a thread starter you should ask j4x or smooth to rename this thread, rather than starting a new one.

    Use your onagers to bring down only gate and the gate house towers. Leave the other towers as is. Your onagers have a greater range than enemy archers, always remember that. So station your onagers and all the other troops as far as possible in the deployment stage.

    Once your troops enter the gates of a city you can order them to capture other buildings (other gate houses and towers) on foot. They will climb the walls from the inside through the existing towers and capture all the other towers one by one. I generally order 2 legion units to capture 70% towers. (towers which I think may be a direct threat). Captured towers won't fire missiles on your troops.

    Using your legions to capture the towers will force the archers and other missile units stationed on the walls into a close combat with your legionnaires...your heavy infantry can inflict a massacre of sorts if you play your cards right.

    I'll post a screens and a detailed guide if you want to know how this can be executed.

    Also looking at your map: Roman empire became great because it captured and controlled the Mediterranean sea. Not upper Germania or Britannia. :|
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    The empire had Britain and Dacia in the real world

    and the Brutii and Scipii are also Romans

    see this map .... British islands was in the hands of rome

    and when i am finished with Brutii and scipii it should more or less look like this map

    BTW i never fought Germania ..... Britons wiped them out ! not me

    File:RomanEmpire 117.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Walled city sieges

    How will you counter this


    A walled city . The enemy has Archer Auxilias and Legionary cohorts stationed in the walls . If any of your soldiers go near the walls they ll be shot with fire arrows . If they climb the walls Legionary cohorts will hold them .

    They have heavy infantry and cavalry (all their crack troops) stationed near the gate . A bottle neck which they can defend easily .
    Their troops will hold back your soldiers at the gate while their archers shoot at at them from atop the walls .total massacre

    They have 1 0r 2 onagers which will fire at your soldiers from the inside as you do not have any walls to protect you ... you will face high casualties

    The enemy soldiers/archers will be protected from both your arrows and Onagers , thanks to their walls
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShAdOwCoN View Post
    The empire had Britain and Dacia in the real world

    and the Brutii and Scipii are also Romans

    see this map .... British islands was in the hands of rome

    and when i am finished with Brutii and scipii it should more or less look like this map

    BTW i never fought Germania ..... Britons wiped them out ! not me

    File:RomanEmpire 117.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Brutii and scipii might be Romans...but lol you are the player, they are only an AI faction.

    I know Roman history...I studied the entire thing in my college.

    They captured Britain in ~50BC and Germany in ~150AD. Before that they had captured all the territories which touched the Mediterranean sea that included, France, Spain, Morocco, North Africa(Carthage), Egypt, Judea (israel), Turkey and Greece.

    I will post a detailed tutorial when I come across a tough city siege battle.

    OK here it is:

    Some pics from my campaign:









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    The Spaniards decided to attack my army on a bridge. I knew it would end in tears for them...

    It was a bad move as you will see next:





    The aftermath:

    Their entire stack was decimated by my 3 legionary cohorts and a single unit of Roman cavalry.


    The stats for battle:


    Look at the one sided battle stats :lol: Stupid AI...it never learns!

    Detailed stats:


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    Nice battle !

    why are you using only one archer unit ?

    you would have suffered many causalities if your infantry had not been more superior to theirs ....

    Early legionary cohort vs Iberian infantry is a no contest !

    I generally station 2-4 archer units on either side of the bridge ..... one unit of velites behind the infantry blocking the bridge ....

    for this i station a unit of infantry on the bridge just at the beginning (not at the mouth) .....this way they get massacred even as they are fighting and i am able to hold the bridge with just 2-3 infantry units max ......As u know i went into Spain much earlier than you ...... and all my Spanish wars were won by just using Hastati and very few units of Principes

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShAdOwCoN View Post
    Nice battle !

    why are you using only one archer unit ?
    one archer but 4 onagers do the job well, besides this was a city siege stack.

    you would have suffered many causalities if your infantry had not been more superior to theirs ....

    Early legionary cohort vs Iberian infantry is a no contest !
    They were using heavier versions of their infantry but superior tactics won the battle not numbers.

    One of the reason they routed was due to a couple of well placed shots from the 4 onagers.

    I generally station 2-4 archer units on either side of the bridge ..... one unit of velites behind the infantry blocking the bridge ....
    As you can see I never use velites or light auxilia.


    I will post my civil war pics some time later or tomorrow...wait and see the epic scale of the battles....

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    Quote Originally Posted by 18lama View Post
    one archer but 4 onagers do the job well, besides this was a city siege stack.
    even in a city siege stack archers are useful ......i am guessing you have nt upgraded your archery range in many cities ?

    They were using heavier versions of their infantry but superior tactics won the battle not numbers.
    ????

    Iberian infantry is a light infantry unit ......there are no heavy versions of Iberian infantry



    and also the Round/Long shield cavalry are light cav ..... Spanish have some of the weakest units in the game ....... i just love to fight them .... they rout so easily ..... you can make hordes and hordes rout and then run them down as they flee

    According to your screenshot stats .... you had 1236 men and he had 1009+155 ..... you had more men , who were of better quality ! .......

    One of the reason they routed was due to a couple of well placed shots from the 4 onagers.
    Hmmmm


    There was a delay didnt play for 2 days

    Dacia destroyed . One single brutal battle ! got a "Heroic Victory" . Took my 448 men and fought 1 full stack with the faction leader .... turned east to face a 3/4th stack and a 155 men stack all in one battle ! ....... and then moved into the city with one single warband unit defending it .... Dacia destroyed

    building my army for the civil war .... preparing to land an army in Sicily and Sardinia as well as Greece ... 3 armies defending my borders with Brutii while another army waiting to take Italy


    Can u post your map ...... curious to see how Brutii are situated ?

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    Wrong...they had bull warriors and heavy cavalry, who have stats very similar to the legionary cohorts and roman cavalry respectively.



    you have posted pics of Carthaginian units not the spanish ones...lol

    I have the highest level of upgrades in all my military infrastructure...how else would I be able to build onagers??

    Brutii are almost crushed I have their 3 cities under siege...waiting for surrender in a couple of turns and some scattered 1/2 or 1/3 stacks near Eastern Europe/Hungary won't need to be dealt with once I capture the cities.

    I had captured all the cities in greece and stifling the brutii progress severly. They could only capture small towns from Dacia and one or two cities from the Macedon initially in the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 18lama View Post
    Wrong...they had bull warriors and heavy cavalry, who have stats very similar to the legionary cohorts and roman cavalry respectively.
    I have defeated the Spainiards ... so know all their units !

    By Iberian infantry i did not mean Spanish infantry ..... Iberian infantry is a unit like Hastati ..... When i said Iberian infantry dont have heavy versions .... i did not mean Spanish units dont have heavy versions ...... i meant that particular unit doesnt have heavy version ..... I know the Spainiards use both Bull warriors and naked fanatics .....
    But Iberian infantry is always light infantry


    you have posted pics of Carthaginian units not the spanish ones...lol
    about as much difference as Brutii and Julii Hastati or Gaulish , British and Dacian warband


    I have the highest level of upgrades in all my military infrastructure...how else would I be able to build onagers??
    point

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShAdOwCoN View Post
    I have defeated the Spainiards ... so know all their units !
    Yeah but you defeated them before the marian reforms...so how can you know all of them???

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    Quote Originally Posted by 18lama View Post
    Yeah but you defeated them before the marian reforms...so how can you know all of them???
    Marian reforms effects only the Roman factions !

    They were still using all the units like Scutarii , slingers , warhounds apart from the above mentioned units

    The only thing they did not use were the siege units

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShAdOwCoN View Post
    Marian reforms effects only the Roman factions !

    They were still using all the units like Scutarii , slingers , warhounds apart from the above mentioned units

    The only thing they did not use were the siege

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    You are absolutely positively wrong!!!:angry:

    In order for the game to be balanced all units of all factions are upgraded at the time of Marian reforms.

    Otherwise the game would become highly imbalanced...

    AI uses all the old units because it has spammed those units, but if you look at factions which are far away from you...in your case Egypt or Pontus they have already upgraded lots of their units to match the post marian Roman units.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 18lama View Post
    You are absolutely positively wrong!!!:angry:

    In order for the game to be balanced all units of all factions are upgraded at the time of Marian reforms.
    You are absolutely Positively wrong too !!

    after doing some research i found out that Marian reforms effects

    pontus,armenia,egypt,seleucids and macedon
    they can start building imitation legionaries


    they do not effect any of the Barbarian factions ....

    so no reforms for Gaul , Spanish , Dacia , Briton etc etc

    As i never came across them (the factions effected by the reforms) i was not aware of it
    And Marian reforms come into effect when an Imperial palace is built inside Italy ............... it does not have a specific time

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    Wrong again...Brits and Gauls are able to build heavy swordsman and heavy chariots once the reforms get going.

    Spanish can build heavy cavalry and Bull warriors post reforms...

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    wrong again

    I personally encountered all these units before the Marian reforms

    Look at Post No 7 here ...... Marian reforms were implemented on 223 BC for me

    By 217 BC (6 years later) i had destroyed first the Spanish and then the Gaulish faction ........ which means i destroyed Spanish before the reforms


    and i told u i have already encountered the Bull warriors , scutarii etc etc

    Another thing is that all Post Marius infantry units are legionaries (roman) and imitation legionary for other faction ....... none of the barbarian heavy infantry fall under this category (legionary like)


    If u r still are nt convinced then check this discussion


    Marian Reform question... - Total War Center Forums

    I win !

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    you win the debate...but I win the game!!!

    First a city siege battle:

    The city: Carthage
    Faction: Scipii

    They have placed all their units on or near the wall.

    I have not brought any siege machines like ladders and such. I have 2 onagers with me.




    First used the onagers to break the gates and after that try and break the walls on either sides of the gate house.



    This tactic can destroy the walls and bury the troops standing nearby in the rubble.

    My onagers eventually destroyed 2 units of legionary cohorts standing on the walls.



    Bombard the left and the right side of the gate house to isolate the units protecting the gates. This way the AI can't quickly reinforce the under fire units. Which makes it easy for your attackers to find a way through.



    Use Testudo when attacking enemy stationed near the gatehouse, this way your units become invulnerable to velite and archer fire.







    Once you capture the gates you can send more attackers on to despatch the enemy who are holed up on the walls.

    You can also place an archer unit of your own once you capture the gate house, they will use their new high position quite well to soften up the troops on the wall.

    Or you can remove them the old fashioned way!!...contd....

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    After I captured Carthage the AI attacked me with its stack o' doom and an epic battle began.










    The end result:





    The last city I captured was west of Carthage:





    ****The end****

    I will post more updates when I start the barbarian invasion campaign in a few days.

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    Not playing as any other faction ?

    you can play the shorter version of the campaign as another faction .... u ll have to capture 15 provinces


    Report

    Captured most of Italy just one more Brutii town remaining ...... captured Sardinia .... was defeated when i tried taking over the Scipii capital in Sicily with a mini army .... did nt expect him to have so many Praetorian cohorts


    both Brutii and scipii have spammed many Praetorian cohorts and Urban cohorts ...... i dont have a single such unit

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShAdOwCoN View Post

    both Brutii and scipii have spammed many Praetorian cohorts and Urban cohorts ...... i don't have a single such unit
    It will be a tough long slog to capture their cities.

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    After a Brutal campaign against Brutii and scipii its over finally ! ...... i captured all the islands from scipii and managed to capture large chunks of Greece from the Brutii ....... letting Brutii grow was one of the major reasons for my late victory ...... i have no idea how they managed to spam so many elite units (including naval) especially ones which require 2 turns

    i spent bulk of the time just readying for the battle by building stacks of elite units and shipping them to Greece and the other islands . Also ended up Bribing and assassinating some of the Brutii Generals .

    Final battle :

    Place : Bylazora (Brutii capital)

    Type : Walled settlement . Heavily fortified walls with arrow towers that can shoot multiple arrows and pour boiling oil .

    Troops
    Enemy : 1/2 a stack of elite units - Praetorian , Urban cohorts and Velite Gladiators ..... 1 praetorian cavalry and an armored General cavalry lead by the faction leader .... No missile troops

    Me : 2/3 stack with No general ....2 Legionary cavalry ..... 2 Onagers .... 2 Praetorian and the rest Legionary and first legionary cohorts

    captured the walls without much problem ....... the rest were ganged up in the town center ..... lured out the faction leader and surrounded him with all my troops killing him ..... finally took the others in the town center by surrounding them

    Divide and conquer !

    Long campaign complete



    Factions i destroyed :

    Gaul , Spain, Dacia , senate , Scythia

    PS : repped u

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    favour returned...now get Medieval TW2 and waste even more hours trying to conquer Europe once again....

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    Played the short campaign as the Gauls ..... finished it in a few hours ......

    Goals : capture 15 provinces and eliminate the 2 factions (Senate and Julii)

    took me 13 ingame years

    Strategy
    : Build a large army ..... lay siege to the Julii capital ..... Senate army will come to its rescue .... dont attack , lift the siege and march to Rome , avoiding the senate army ... quickly lay siege and take over the ill defended Rome thus eliminating the senate without fighting its army !
    After that just finish of Julii .... and then the Spanish .... thats it !

    Special units
    :
    Barbarian Warhounds (Heavy) - more efficient than Roman wardogs

    Forester warband - Best pre-Legionary archers .....Uses bow as well as spear ... thus effective against cavalry too

    Warband very effective against cavalry

    Unit strength comparison

    Town Watch<Warband<Hastati<Swordsmen<Principe<Chosen Swordsmen

    When somebody builds an Imperial palace inside Italy the Marius Reforms will occur .... so chuck out the Romans from Italy as quickly as possible .... if thats done Reforms will never occur ... so no legionaries for any faction !



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    you have to get Medieval total war 2...it has so much more depth than RTW, absolutely the best strategy game after the Civilization games.

    not true...in one of my other games...The Egyptians built the Pharaoh's palace in Alexandria and that triggered the reforms in 211BC. I was playing the julii with a new strategy and trying to delay the reforms for as late as possible...but this was un-expected.
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    yeah .... will do it after a break

    Was just checking out Barbarian Invasion

    You should really try the "Hunnic" faction .... just mess around .... Their dialogues (when selected and moved in the strategy map) are absolutely comical ..... i was rofl-ing half the time

    Miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiighty General rofl .... give it a try

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    Greatest battle ever !

    Settlement : Raveena . Northen Italy

    Faction : Huns

    General : Diggz

    Enemy faction : Vandals

    Result : very close defeat


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    Quote Originally Posted by ShAdOwCoN View Post
    Greatest battle ever !

    Settlement : Raveena . Northen Italy

    Faction : Huns

    General : Diggz

    Enemy faction : Vandals

    Result : very close defeat

    must've been one hell of a fight!! How did you kill so many of their men? what were you defending with?

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