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Admin · 12-10-2008, 02:30 AM

As you all may have already heard in news about talks of Bajrang dal being considered for a ban in India...

I havent been following the news very closely atleast on the political front in the past few weeks as Ive been paying too much attention on the stock market so I dont really have a clear picture of whats happening on this front.

Why is bajrang dal picked upon? Any agency found any proof of the voilence against Christians being initiated by Bajrang dal?

I suppose its a matter for Judiciary to step in if and when they find any proof of them being involved... isnt it?

Its a shame that one part or the other in India is always in news for communal voilence and its been nonstop ever since I can remember.

I have never listened to any speaches or even read about what agenda Bajrang dal has but if they are living in peace whats prompting our political leaders to ban them? if they have been a party to the voilence in Orrisa and Karnata I think it was why has no one been arrested?

Those states where communal voilence has still not been contained should really be put under presidents rule and army sent over to those states to bail the police out who are known to do nothing in times of need.

What do you say?

just4kix · 12-10-2008, 03:09 AM

Bajarang Dal is being accused of insinuating communal violence.

In the poor tribal regions of India such as Orissa, Chattisgarh, etc. Christian Missionaries are involved in converting Hindus to Christians. They supposedly do this by luring the people with money, education, shelter and support. The Bajrang Dal and VHP is taking this as the proverbial red flag to a bull. They are saying that these are forced conversions.

Insuniating speeches have been made. Some inflamed locals attacked the missions, churches and nuns have been raped. I am quite sure that the people that committed these acts had no sympathy for Hindu religion. They just got a license to commit attrocities and get protected at the same time.

VHP/Bajrang Dal may or may not be directly invoved. The culprits that did commit the dastradly act much be caught, tried and punished. If they happen to be VHP/Bajrang Dal members and VHP/Bajrang Dal is directly responsible then actions need to be taken.

But I am not impressed with the VHP/Bajrang Dal stand - peaceful or not, against the conversions. Why do Indian temple trusts not do anything to promote Hinduism?

The Balaji temple at Tirupati has already a Gold plated top and I am hearing that the entire walls will be covered by Gold. But why can't they form Hindu missions, go to tribal areas and promote Hinduism, generate employment, spread education?

The other day there was a big tragedy in Rajasthan, a few months ago in HP. What is being done about it by the temple shrine trusts?

Politicians just want to prove a point and talks about banning Bajrang Dal will happen. But there is no proof the BD was actively involved in the violence, as yet.

itsmemad · 12-10-2008, 03:29 AM

The congress led UPA is deleberately trying to divert the peoples attention from the main issues of Terrorism & Inflation... The Finance minister has admitted that he cannot arrest the inflation & all the UPA leaders have admitted that they will not bring tough acts against terrorists for fear from of losing the minority votebank... Therefore they have created trouble in BJP ruled states & have smartly diverted peoples attention from the real issues...

And for a moment lets suppose Bajrang Dal is involved directly...

Banning Bajrang Dal is not going to solve any issues... First and foremost the parliament has to enact a law banning en masse conversion into any faith... This is the main issue...

Any single person has the right to convert himself/herself but when houses after houses, villages after villages get converted…don't you think it is fishy business???

Time for thinking-
Many lives were lost because the concerned govt. did not take prompt action and because the law enforcing agencies are doing work that actually is not under their jurisdiction...

To resolve this problem amicably let the central govt. enact a law that bans conversion en masse.... I repeat, first and foremost the parliament has to enact a law banning en masse conversion into any faith... This is the main issue...

Having said so, I appeal to my Hindu brothers and sisters to stop destroying their churches & mosques and stop killing human beings...

just4kix · 12-10-2008, 03:46 PM

No more supporters of Bajrang Dal?

ShAdOwCoN · 12-10-2008, 09:22 PM

Hmmm controversial thread .....

Well from what i have heard .... The Christians attacked in Orissa were Dalit Christians The people attacking them were Tribals ...there was a long standing jealousy on Dalits by these tribals , as dalits had some reservation which The tribals were not given [by the Indian govt] so Dalits were slightly well of....these opportunistic tribals took the chance under the garb of Religion to attack these Dalits [and mainly rob these people of valubles].....We all know that communist Maoists took responsibility for the assassination ...and few of them have been arrested with guns and black fatigue .....so there is no murder charge here

Well anyway lets just assume that this supposed "forced conversion" was true ....does that warrant rape and murder by burning alive people?Especially those involved in Charity,orphanages etc ?
These people are worse than murders who atleast have a solid reason to commit crime
Is Bajrang Dal involved in it? I have no idea .....But it seems their activists prominently participated in the attack/incitation...

I have full faith in the secular Indian Judicial system ..... As there have been hundreds arrested ...... And the Indian media played a prominent part pressurizing the Lethargic police into action ! ...well there has been concrete steps taken ...but yes presidents rule will help in relocate refugees and restoring peace...

If Bajrang Dal was found to have participated in the attack then i think its a good idea Banning them ......

Otherwise they ll destroy the very fabric of secularism that holds the vastly diverging people of India together ..... And they are against the Ethos of Mahatma Gandhi and the other founding fathers of India and not to forget the Indian Constitution itself which Defines the Modern Indian "Unity in Diversity " .......

Admin · 12-10-2008, 09:33 PM

What exactly is a forced conversion? when some one who has been converted comes up and complains that he has been forcibly converted... atleast that what I think forcibly converting some one means... this used to happen in old times when the likes of Aurangzeb used to rule India... not any more.. no one can point a gun at some one ans say you convert or you be dead.

Its not jungle raj her any more and if some one is forced to convert into a particular relegion let him/her go to the police register a FIR and thats how it should be tackeled... who is this mob and or Bajrang dal (if they are invloved) to claim that forcible conversions are taking place?

If forcible conversions are taking place who ever are being forced should report it but if no one is reporting it I would say nothing is being done forcibly.

But thats how I think and I might be wrong coz I am not that much into relegion and all that and dont really understand what all this fuss is all about.

I think converting to a relegion or x religion is an individuals own choice and one can convert as many times as they like ... its a free country.

By the way has anyone ever complained of being forcebly converted and what force would some one use to convert some one to a religion? I dont get the whole theory.

And yes even if people are being forced to convert there is a legal system in our country ... go file a case against those involved.

ShAdOwCoN · 12-10-2008, 09:49 PM

Hmmm Good qeustion and good answer ....Have the people who have been "forcibly converted" complained at all ?...... ironically , these supposedly "forcibly converted people " are the ones who r being tortured and driven into forests and had their homes burnt down .... Have these people achieved anything good by all this violence .....

itsmemad · 12-10-2008, 10:05 PM

I don't know conversions which were taking place were forced or not... but it was huge in no. for sure... as I already said... it was a fishy business going around... In a "democracy".. if people start abusing the tool of "freedom"... then obviously repercussions are bound to happen... thats y I'm shouting out on the roof.... that there must be a law to ban en masse conversion.... its the only way to stop killings of innocent people... banning units like bajrang dal and VHP won't help... they will come again with different names...

Alexina · 12-10-2008, 10:14 PM

well basically i guess the thing is like these "so called forced covertees" were given financial support and other help by the christians...

So they converted to christianity (whether it was forced, or voluntarily or part of the business is the question)

itsmemad · 12-10-2008, 10:29 PM

Well I just digged out a news article from Times Of India, which informs that even some people in christian community admits that forced conversion was taking place cuz of one of their groups... read the 1st para...

Christian group denies charge of forced conversion-India-The Times of India

I still stick with my view that whether forced or not... Govt. sud ban the root cause...

12-10-2008, 02:30 AM	#1
Admin Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New Delhi Age: 31 Posts: 3,654 Rep Power: 10	Ban on Bajrang dal As you all may have already heard in news about talks of Bajrang dal being considered for a ban in India... I havent been following the news very closely atleast on the political front in the past few weeks as Ive been paying too much attention on the stock market so I dont really have a clear picture of whats happening on this front. Why is bajrang dal picked upon? Any agency found any proof of the voilence against Christians being initiated by Bajrang dal? I suppose its a matter for Judiciary to step in if and when they find any proof of them being involved... isnt it? Its a shame that one part or the other in India is always in news for communal voilence and its been nonstop ever since I can remember. I have never listened to any speaches or even read about what agenda Bajrang dal has but if they are living in peace whats prompting our political leaders to ban them? if they have been a party to the voilence in Orrisa and Karnata I think it was why has no one been arrested? Those states where communal voilence has still not been contained should really be put under presidents rule and army sent over to those states to bail the police out who are known to do nothing in times of need. What do you say? __________________

12-10-2008, 03:09 AM	#2
just4kix Guardian Angel Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Pune Posts: 4,704 Rep Power: 7	Bajarang Dal is being accused of insinuating communal violence. In the poor tribal regions of India such as Orissa, Chattisgarh, etc. Christian Missionaries are involved in converting Hindus to Christians. They supposedly do this by luring the people with money, education, shelter and support. The Bajrang Dal and VHP is taking this as the proverbial red flag to a bull. They are saying that these are forced conversions. Insuniating speeches have been made. Some inflamed locals attacked the missions, churches and nuns have been raped. I am quite sure that the people that committed these acts had no sympathy for Hindu religion. They just got a license to commit attrocities and get protected at the same time. VHP/Bajrang Dal may or may not be directly invoved. The culprits that did commit the dastradly act much be caught, tried and punished. If they happen to be VHP/Bajrang Dal members and VHP/Bajrang Dal is directly responsible then actions need to be taken. But I am not impressed with the VHP/Bajrang Dal stand - peaceful or not, against the conversions. Why do Indian temple trusts not do anything to promote Hinduism? The Balaji temple at Tirupati has already a Gold plated top and I am hearing that the entire walls will be covered by Gold. But why can't they form Hindu missions, go to tribal areas and promote Hinduism, generate employment, spread education? The other day there was a big tragedy in Rajasthan, a few months ago in HP. What is being done about it by the temple shrine trusts? Politicians just want to prove a point and talks about banning Bajrang Dal will happen. But there is no proof the BD was actively involved in the violence, as yet. __________________ * My computer can beat me at chess but is no match when it comes to kick-boxing * My Albums \| My Movie Collection \| Moser Baer Movies

12-10-2008, 03:29 AM	#3
itsmemad Alligator Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Patna, Pune Posts: 2,637 Rep Power: 3	The congress led UPA is deleberately trying to divert the peoples attention from the main issues of Terrorism & Inflation... The Finance minister has admitted that he cannot arrest the inflation & all the UPA leaders have admitted that they will not bring tough acts against terrorists for fear from of losing the minority votebank... Therefore they have created trouble in BJP ruled states & have smartly diverted peoples attention from the real issues... And for a moment lets suppose Bajrang Dal is involved directly... Banning Bajrang Dal is not going to solve any issues... First and foremost the parliament has to enact a law banning en masse conversion into any faith... This is the main issue... Any single person has the right to convert himself/herself but when houses after houses, villages after villages get converted…don't you think it is fishy business??? Time for thinking- Many lives were lost because the concerned govt. did not take prompt action and because the law enforcing agencies are doing work that actually is not under their jurisdiction... To resolve this problem amicably let the central govt. enact a law that bans conversion en masse.... I repeat, first and foremost the parliament has to enact a law banning en masse conversion into any faith... This is the main issue... Having said so, I appeal to my Hindu brothers and sisters to stop destroying their churches & mosques and stop killing human beings... __________________ Kaspersky 2009 Review Hollywood Movie Review Web based free applications Last edited by itsmemad; 12-10-2008 at 03:46 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

12-10-2008, 09:22 PM	#5
ShAdOwCoN Phantom Lancer Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Void Posts: 2,236 Rep Power: 3	Hmmm controversial thread ..... Well from what i have heard .... The Christians attacked in Orissa were Dalit Christians The people attacking them were Tribals ...there was a long standing jealousy on Dalits by these tribals , as dalits had some reservation which The tribals were not given [by the Indian govt] so Dalits were slightly well of....these opportunistic tribals took the chance under the garb of Religion to attack these Dalits [and mainly rob these people of valubles].....We all know that communist Maoists took responsibility for the assassination ...and few of them have been arrested with guns and black fatigue .....so there is no murder charge here Well anyway lets just assume that this supposed "forced conversion" was true ....does that warrant rape and murder by burning alive people?Especially those involved in Charity,orphanages etc ? These people are worse than murders who atleast have a solid reason to commit crime Is Bajrang Dal involved in it? I have no idea .....But it seems their activists prominently participated in the attack/incitation... I have full faith in the secular Indian Judicial system ..... As there have been hundreds arrested ...... And the Indian media played a prominent part pressurizing the Lethargic police into action ! ...well there has been concrete steps taken ...but yes presidents rule will help in relocate refugees and restoring peace... If Bajrang Dal was found to have participated in the attack then i think its a good idea Banning them ...... Otherwise they ll destroy the very fabric of secularism that holds the vastly diverging people of India together ..... And they are against the Ethos of Mahatma Gandhi and the other founding fathers of India and not to forget the Indian Constitution itself which Defines the Modern Indian "Unity in Diversity " ....... __________________ "Vae Victis" -> "Woe To The Conquered!" - Brennus ( Gaulish Warlord ) Last edited by ShAdOwCoN; 12-10-2008 at 09:39 PM.

12-10-2008, 09:33 PM	#6
Admin Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New Delhi Age: 31 Posts: 3,654 Rep Power: 10	What exactly is a forced conversion? when some one who has been converted comes up and complains that he has been forcibly converted... atleast that what I think forcibly converting some one means... this used to happen in old times when the likes of Aurangzeb used to rule India... not any more.. no one can point a gun at some one ans say you convert or you be dead. Its not jungle raj her any more and if some one is forced to convert into a particular relegion let him/her go to the police register a FIR and thats how it should be tackeled... who is this mob and or Bajrang dal (if they are invloved) to claim that forcible conversions are taking place? If forcible conversions are taking place who ever are being forced should report it but if no one is reporting it I would say nothing is being done forcibly. But thats how I think and I might be wrong coz I am not that much into relegion and all that and dont really understand what all this fuss is all about. I think converting to a relegion or x religion is an individuals own choice and one can convert as many times as they like ... its a free country. By the way has anyone ever complained of being forcebly converted and what force would some one use to convert some one to a religion? I dont get the whole theory. And yes even if people are being forced to convert there is a legal system in our country ... go file a case against those involved. Last edited by Admin; 12-10-2008 at 09:33 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

12-10-2008, 03:46 PM	#4
just4kix Guardian Angel Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Pune Posts: 4,704 Rep Power: 7	No more supporters of Bajrang Dal?

12-10-2008, 09:49 PM	#7
ShAdOwCoN Phantom Lancer Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Void Posts: 2,236 Rep Power: 3	Hmmm Good qeustion and good answer ....Have the people who have been "forcibly converted" complained at all ?...... ironically , these supposedly "forcibly converted people " are the ones who r being tortured and driven into forests and had their homes burnt down .... Have these people achieved anything good by all this violence .....

12-10-2008, 10:05 PM	#8
itsmemad Alligator Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Patna, Pune Posts: 2,637 Rep Power: 3	I don't know conversions which were taking place were forced or not... but it was huge in no. for sure... as I already said... it was a fishy business going around... In a "democracy".. if people start abusing the tool of "freedom"... then obviously repercussions are bound to happen... thats y I'm shouting out on the roof.... that there must be a law to ban en masse conversion.... its the only way to stop killings of innocent people... banning units like bajrang dal and VHP won't help... they will come again with different names...

12-10-2008, 10:14 PM	#9
Alexina Gold Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 704 Rep Power: 1	well basically i guess the thing is like these "so called forced covertees" were given financial support and other help by the christians... So they converted to christianity (whether it was forced, or voluntarily or part of the business is the question) __________________ http://surrealrealities.blogspot.com/

12-10-2008, 10:29 PM	#10
itsmemad Alligator Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Patna, Pune Posts: 2,637 Rep Power: 3	Well I just digged out a news article from Times Of India, which informs that even some people in christian community admits that forced conversion was taking place cuz of one of their groups... read the 1st para... Christian group denies charge of forced conversion-India-The Times of India I still stick with my view that whether forced or not... Govt. sud ban the root cause...

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