ICC World T20 2009 : Discussion Board + Let's Choose One Team

[just4kix]

Lest everyone thinks that I am gunning for dhoni's head (posts 295/296)? Please perish the thought. It was just a joke.

[saurav_k]

Is the end of Dhoni's magic. I think Dhoni's honeymoon with team India is over..

I have been saying this again and again...

Loosing doesnt disappoints as much as the Arrogant and Negligent approach does. Even when he apologized to the fans in the press conference after the match, his tone was very aggresive ... Gambhir, Praveen Kumar, Raina were laughing when India was looking sure to loose towards the end of the match ... I have no Words!! such a Shame!

Lest everyone thinks that I am gunning for dhoni's head (posts 295/296)? Please perish the thought. It was just a joke.

Do you like Dhoni as a cricketer? As a captain?

I hope not, He committed mistake, and i guess that's real lesson he get, IMO he should be given one more chance to prove that earlier success was not by chance.. Sacking dhoni won't do any good for indian team, They need to rethink again where they lack behind(They know now), and hope for the best...

Dont worry .... He will get many chances. At least 4-5 series. This happens with every Indian captain ... It will take time for everyone to realize that its time for change ...

[gothic_coder]

Lest everyone thinks that I am gunning for dhoni's head (posts 295/296)? Please perish the thought. It was just a joke.

We understand Kix

Gambhir, Praveen Kumar, Raina were laughing when India was looking sure to loose towards the end of the match ... I have no Words!! such a Shame!

Yes i saw that moment...Very shameful and disgusting act... We're loosing and those guys were laughing ,and why not they will get their paycheck.. :32:

Do you like Dhoni as a cricketer? As a captain?

I do.. Also i agree he's not doing well as cricketer or captain now days, but that doesn't mean we should make dhoni as target,I prefer to give him another chance...

[itsmemad]

Our memory is so short... 2 yrs back when India won the T-20 world cup dhoni was like national hero... Everyone was praising him for his captaincy... and how he transformed a bunch of young guns into match winners...

Everyone goes through the slump sometime in his career... including Tendulkar, Ganguly, Dravid, etc... Dhoni is no exception... And when ur form isn't with u... Ur luck goes away too... all the decisions u take just go wrong...

[just4kix]

Our memory is so short... 2 yrs back when India won the T-20 world cup dhoni was like national hero... Everyone was praising him for his captaincy... and how he transformed a bunch of young guns into match winners...

Everyone goes through the slump sometime in his career... including Tendulkar, Ganguly, Dravid, etc... Dhoni is no exception... And when ur form isn't with u... Ur luck goes away too... all the decisions u take just go wrong...

Could not have said so better myself.

[saurav_k]

Our memory is so short... 2 yrs back when India won the T-20 world cup dhoni was like national hero... Everyone was praising him for his captaincy... and how he transformed a bunch of young guns into match winners...

Everyone goes through the slump sometime in his career... including Tendulkar, Ganguly, Dravid, etc... Dhoni is no exception... And when ur form isn't with u... Ur luck goes away too... all the decisions u take just go wrong...

Luck was all Dhoni had till now. I never act so critically on a particular cricketer but Dhoni is an exception. All the players you mentioned were brilliant cricketers. Nobody can doubt there abilities!! Is there any real ability in Dhoni? When was the last time you saw dhoni hitting boundaries and sixes and play a match winning inning? when was the last time you saw Dhoni take a gr8 catch behind the wickets?

Abhi itna type karne ka man nahi kar raha hai!!

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Even in the last world cup: Dhoni never played a single good inning. The team was fresh, young and in high spirits. they fought hard and won.

Last night, he was defending when India needed more than 60 of 30 balls. :lol:

the intent is missing. and this is most annoying.

[itsmemad]

Abhi itna type karne ka man nahi kar raha hai!!

Mere ko bhi nahi kar raha....

Could not have said so better myself.

Thanks J4X!

[just4kix]

SK, you will realise one day - luck is only a 10% player. Dhoni's ability as a leader is irrefutable. There are many reason's for the defeat. Blaming Dhoni alone, and likewise not blaming him at all, will be sheer folly.

[saurav_k]

I am not blaming Dhoni for this defeat only. If someone repeats the mistakes again and again and still act arrogantly, then alternatives should be tried.

This is the exact same way the downfall of Ganguly started. This happens with every Indian captain ... Dhoni had his good time. Won many important series and even the T20 WC. As a result, He was Hyped beyond limits. He was good as a captain but not as a cricketer. He started his International career with a bang. Scored century against pak. Was a big hitter. But he has lost the ability to hit big shots. Dhoni isnt at all a technically sound batsman. His captaincy was his strong point which is failing consistently now. He is being too arrogant and making unacceptable mistakes. there are internal clashes in the team. players laugh when team is about to loose.

Anyways.. Lets see what happens in future. Dhoni will get a not so tough one day series to prove himself against West Indies soon.

I wont criticize Dhoni anymore ... I am overdoing it.

But, I hate Dhoni. He is not of the standards to play in a national team.

[itsmemad]

So come out with ur opinion on alternatives...
1. Whoz the best man to lead India if its not Dhoni?
2. Whoz the better wicket-keeper batsman to replace Dhoni for a long term if hez not of the standards to play in national team?

[rupu1983]

Our memory is so short... 2 yrs back when India won the T-20 world cup dhoni was like national hero

Back little more i still remember 2 and half year ago few person did agitation in Ranchi (Dhoni's resident) when India lost the World Cup in West Indies and Dhoni contributed in that world cup only 0 (Bangladeesh),20 (Bermuda),0 (SriLanka) in three matches.So when people can forget all memory within 6 month then 2 years is big period i think.
Now yesterday I also think that he did few mistake but i don't want to criticize for that i only think that when he came into bad in number 6 position that time he did not able to play one good shot only in last ball he hit one good boundary other two boundary from behind the wicket totally outside edge.
Yes I also feel that Dhoni is lucky captain than few other previous Indian captain and also he has got one good Indian team and in his captaincy India archived several victory and that's the ultimate think what he already proved.

[gothic_coder]

He started his International career with a bang. Scored century against pak. Was a big hitter. But he has lost the ability to hit big shots. Dhoni isnt at all a technically sound batsman. His captaincy was his strong point which is failing consistently now.

I don't think so, Dhoni is/was very intelligent cricketer, He was aggressive batsmen but when he was given responsibility he switched his game, Build his inning when needed (Don't get confused that he lost his ability to play shot), I vividly remember yuvi/dhoni pair was treated as match winning/finishing pair.. This is his bad patch ,and whatever he's doing is not working as maddy mentioned, I strongly criticized what dhoni did yesterday, That second last ball wala thing... But i still have faith on him and i hope he just bounce up soon...

He is being too arrogant and making unacceptable mistakes. there are internal clashes in the team. players laugh when team is about to loose.

Dhoni alone shouldn't be blamed for internal clashes and player attitude when team was loosing... I'm not sure about post-match ceremony, what he said so can't comment on that..

Anyways.. Lets see what happens in future. Dhoni will get a not so tough one day series to prove himself against West Indies soon.

No series is gonna easy for indian team, Specially after embarrassing departure from WC T20...

I wont criticize Dhoni anymore ... I am overdoing it.

But, I hate Dhoni. He is not of the standards to play in a national team.

Many men, Many head...





P.S
Peace bro... Thand Rakho, Aish karo

[saurav_k]

So come out with ur opinion on alternatives...
1. Whoz the best man to lead India if its not Dhoni?
2. Whoz the better wicket-keeper batsman to replace Dhoni for a long term if hez not of the standards to play in national team?

1) Well, I cannot predict the best captain but Dhoni is doing poor at this moment. Sehwag or Yuvraj can be good captains. Though I am a big fan of Yuvraj Singh, I would say he is not suited for captiancy. He is a bit ignorant and careless at times.

2) I dont consider Dhoni either as a proper wicket-keeper or a proper batsman.

I again ask the same question: Can anyone remind me, when was the last time Dhoni took a brilliant catch behind the wicket?! or even a good stumping? or a blazing inning with the bat?

India in the past have always struggled to find good WK Batsman and all-rounders. Dinesh Kartik is a proper wicket keeper at least and has shown good form with the bat also recently.

P.S - I am not saying all this just fot the sake of arguing. dont take me otherwise here.

Back little more i still remember 2 and half year ago few person did agitation in Ranchi (Dhoni's resident) when India lost the World Cup in West Indies and Dhoni contributed in that world cup only 0 (Bangladeesh),20 (Bermuda),0 (SriLanka) in three matches.So when people can forget all memory within 6 month then 2 years is big period i think.
Now yesterday I also think that he did few mistake but i don't want to criticize for that i only think that when he came into bad in number 6 position that time he did not able to play one good shot only in last ball he hit one good boundary other two boundary from behind the wicket totally outside edge.
Yes I also feel that Dhoni is lucky captain than few other previous Indian captain and also he has got one good Indian team.

I havent forgot what happened two years ago. My memory in case of cricket is very good.

[itsmemad]

Back little more i still remember 2 and half year ago few person did agitation in Ranchi (Dhoni's resident) when India lost the World Cup in West Indies and Dhoni contributed in that world cup only 0 (Bangladeesh),20 (Bermuda),0 (SriLanka) in three matches.So when people can forget all memory within 6 month then 2 years is big period i think.

Thats what I'm trying to say... We are so emotional that we make someone hero one day and other day we make him a zero... It adds to pressure on a player... And subsequently affects his form... We tend to over-react after every series whether India wins or loses...

1) Well, I cannot predict the best captain but Dhoni is doing poor at this moment. Sehwag or Yuvraj can be good captains. Though I am a big fan of Yuvraj Singh, I would say he is not suited for captiancy. He is a bit ignorant and careless at times.

Sehwag is so inconsistent... I don't think he'll be a consistent captain either... Moreover hez most unfit batsman... Breaks down very frequently... I share the same thoughts about yuvi...

2) Dinesh Kartik is a proper wicket keeper at least and has shown good form with the bat also recently.

Dinesh Kartik had been given enough chances... But he squandered them all the time... So he should perform for a longer period at domestic level to wear the Indian cap again...

I don't think so, Dhoni is/was very intelligent cricketer, He was aggressive batsmen but when he was given responsibility he switched his game, Build his inning when needed (Don't get confused that he lost his ability to play shot), I vividly remember yuvi/dhoni pair was treated as match winning/finishing pair..

I second that... Your understanding of cricket is similar to mine...

Dhoni alone shouldn't be blamed for internal clashes and player attitude when team was loosing... I'm not sure about post-match ceremony, what he said so can't comment on that..

Internal clashes are bound to happen as players grow in stature and ego... I predicted this to a close friend of mine who was very happy after India won the T20 world cup... and said "Mohit current players don't have any ego problem as some of the oldies had"... I replied-- "Don't jump on conclusion too soon... They'll have ego probs once they establish their place in Indian side"...

Same thing happened in between Sachin, Ganguly, Dravid on occasions... Its unavoidable... But the important thing is how they play on field... And don't let the stories of dressing room out in the media...

And I've seen Dhoni's post match interview... I didn't find anything wrong or arrogance in that... Cricketers are not good actors! People should understand that...
I'm sure whole Indian team must be feeling disheartend... Its the time they need support of fans... Not their abuses, stones and agitation...

[Dragon]

Sorry for my late comments

Take a look of scenario, India needed 9 of 2 balls, Sure pathan tried for six, he hit and he run hard for two, but dhoni refuses, Why in the hell he didn't took his chances, i mean had that been 2 runs india would need 6 for draw, and yusuf would be in crease, i know i'm asking too much, But i guess i prefer hitting 6 rather than taking my chance for bowler to bowl no ball... That is real gross..

I totally agree with you here. You must have seen that he was hesitating in taking the second run each time. I was so pissed off with him, he should have given more strikes to Yusuf. Also, i agree that Jadeja throwed a wonderful spell but still replacing him with Irfan wasn't a good idea when you have replacement options like Gambhir/raina and dhoni himself

Defending Champions Knocked out of the T20 2009 WC :clap:

I agree that everyone has a right to say his words, but atleast don't clap on India's defeat. I mean you can cherish england's win but atleast don't jump with happiness on india's defeat. Please don't mind my words, you are like brother to me.

Is the end of Dhoni's magic. I think Dhoni's honeymoon with team India is over..

I don't think it should be the end of Dhoni. True, Dhoni holds a good percentage of the reason why India lost pie graph, but one can't ignore his captaincy skills, his sucessful experiments, the cups we won under him etc.

Blaming Dhoni alone, and likewise not blaming him at all, will be sheer folly.

Correct, Blame Gambhir, Raina along with him. I had a alot of expectations from Raina in special, especially after his performance in IPL, but he let us down.

1. Whoz the best man to lead India if its not Dhoni?

I am happy with his captaincy skills, though he needs to be more serious about his work, still if he needs to be replaced, I will choose from Sachin or sehwag

2. Whoz the better wicket-keeper batsman to replace Dhoni for a long term if hez not of the standards to play in national team?

Currently, No one.

Apart from all this drama, I would like to highlight few points:

• I feel like killing Dhoni, whenever I see him in AIRCELL advt. esp. when he showers that big smile and says "It makes me feel like Man of the Match"
  
• Yuvi and Dhoni have alot of attitude problem which is not a good sign for India
  
• Rajiv Shukla: "We should now concentrate on WI series ahead":33:
  
• Dhoni : Our Batting was the main reason for the defeat, but we shouldn't be worrying about my Batting, its totally fine.:2guns:

[saurav_k]

I don't think so, Dhoni is/was very intelligent cricketer, He was aggressive batsmen but when he was given responsibility he switched his game, Build his inning when needed (Don't get confused that he lost his ability to play shot), I vividly remember yuvi/dhoni pair was treated as match winning/finishing pair.. This is his bad patch ,and whatever he's doing is not working as maddy mentioned, I strongly criticized what dhoni did yesterday, That second last ball wala thing... But i still have faith on him and i hope he just bounce up soon...

Arre bhai.. I understand Dhoni is intelligent. I know the kind of batting he is doing for the last 1-2 years shows the responsibility he is taking. Mujhe bhi pata hai ye sab.. He should play responsible knocks like he does... but that doesnt mean when the team needs big shots and acceleration he would still defend and take singles. When India needed more than 60 of 30 balls yesterday, Dhoni was looking to take singles only. He wasnt even trying to hit in the one over he got from the spinner "Swann". There was no intent in his batting. He is doing this in every match. Taking singles and twos, getting the run rate down and then getting out on the first attempt of hitting a big shot. This is T20 cricket. When he started his cricket, he was suitable for this kind of batting only. But, now he cannot hit big shots at all. Luck doesnt works everytime. This kind of batting is OK for test cricket and ODIs.

Sehwag is so inconsistent... I don't think he'll be a consistent captain either... Moreover hez most unfit batsman... Breaks down very frequently... I share the same thoughts about yuvi...

Sehwag has been quite consistent. If he plays consistently in every match, India will win every match. On his day, He is the most dangerous batsman in the world. He has proved his captaincy skills in IPL.

Dinesh Kartik had been given enough chances... But he squandered them all the time... So he should perform for a longer period at domestic level to wear the Indian cap again...

Dinesh Kartik has been in and out of team beacuse there is no space in the team for an extra wicket keeper. Still he has made it to the team numerous times only for his batting abilities.

I am not a fan of Kartik. But, he has the talent. I wont say that he is a better batsman than Dhoni, but certainly a better keeper.

I'm sure whole Indian team must be feeling disheartend... Its the time they need support of fans... Not their abuses, stones and agitation...

I remember the faces of Indian players when they were eliminated from the 2007 ODI WC. Everyone was looking so disappointed and down. But, saw most indian players joking, smiling and laughing last night when the team was about to loose.

[gothic_coder]

@ saurav

Are bhai woh jaan-bhujkar to aisa nahi kar raha hai nah, As far as hitting at that time(60 runs 30 balls) is concerned IMO he was keen to give strike back to yusuf, who is powerful hitter, Had dhoni tried at that time and got out india would never reach near 150 or may be india reach and win becuase of harbhajan strike :tt2:... He tried real hard, But couldn't hit, That's all....He experiment in last version of T20 also, Giving Joginder last over and misbah getting out of foolish ball, Had he hit that six or four, We would have critisize dhoni at that time only...

He did committed some big mistake, all we need to give him another chance...



P.S
I'm happy that you changed your avatar...

[saurav_k]

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I agree that everyone has a right to say his words, but atleast don't clap on India's defeat. I mean you can cherish england's win but atleast don't jump with happiness on india's defeat. Please don't mind my words, you are like brother to me.

I second Manish.

Correct, Blame Gambhir, Raina along with him. I had a alot of expectations from Raina in special, especially after his performance in IPL, but he let us down.

Dont blame Raina Manish. He was supposed to bat at No.3 from the beginning of the tournament. He was not given any chance to practice. Dhoni batted at No.3 in the Warm up games and the easier matches against Ireland and BD. Then, why send Raina at no.3 against stronger oppositions.!!

• I feel like killing Dhoni, whenever I see him in AIRCELL advt. esp. when he showers that big smile and says "It makes me feel like Man of the Match"
  
• Yuvi and Dhoni have alot of attitude problem which is not a good sign for India
  
• Rajiv Shukla: "We should now concentrate on WI series ahead":33:
  
• Dhoni : Our Batting was the main reason for the defeat, but we shouldn't be worrying about my Batting, its totally fine.:2guns:

:lol: Arrogance. Even when he was appolozising to the fans in ther Press conference he was sounding very Arrogant.

Take a look of scenario, India needed 9 of 2 balls, Sure pathan tried for six, he hit and he run hard for two, but dhoni refuses, Why in the hell he didn't took his chances, i mean had that been 2 runs india would need 6 for draw, and yusuf would be in crease, i know i'm asking too much, But i guess i prefer hitting 6 rather than taking my chance for bowler to bowl no ball... That is real gross..

Isnt this an example of "Lack of Intent" I am talking about!!

[Rameshjeee]

I second Manish.

Dont blame Raina Manish. He was supposed to be bat at No.3 from the beginning of the tournament. He was not given any chance to practice. Dhoni batted at No.3 in the Warm up games and the easier matches against Ireland and BD. Then, why send Raina at no.3 against stronger oppositions.!!

A batsman must be ready to play at any position. Its international cricket.

I agree that everyone has a right to say his words, but atleast don't clap on India's defeat. I mean you can cherish england's win but atleast don't jump with happiness on india's defeat. Please don't mind my words, you are like brother to me.

What else to do...Indian team played so badly that...

[saurav_k]

A batsman must be ready to play at any position. Its international cricket.

You mean Batting order doesnt matters in International Cricket!!

[Rameshjeee]

You mean Batting order doesnt matters in International Cricket!!

I never meant that...

[saurav_k]

So, what did you mean?

I was trying to say that, If Raina was to bat at no.3 in important matches, why was he not given practise in the warm-up matches and the group stage matches against Ireland and BD? It is one of the most important batting positions. Raina consistently did well at No.3 in IPL. Why did Dhoni chose to bat at No.3 in easy matches and sent Raina at no.3 in tougher games!! Raina should have been given the practise opportunities in the earlier matches. Is this all not about the batting order!!?

[Rameshjeee]

I was trying to say that, If Raina was to bat at no.3 in important matches, why was he not given practise in the warm-up matches and the group stage matches against Ireland and BD? It is one of the most important batting positions. Raina consistently did well at No.3 in IPL. Why did Dhoni chose to bat at No.3 in easy matches and sent Raina at no.3 in tougher games!! Raina should have been given the practise opportunities in the earlier matches. Is this all not about the batting order!!?

Dhoni will in a better position to answers this....

[Dragon]

:lol::lol::lol:

[kirankumargb]

ah atlast the true act of Indian team captain came out ...
always EGO blah blah blah... i am happy i didnt watch the match or else my parents would kick me out of the house (i would have thrown something at TV )