ICC World T20 2009 : Discussion Board + Let's Choose One Team

[kirankumargb]

Match is gone case ...

[gothic_coder]

Lol, Good lesson for indians...Abhi aakar zameen main gire hai indian team.. Hope we're not late

[saurav_k]

We are already late GC. Dhoni is to be entirely blamed for the defeat.

- Kept on batting at No.3 for all the matches before this, and when playing against a good team he suddenly changed the batting line-up.

- His score - 11 from 23 balls. (Wasted 2 overs completely)

- Very poor field setting. When the 6th over by Bhajji was a maiden, he shouldnt have spread the field like he did. This allowed easy singles and twos. He left the leg-side totally open and Bravo & simmons kept taking Twos almost every ball.

- Missed a very easy Run-out at a crucial Stage. Both batsmen were running to the same end and Dhoni couldnt even collect the ball.

- He is more involved in Ego wars and other politics in the team. First the Sehwag issue and now Vice-Captain issue. Today BCCI declared Yuvi as the new Vice-captain and Dhoni opposed it and recommended Gautam Gambhir. He can do so, but why are these things getting leaked!!?


Khiladi jab apne aap ko khel se bada samajhne lagta hai to yahi hota hai!! This team is no more what it used to be like an year ago!! The same ego and superiorty war which let the team down during the last few months of Ganguly's captaincy is back again. No Indian captain can ever be consistent for more than 1.5-2 years. The team needs frequent change in leadership.

Even if we leave the captaincy aside, Do you think Dhoni deserves to play in the starting 11 of a national team. When was the last time, he played a match winning inning? When was the last time he took a Brilliant catch behind the wicket? He just plays for his batting average. Comes in to bat at different positions according to his comfort only even if it disturbs the batting line up. He didnt gave most batsmen enough practise during the easier matches and warm up games. He wastes balls, scores 25-30 runs and gets out without even hiting a single big shot. He has lost the ability to hit big shots completely. Infact, he is playing with minor back injury for the last one year because he wants to make the full out of his captaincy period and also beacuse of various sponsorship obligations. Does he even looks like a captain on the field. A captain needs to be pro-active in the field. He looks absolutely Dumb to me in the field and people call this coolness. Thats why the name: Captain Cool.. (Rubbish)

All this sounds harsh, but is the reality. This happened with every Indian captain in the past. I can sense another bad phase in Indian Cricket at least for the next year or so. It will take some debate and about 4-5 big series' time for everyone to realize that the Dhoni magic is over.

P.S - I have never been a fan of Dhoni. I always think that he is the most hyped cricketer in Indian Cricket History without almost any ability.

[kirankumargb]

cool down mate,,, just take it as a game not as a religion.

I know it hurts, but cant do anything just accept it thats all.

[saurav_k]

@KK

I know, my post seems too much just for loosing a match. It is not just because India lost today. If you read my regular posts in this thread, I have always been saying these things about Dhoni.

I am very passionate about cricket. I dont want to say it myself, but this is one sport which I understand very well and also used to play well. I cannot stand such irresponsible and bad performance by the national team.

Sorry, If I sound Harsh..

[oshhh]

take it easy saurav. this was just another off day for team india. they will bounce back against england. but yes i do agree with you that msd didn't played to his potentials. just think all those wasted balls would have added 15-20 runs more to the total and the result would have been different. he should have given the strike to yuvi rather than wasting it. also the fielding was not upto the mark. they were not coming hard at the ball which allowed windies batsmen to rotate the strike at will. And our young brigade at the top (gmabhir , rohit,raina) also didn't fire. Another thing, team india was too focused on gayle. as soon he got out, everyone was so relaxed and casual as if they already won the match which resulted in slow fielding and loose bowling. They wanted to win the match by just restricting them and not going for the wickets.lastly, credits to windies team and especially bravo who finished match for them. all politics and egos shold be left in the dressing room and on the field they should play as team. looking forward to sunday's match

[saurav_k]

take it easy saurav. this was just another off day for team india. they will bounce back against england.

India wont be able to qualify for the semi's unless someone like Yuvraj plays extraordinary cricket and win both the next games single-handedly

but yes i do agree with you that msd didn't played to his potentials.

:no: MSD/MS/Captain Cool/Mahi/Dhoni has no potential at all. He played to his full potential. His potential is to score about run a ball against weak teams like Bangladesh and Ireland and at a strike rate of about 50% against strong teams.

also the fielding was not upto the mark. they were not coming hard at the ball which allowed windies batsmen to rotate the strike at will. And our young brigade at the top (gmabhir , rohit,raina) also didn't fire. Another thing, team india was too focused on gayle. as soon he got out, everyone was so relaxed and casual as if they already won the match which resulted in slow fielding and loose bowling.

Fielding seemed poor becaue there were lost of gaps in the field and Windies batsmen kept taking twos almost every ball. After a maiden over(6th over), the fielding should not have been completely spread. A few more fielders should have been kept in the inner circle to save singles and put more pressure. Dhoni kept the inner circle on leg side totally blank after the 6th over.

They wanted to win the match by just restricting them and not going for the wickets.lastly, credits to windies team and especially bravo who finished match for them. all politics and egos shold be left in the dressing room and on the field they should play as team. looking forward to sunday's match

Yes, full credits to Bravo. But, he couldnt have been easily runned out. Remember the instance when yuvi threw the ball to Dhoni and both batsmen were running to the same end. It looked like a sure Run out. Dhoni couldnt even collect the ball. This run out could have been a crucial wicket. Lot of runs were remaining at that stage.

[Rameshjeee]

- Kept on batting at No.3 for all the matches before this, and when playing against a good team he suddenly changed the batting line-up.

- His score - 11 from 23 balls. (Wasted 2 overs completely)

- Very poor field setting. When the 6th over by Bhajji was a maiden, he shouldnt have spread the field like he did. This allowed easy singles and twos. He left the leg-side totally open and Bravo & simmons kept taking Twos almost every ball.

- Missed a very easy Run-out at a crucial Stage. Both batsmen were running to the same end and Dhoni couldnt even collect the ball.

Its a very good review. You just posted what I wanted to post.

At the end it was a superb innings by Bravo. His innings made all the difference. Bravo! Bravo.

Now India in a must win situation in both the remaining matches.

Even in the previous T20 WC, India after losing against NZL had a must win situation again England & SAF. & the rest they say is history. I don't believe to live in the past. Past is past. What ever happened is happened.

Lets see if India can repeat the history. England is a bit easy side when compared to SAF. India must beat England easily. But against SAF, its (SAF) a far superior side.

Once again, I repeat that I will back SAF to win the tournament.

[aashaka_gandhi]

We are already late GC. Dhoni is to be entirely blamed for the defeat.

- Kept on batting at No.3 for all the matches before this, and when playing against a good team he suddenly changed the batting line-up.

- His score - 11 from 23 balls. (Wasted 2 overs completely)

- Very poor field setting. When the 6th over by Bhajji was a maiden, he shouldnt have spread the field like he did. This allowed easy singles and twos. He left the leg-side totally open and Bravo & simmons kept taking Twos almost every ball.

- Missed a very easy Run-out at a crucial Stage. Both batsmen were running to the same end and Dhoni couldnt even collect the ball.

- He is more involved in Ego wars and other politics in the team. First the Sehwag issue and now Vice-Captain issue. Today BCCI declared Yuvi as the new Vice-captain and Dhoni opposed it and recommended Gautam Gambhir. He can do so, but why are these things getting leaked!!?


Khiladi jab apne aap ko khel se bada samajhne lagta hai to yahi hota hai!! This team is no more what it used to be like an year ago!! The same ego and superiorty war which let the team down during the last few months of Ganguly's captaincy is back again. No Indian captain can ever be consistent for more than 1.5-2 years. The team needs frequent change in leadership.

Even if we leave the captaincy aside, Do you think Dhoni deserves to play in the starting 11 of a national team. When was the last time, he played a match winning inning? When was the last time he took a Brilliant catch behind the wicket? He just plays for his batting average. Comes in to bat at different positions according to his comfort only even if it disturbs the batting line up. He didnt gave most batsmen enough practise during the easier matches and warm up games. He wastes balls, scores 25-30 runs and gets out without even hiting a single big shot. He has lost the ability to hit big shots completely. Infact, he is playing with minor back injury for the last one year because he wants to make the full out of his captaincy period and also beacuse of various sponsorship obligations. Does he even looks like a captain on the field. A captain needs to be pro-active in the field. He looks absolutely Dumb to me in the field and people call this coolness. Thats why the name: Captain Cool.. (Rubbish)

All this sounds harsh, but is the reality. This happened with every Indian captain in the past. I can sense another bad phase in Indian Cricket at least for the next year or so. It will take some debate and about 4-5 big series' time for everyone to realize that the Dhoni magic is over.

P.S - I have never been a fan of Dhoni. I always think that he is the most hyped cricketer in Indian Cricket History without almost any ability.

I soo agree with you.... on almost all of the points....biggest blunder was he let raina come one down.......while watching the match could make out tht hez taken money.....- match fixing....

yes hez hyped soo much but he actually played good n he could hit well...off late i vent seen him play any of his captains innings....be it IPL or WC.....! dunno whts wrong with him ....anywhich ways he was never had proper training initially as some of our players....

also ishant sharma bowled poor ....i dunno he kept on bowling on short length....

in all a poor decision by Dhoni....felt as if it was a practice session

i hope this gets their over confidence to come down....

after IPL it was the first match we all frens decided to watch all togather.....n wht a waste it was!

[saurav_k]

Kya baat hai? Nobody watching match today? SA vs WI going on at the moment. It is a crucial game from India's Point of view also. SA looks favourite to win at this stage.

[kirankumargb]

NZ are not in good position now 64-4 in 11 overs

Pak is making good comeback

[saurav_k]

Pak almost sure now to win the game ... good come back by them after the first loss against Sri Lanka

[gothic_coder]

Okay guys, It's saturday night...errrrr sunday morning, Had Vodka Red and Blender's Pride and couple of beers, So forgive me anything wrong i write, Though i write very less..

I totally agree with saurav, It's all bout ego what Mr.Dhoni is going through, I won't say that i wasn't fan of dhoni, i was, but i'm not because he's not concentrating on captaincy, I would be very happiest person to praise dhoni captaincy(If it proves) if india move to semi's and eventually win finals, Why the hell these guys don't understand that playing with indian team is far more superior than their indivisual ego.. Hope these guys understand these things...




P.S
I'm talli

[saurav_k]

Okay guys, It's saturday night...errrrr sunday morning, Had Vodka Red and Blender's Pride and couple of beers,

Oye!! Akele hi pi liya?! :drool:

So forgive me anything wrong i write, Though i write very less..

I would be very happiest person to praise dhoni captaincy(If it proves) if india move to semi's and eventually win finals, Why the hell these guys don't understand that playing with indian team is far more superior than their indivisual ego

You are really Talli!! :lol:

[Rameshjeee]

South Africa have booked a spot in the Semis...unk: Common on Proteus..unk:

Its a Do-or-Die match today for both India & England. Which ever teams wins the today's match will move 1 step forward towards the semis spot. The team which loses would be out of the tournament. It will be an exciting match to watch. Lets see if India could repeat what they did in the previous T20 WC against England.

[Sid]

India is in same stage as it was last time.India lost to NZ during T20 WC'07 and then had to win against England and S.A for the semis spot.India managed to do so last time.Lets see what happens this time.India is in a need for desperate win against England & S.A. to reach semis.Hope that they are able to repeat their 2007 performance

[saurav_k]

The team which loses would be out of the tournament.

:no: Not yet.

Think about the scenario:

India beats England

England beats WI

SA beats India

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There will be a three way tie between All the three teams -> India, WI & England

and NET Run Rate Will be the Deciding factor.

[gothic_coder]

Oye!! Akele hi pi liya?! :drool:



You are really Talli!! :lol:

, I was really talli .... But not now :tt2:

:no: Not yet.

Think about the scenario:

India beats England

England beats WI

SA beats India

------------

There will be a three way tie between All the three teams -> India, WI & England

and NET Run Rate Will be the Deciding factor.

Correct, All we need to do or it would be right to say that we need to win really big, Leave all the scenario, Just go for win....

[Rameshjeee]

:no: Not yet.

Think about the scenario:

India beats England

England beats WI

SA beats India

------------

There will be a three way tie between All the three teams -> India, WI & England

and NET Run Rate Will be the Deciding factor.

Yup, that's a possibility...but I don't see that coming..Anyways lets see what happens.

[Sid]

well T20 is the most unpredictible game....You can't say who will win or not !!!.....that's the most exciting part of the game!!!...

[saurav_k]

Sri Lanka Won the toss against Ireland and are batting fisrt ...

The is a Big day for India ... A must win.... Will Yuvi again Hit Six Sixes in an over to Stuart Broad!!?

[Sid]

Ireland bowling pretty well. Not giving any easy runs.
Mahela going well.
Sri Lanka 124-4 (17)

Edited :

Good Bowling by Ireland---

Lanka Managed only 144-9 in their 20 overs.

Lets see how Irish team bats to chase the total.

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Edited :

Ireland going well a bit slow but tthey haven't lost any wicket

Score :Ireland :59-0(9) Require 86 from 66 deliveries.....

[saurav_k]

71 from 45 balls... 9 wickets in hand ... Can Ireland do it!!

[Sid]

71 from 45 balls... 9 wickets in hand ... Can Ireland do it!!

Maybe.....

[meetdilip]

Whose win will benefit India ?