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Mr.Tooth Fairy · 08-09-2008, 11:16 PM

hmm ok smootie.. i think i will go deep.. in torrents.. like still now my port forwarding is not success.. in it.. as like what just4kix told in utorrent port forwarding tutorial,,, tht screen i mean tht settings.. i m not getting.. i have latest version of utorrent 1.8 built 11813. i dont know where tht settings come., as i think the tutrorial explained is in older version..

smoothvibes · 08-09-2008, 11:26 PM

dont worry will check that new version soon and will update here...
i m sure out port forwarding guru just4kix will help you with new version, dont worry

Mr.Tooth Fairy · 08-09-2008, 11:38 PM

HMMM ya.. dude. he is our porf forwarding guru.. lolz.. i will ask him surely now.. by the way where is he?? i dindt see him,, since ages.. last 3 days.. i was out of station.. for patients work.. before tht also.. i neva seen his replies.. i guess now a days busy.. i think

smoothvibes · 09-09-2008, 12:00 AM

i a word called him on sat evening and his BSNL is not working, today he got the call from BSNL that its fixed now.. but as he is not here so i think it is still not fixed..

same for me even my connection is not working from last 7 days now and m at work right now

Mr.Tooth Fairy · 09-09-2008, 12:02 AM

I see ok ok

just4kix · 09-09-2008, 01:37 PM

Hi, I am here. I did read this thread. But admin and others had already put in their thoughts.

To access an 'ftp' site, the ftp port (21) must be open on that site. Nowadays very few site admins open their website for ftp. And then the FTP server must be in DMZ to protect the rest of the infrastructure from worms and other hacking attempts. There are two download protocols - HTTP and FTP (well, three including P2P).

It is a misconception to believe that FTP will give you better speeds.

FTP pros:

HTTP adds headers to each packer. There is no such addition in case of FTP, it is just a raw data file
HTTP encodes and compresses data before sending but not FTP. This works very well for small files.

HTTP pros:

HTTP reuses the existing persistent connections and hence TCP performance is better
Use of pipelines makes asking for multiple files from the same server faster
Because of automatic compression, makes less data get sent
In FTP, the transfer is serial and interface has to wait for current packet to be downloaded successfully before requesting the next packet. No such command/response flow minimizes in HTTP.

Ultimately the net outcome of course differ depending on specific details, but I would say that for single-shot static files, you won't be able to measure a difference. For a single shot small file, you might get it faster with FTP (unless the server is at a long round-trip distance). When getting multiple files, HTTP should be the faster one.

Mr.Tooth Fairy · 09-09-2008, 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by just4kix

Hi, I am here. I did read this thread. But admin and others had already put in their thoughts.

To access an 'ftp' site, the ftp port (21) must be open on that site. Nowadays very few site admins open their website for ftp. And then the FTP server must be in DMZ to protect the rest of the infrastructure from worms and other hacking attempts. There are two download protocols - HTTP and FTP (well, three including P2P).

It is a misconception to believe that FTP will give you better speeds.

FTP pros:

HTTP adds headers to each packer. There is no such addition in case of FTP, it is just a raw data file
HTTP encodes and compresses data before sending but not FTP. This works very well for small files.

now tht is what i call....... perfect note.. kixxi... love u man.. ur knowledge... hats off.....yippie..

HTTP pros:

HTTP reuses the existing persistent connections and hence TCP performance is better
Use of pipelines makes asking for multiple files from the same server faster
Because of automatic compression, makes less data get sent
In FTP, the transfer is serial and interface has to wait for current packet to be downloaded successfully before requesting the next packet. No such command/response flow minimizes in HTTP.

Ultimately the net outcome of course differ depending on specific details, but I would say that for single-shot static files, you won't be able to measure a difference. For a single shot small file, you might get it faster with FTP (unless the server is at a long round-trip distance). When getting multiple files, HTTP should be the faster one.

kixxxi,,, now thts very satisfactory answer.. love u buddy.. lolz... your knowledge is ossom... hats off

just4kix · 09-09-2008, 09:01 PM

Thanks.

FTP is a protocol that was invented before HTTP. Because of its security risks (HTTP has them too), most admins now allow FTP via secure methods only (SFTP). SFTP port is 22. But even then security experts are still shy of allowing FTP (or SFTP).

smoothvibes · 09-09-2008, 10:55 PM

great stuff just4kix...

honestly

09-09-2008, 12:00 AM	#14
smoothvibes Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: New Delhi/ London Posts: 3,895 Rep Power: 4	i a word called him on sat evening and his BSNL is not working, today he got the call from BSNL that its fixed now.. but as he is not here so i think it is still not fixed.. same for me even my connection is not working from last 7 days now and m at work right now __________________ ϯ Peace... May God Bless All The Victims Of 26-Nov-08. Last edited by smoothvibes; 09-09-2008 at 10:52 PM.

09-09-2008, 01:37 PM	#16
just4kix Guardian Angel Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Pune Posts: 4,126 Rep Power: 5	Hi, I am here. I did read this thread. But admin and others had already put in their thoughts. To access an 'ftp' site, the ftp port (21) must be open on that site. Nowadays very few site admins open their website for ftp. And then the FTP server must be in DMZ to protect the rest of the infrastructure from worms and other hacking attempts. There are two download protocols - HTTP and FTP (well, three including P2P). It is a misconception to believe that FTP will give you better speeds. FTP pros: HTTP adds headers to each packer. There is no such addition in case of FTP, it is just a raw data file HTTP encodes and compresses data before sending but not FTP. This works very well for small files. HTTP pros: HTTP reuses the existing persistent connections and hence TCP performance is better Use of pipelines makes asking for multiple files from the same server faster Because of automatic compression, makes less data get sent In FTP, the transfer is serial and interface has to wait for current packet to be downloaded successfully before requesting the next packet. No such command/response flow minimizes in HTTP. Ultimately the net outcome of course differ depending on specific details, but I would say that for single-shot static files, you won't be able to measure a difference. For a single shot small file, you might get it faster with FTP (unless the server is at a long round-trip distance). When getting multiple files, HTTP should be the faster one. __________________ * My computer can beat me at chess but is no match when it comes to kick-boxing * My Albums \| My Movie Collection \| Moser Baer Movies

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08-09-2008, 11:16 PM	#11
Mr.Tooth Fairy Platinum Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,006 Rep Power: 2	hmm ok smootie.. i think i will go deep.. in torrents.. like still now my port forwarding is not success.. in it.. as like what just4kix told in utorrent port forwarding tutorial,,, tht screen i mean tht settings.. i m not getting.. i have latest version of utorrent 1.8 built 11813. i dont know where tht settings come., as i think the tutrorial explained is in older version..

08-09-2008, 11:26 PM	#12
smoothvibes Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: New Delhi/ London Posts: 3,895 Rep Power: 4	dont worry will check that new version soon and will update here... i m sure out port forwarding guru just4kix will help you with new version, dont worry

08-09-2008, 11:38 PM	#13
Mr.Tooth Fairy Platinum Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,006 Rep Power: 2	HMMM ya.. dude. he is our porf forwarding guru.. lolz.. i will ask him surely now.. by the way where is he?? i dindt see him,, since ages.. last 3 days.. i was out of station.. for patients work.. before tht also.. i neva seen his replies.. i guess now a days busy.. i think

09-09-2008, 12:02 AM	#15
Mr.Tooth Fairy Platinum Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,006 Rep Power: 2	I see ok ok

09-09-2008, 09:01 PM	#18
just4kix Guardian Angel Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Pune Posts: 4,126 Rep Power: 5	Thanks. FTP is a protocol that was invented before HTTP. Because of its security risks (HTTP has them too), most admins now allow FTP via secure methods only (SFTP). SFTP port is 22. But even then security experts are still shy of allowing FTP (or SFTP).

09-09-2008, 10:55 PM	#19
smoothvibes Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: New Delhi/ London Posts: 3,895 Rep Power: 4	great stuff just4kix... honestly