Thread: Reliance wimax problems!!!

mrrijo,

You were saying that it is possible that someone else might be having the same MAC address and therefore the same IP address, that the ISP, Reliance has issued. Let me be clear:

There would not be any two e-devices in this world having the same MAC address.

For example, devices like PCs, laptops, Printers, modems, Routers, keyboards etc all have MAC addressess. The Mac addresses are assigned to them from a range allotted to the manufacturer. Only after allotting an allowed MAC addressess does these devices get the approval.

It is possible to change the MAC address using software available which I think only a geek does.:-)

So, it is not possible that your account may not be hacked becoz of other guy having same mac address. May be the servers to which you were connected were trying to send packet data to your device even though it must have disconnected. I am not sure on this part.

I have changed the title of the thread.

Thx m8!

Since this thread is titled "Reliance WiMax Problems" Here's a problem.


Reliance Wimax upgraded their servers last night, and now, my entire wifi setup seems to not work any more.

I can log in just fine when I connect directly to the white box, but I can't seem to get the login page / homepage for reliancebroadband[dot]co[dot]in when I try connecting with my wifi router.


Now, While I was researching on setting up wifi connections for Wimax on this forum, I vaguely recall reading something to the same effect that reliance wimax server is rejecting / not responding to packets sent from a router... or something like that. I tried searching for that but couldn't find it here, strangely enough.

Can anyone help? Or is there already a workaround for this problem? I've tried working on it for a couple of hours this morning, but I've got other work to do and won't be back until evening. So, if you guys are brainstorming about it, do post it here. I'd appreciate it. ^_^

taurius1 have you tried to reset router to default and recofig is done or not, if you haven't tried that then try it once and if still nothing is happening then please update your router details, i am sure you will get lot many reply's

I don't see why the reconfig will make a difference, because it was working fine with the same settings lat night, BEFORE the server upgrade.

I'll do the reconfig later this evening when I get back home. But I'll leave my router details, like you advised.

I'm using a Dlink DIR 300 router.

The current setup is
antenna ---> whitebox [cpe] ---> PC

What it used to be before, and is not working now, is
antenna ---> whitebox [cpe] ---> DIR300 WiFi router ---> PC+laptop




*sigh* a little challenge is fun everynow and then, but when they change their servers just within a few days after I figure out how to get my wifi is frustrating!!!

EDIT: [3:20pm, 27-09-2008 ]

It's working again. O_O

I waited for 15 minutes to let the home page appear this morning, and I was sure they'd blocked it. But it's here now.

I still don't know what happend. >_<

Man I feel retarded now.

HM.... I had the same problem yesterday...
I couldnt see the webpage while I had my router setup.

I tried something now, and it seemed to work. Since my router has the same MAC address as my PC's lan port, I figured if I first sign in while being directly connected to the reliance CPE (whitebox) and THEN set up the wires to bring my wifi router in the loop, it should work.
And it did.

Its still cumbersome to swap wires. >_<

Hi i had an Airtel connection and the router(Netgear WGR 614v7) was working fine with no issues,I shifted and that when i got to know that there is no airtel here, so i went for Reliance Wimax,tried to reset the router it detects the ip as static and when its comes to configuring the network its gives an error that there is an issue with the Internet connection,tried all the possible steps by myself but in vain.

From soft/hard reset,manually adding the Reliance IP address on the roter page settings to spoofing the MAC address i hve tried everything ....

Atlast i called Reliance they are the worst Customer care i have ever dealt with,then i tried calling Netgear itself ,nogo there too.

I know that Wimax is a static ip address and it does not support PPPoE connectivity,but there has to be a way or workaround to configure the router to the Wimax settings,logically speaking....or is it a technology bottle neck

Anyone who has resolved this issue......PLZ HELP

Thanks in Advance
Vineesh

Wimax is DHPC (dynamic ip). This seems to be the essential mistake you might have made while configuring your router.

The ip assigned to you by reliance is valid for 24 hours, afterwhich, you may or maynot get a new ip address. It might sound stupid, but that is how their DHCP system is set up.

Have your router set up on DHPC settings, and try setting up your connection.

Here's all you need to keep in mind when setting up your connection to use wifi:

1) DHCP on your wifi router's internet settings.
2) "automatically assing ip" on your computer
3) cloning of MAC address from your PC to your router.

Extra things, that have worked for me:
4) keep in mind that if your MAC address is cloned, you can sign in from your PC and THEN set up your wifi router to broadcast your wifi connection, althought this has worked for me, and I have not seen anyone else do it like this, so take care.

5) to check if your router is able to access the internet, sign in to wimax, check your computer's ip address before you set up the router, then sign out.
Now set up the router by conecting the appropriate wires. Now goto your netgear wifi router's control panel and check if it has been assigned the same ip. If it hasnt, reset the DHCP and make it get a new ip. (My dlink DIR 300 had a button to let me get a new DHCP ip)



That's pretty much all the advice i can offer.
Best of luck, and do get back to us about how it worked out!

Thanks taurius1 for your inputs,well the reason that i tried with a single IP address is that DHCP is not working...and yes the system is set to assing ip address automatically

I know it might seem like it is not working, but like I'd pointed out, the DHCP gives you an ip with a long lease.

I assume your setup worked with DHCP setting on your wifi router?

with Airtel tht i had it worked just fine ,but with Reliance wimax

I reset the router and the router page has its own setup wizard follow it and it says that it has detected a 'Static IP address'..follow it its asks for the details ,ip address ,subnet ,and DNS servers ..do all tht it does not complete ,get stuck to a point where it says tht it cannot detect the connection

option 2 ,...say no to the static ip address and chose 'the network had Dynamic ip address'..then it will try to find the connection and give out an error that the connection got interupted.

both ways it does not work

I think it is a compatibility issue between the Wimax and the router ..not sure what else to think...coz i saw post that Reliance works with Linksys and yours Dlink routers ..but everyone has an issue when it comes to Netgear router ..especially Netgear wgr614

Hmm... here's one thing I can think of. Are your ip addresses clashing? If I recall correctly, the reliance whitebox thingie has an ip of 192.168.1.1

You should make sure that your linksys router should have an ip like
192.168.x.y such that:
where x is NOT 1
Examples you can use for your router ip:
192.168.2.2
192.168.2.54
192.168.6.6

I hope you get the picture. If your netgear router has a default ip address of 192.168.1.1, it is most probably clashing with your reliance whitebox. (Just a guess here!)

So you should change your wifi router's default ip address. The router's LAN settings should be accessible in the LAN section of your control panel. I think I never came across this problem because I set my router's ip address to 192.168.7.7 before I started configuring anything else. I do this for personal reasons.

Summing up, try this:

Change the ip address of the wifi router.
Reboot the router. (Not reset!!! You will lose your other configurations if you reset the router to factory settings.)
Check if it aquires an ip now.

Lemme know how it works out.

even i thought tht wuz the case earlier,i did change the router ip to 10.0.0.1,the setup goes fine but whn you open the broswer,'PAGE CANNOT BE DISPLAYED" comes up,

But then again whn i do an ipconfig the wimax ip is 123.237.222.xxx and Def gateway is 123.237.216.x,so technically there should not be a problem even if i dont change my NETGEAR router default ip and gateway.

Appreciate ur help taurius1

hm... isnt 10.0.0.1 special like 127.0.0.1 ? :S
You could try using something like 192.168.5.5, and see if tht works. :/

Unless your whitebox assigns an ip to your router, everything else is no-go.


I duuno.... Im all out of ideas now. sorry. >_<

10.0.0.1 is sometimes called a default gateway address as it typically represents the local side of a router's connection to the Internet. 10.0.0.1 is more commonly found in business networks than in homes, which tend to use routers having default addresses in the 192.168.x.x series. Both the 10.x.x.x and 192.168.x.x series are private IP address ranges.
Where as 127.0.0.1 is the loop back ip address,commonly used to test your NIC,127.0.0.1 is the standard IP address used for a loopback network connection.

This means that if you try to connect to 127.0.0.1, you are immediately looped back to your own machine.

Man im lost...still havent figured out wht to do with my router ,i think i need to throw it out in the garbage and buy the one Reliance has to offer ..

Have you considered flashing to the linux based DD WRT firmware?
I flashed my old linksys wrt54g wifi router with it, and it made setting everything up much simpler. Everything is compartmentalised in there.

im not sure what firmware is in the Netgear router ,but common sense that if it connects with airtel it has to connect with Reliance wimax to ,unless theres a technonology bottleneck.

Originally Posted by vineesh

im not sure what firmware is in the Netgear router ,but common sense that if it connects with airtel it has to connect with Reliance wimax to ,unless theres a technonology bottleneck.

HM... Airtel and reliance both use different connection protocols.

hey frds
i m using reliance wimax connection. I have two laptops. I need to use the net on both the system at same time. I went to buy linksys router. They told me you can not share the connection because reliance gives dynamic ip. You first have to apply for the static ip address. But i think the main problem by using router will be authentication. Even if it is static ip, i need to authenticate. so wat difference it will make. According to my knowledge if it works on static ip, it should work on dynamic ip also.
Can u please tell me is it poosible to to connect two computers on one reliance wimax connection. If yes how? and hich router i should buy for this purpse??

Hey bro I am using my wimax with a wireless router, so dont worry, about the dynamics and statics of it, just buy a router and start using it.......

Originally Posted by mrrijo

Hello,

You know what, i am a frustrated customer of reliance wimax. I told this problem to reliance many times!!. They still leave that stuff just like that!! That is the wonder about reliance.


Let me tell you the real problem of "loosing IP/account lock etc" happens just after a power outage or modem disconnect without proper log out!!

this may help for many yelling customers out there..

Reliance uses two way mechanism for server authentication.
1. when you connect your pc to that crappy piece of white box, it tries to allocate an IP to your PC by reading your "PC's" MAC address.
2. Next you get the login screen. And you logs in successfully.
3. Then the server which authenticates you, records your IP along with username somewhere.
4. When you loose the power, your session with the above server is lost and the DHCP (which allocates ip) server thinks that, you have been disconnected. Here starts the wonder!!
5. Then DHCP server assigns "your IP" to some one else!!, RESULT, whoever got that IP has an authenticated session "with your user name" and he enjoys it nicely.

6. When your power comes back, you get a different IP and when you try to login, it wont work. Because some one else is using your account!!!!

How does that feel???

You call to reliance, yell at them, they reset your password!!, then you can login back again!!. Very nice!!

to make matters worse, if someone has the IP as well as same MAC address of yours, you are lost.. All sessions as well as your credentials (passwords, etc) can be seen by other user!!!.

Do you want this to happen?

A word to administrator,

I had no intention to make people hack reliance network. I wanted people to be aware of this security flaw which India's proud reliance has. Even after informing them.

I no longer use Reliance and that is crap. I discourage people from going after it, because of this security issues. Hope you will understand.!!

that all rubbish mac of ur system is never required for authentication it ur switch modems mac address that is required for allocating u a dynamic ip address . if the mac address of ur switching modem cannot be changed unless u r a hardware hacker.most of the system mac address which in the lan card can be changed. so even during power outage u still get the same ip address ......i dont how u r getting some other ip address.....but there is a possiblity that u cant login again as ur previous session was not logout.so even if i connect a laptop instead of my desktop even though the mac address are different ,ill still able to login and i done it many times. and mac addresses of such devices are unique.....

Please contact Mr. Rajiv Bharathan of Reliance ADA on 09341248118 or preferably mail him on rajiv.bharathan@relianceada.com

Originally Posted by mrrijo

Hello,

You know what, i am a frustrated customer of reliance wimax. I told this problem to reliance many times!!. They still leave that stuff just like that!! That is the wonder about reliance.


Let me tell you the real problem of "loosing IP/account lock etc" happens just after a power outage or modem disconnect without proper log out!!

this may help for many yelling customers out there..

Reliance uses two way mechanism for server authentication.
1. when you connect your pc to that crappy piece of white box, it tries to allocate an IP to your PC by reading your "PC's" MAC address.
2. Next you get the login screen. And you logs in successfully.
3. Then the server which authenticates you, records your IP along with username somewhere.
4. When you loose the power, your session with the above server is lost and the DHCP (which allocates ip) server thinks that, you have been disconnected. Here starts the wonder!!
5. Then DHCP server assigns "your IP" to some one else!!, RESULT, whoever got that IP has an authenticated session "with your user name" and he enjoys it nicely.

6. When your power comes back, you get a different IP and when you try to login, it wont work. Because some one else is using your account!!!!

How does that feel???

You call to reliance, yell at them, they reset your password!!, then you can login back again!!. Very nice!!

to make matters worse, if someone has the IP as well as same MAC address of yours, you are lost.. All sessions as well as your credentials (passwords, etc) can be seen by other user!!!.

Do you want this to happen?

A word to administrator,

I had no intention to make people hack reliance network. I wanted people to be aware of this security flaw which India's proud reliance has. Even after informing them.

I no longer use Reliance and that is crap. I discourage people from going after it, because of this security issues. Hope you will understand.!!

Hi Spice3boy and all,

I have been using so far BSNL ADSL Huawei router. But as I shifted my place in Bangalore where neither Airtel nor BSNL is available, I have applied for reliance wimax connection with single user plan of 400 kbps. Just wanted to know whether this Huawei ADSL router will work if I simply connect the reliance box to it? Could you let me know what setting I need to do or change in ADSL router. I was already using ADSL router with DHCP on as I have a laptop and a PC. I want to continue using both at the same time. Will it work?

Please guide me about how to do setting. I don't see any option of mac cloning in this huawei router as well.

Originally Posted by hihi

Just wanted to know whether this Huawei ADSL router will work if I simply connect the reliance box to it?

Why would you want to use the ADSL router? It's unneccessary, unless you plan on using it to serve the internet connection to multiple PCs. In which case, the only way I know of adding the much needed MAC clone functionality to routers that dont have it is to flash its firmwar with the free linux based DD WRT firmware. Google for it, and check if it's compatible.