IPL - Boon or Bane for Indian cricket?

[hitler517]

Hi, I'm starting this thread because just4kix suggested it in another thread.

The money spinning IPL has invited a lot of controversy in recent times. Two big guns Lalit Modi and Shashi Tharoor were sacked owing to the controversy(investigations pending).

So, now that India crashed out of World T20 World Cup, the attention is back on IPL after an interval of mild silence. It is worth an inspection.

The IPL was meant(or publicized so) to find the local talents from all over the country. It did find many talents like Rohit Sharma, Suresh Raina, Pragyan Ojha, Shaun Marsh...

But did IPL succeed in its goal?

Surely all the franchisees made money out of it. But did the original intention to nurture talents succeed?

At the end of the day, cricket is just a game. Like every job has a dignity, every game must also have its own dignity. Instead of keeping the dignity of cricket, what did IPL do?

Late night parties, cheer girls, match fixing... allegations continues....

Even the team coach and captain has come up against IPL, though vaguely.

The question remains is, did IPL do good for Indain cricket?
Or it just turned out to be means to whitewash the blackmoney of the franchisees?

[HACKdown]

I think it brought some talents to the Indian cricket.
I'm against banning IPL but I think a bit of change in the system is required.
BCCI should govern it rather than selecting person like lalit modi as the head.
He should be thrown out from the head post of IPL and also he must be charged fines.

And yes duration of IPL should be short. some 2 weeks which means less matches.
And yeah that match fixing part, it must be prevented for sure.
Aha cheerleaders, they must be kept. I like watching cheerleaders more than the fixed game being played.
Oh, then it would be better if we have only a dance show by those beautiful cheerleaders next year.

This is the pic of dirty man.

This man should be thrown out of the country.

[meetdilip]

For 45 days I had my evenings occupied. IPl is a good entertainment and it does it job well. Similar to film making, big guns are using it to make money and polish their black money. It is happening in every field. So why ban IPL alone?

[mickey]

IPL is a death of Indian cricket..

[just4kix]

IPL in itself is not bad. It helps uncover unknown people. It aso gives people to earn a lot of money.

As far as the parties go, it is now understood that initially it was compulsory for the players to attend. Now it is no more so. Players can refuse parties now. They should be sensible on what they can or cannot do.

The reason for the ire on IPL probably comes from the failure of the Indian team to win any of the Super 8 matches in both previous T-20 world cups. The problem is the timing. The IPL takes it toll, whatever one may say. The intesity of the games, the pressure of media, the travel and the hot weather in March-April (especially in Southern States), etc. The T-20 WC was immediately a week later. Any cricket tournament must create an intesity to win; the IPL even more so because franchise owner demand their ROI. It is not easy to build this intensity all over again.

Many may argue, why it did not affect the foreign players? My theory is - it did to an extent but there are also differences.

• The foreign team that was closest to full participation like India was South Africa. They also failed miserably.
• Srilanka was the next and although they did reach the semi's it was more because of default rather than some good play.
• The foreign players are not subject to the intense media scrutiny/pressure as the Indians. They come, they play, they enjoy. But every Indian player is carefully dissected by the media. Consequently, foreign players are a little better off.

And finally, the fact is also true that Indian players could not handle the pace and bounce.

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@HACKdown, that picture could have easily been doctored.

[renjith 15]

ipl is did't death of Indian cricket.. ipl is a training of all indian players.

[iorhld]

i can't believe people say IPL gives chance for people to earn money.the truth is more like "IPL gives chance for people who have money to earn more money".and the common people spend their hard earned money to watch some fools with wooden stick and ball,and that too includes corruption.

just mention to me one instance of how IPL or cricket has helped put food on the plate of a poor family.i know the answer would be-many cricketers donate millions to charity,truth is if they spend 1 unit of money,the press reports of 10 unit of money being donated and in return the sponsers give away 100 units worth of deal to those retards.
india doesn't need IPL or commonwealth games,these things are better suited for "developed" "rich" countries,not some third world poor country ruled by uneducated morons in kurtas and dhotis who think the best way to put forward a point in parliament is to hurl chairs at each other.

[Admin]

i can't believe people say IPL gives chance for people to earn money.the truth is more like "IPL gives chance for people who have money to earn more money".and the common people spend their hard earned money to watch some fools with wooden stick and ball,and that too includes corruption.

Have a rethink on this. How much employment is created by such events? Common people spend money for watching IPL because they want to watch it and the enjoyment they get out of it is worth for them else they wont spend the money as there is no compulsion to subscribe to such channels. Entertainment is a very important part of anyone's life and IPL happens to entertain the majority in India so why not? Better then spending Rs200 per head on a movies.. its only 30 rs something a month I guess for sports channels and cable wala's beam it with no extra cost as far as I know.
Rich people getting rich?? why not? Only those people who took the risk. Why didint you float a company and buy out a team when it was up for grabs?

There is no excuse not to have such events be it games or otherwise... this is what collectively make a nation. IPL has been a great success and I am proud that it happened in India not in UK or Australia or else where... Brings in **** loads of money into the country through different channels and a lot of money that would have gone else where stays in the country.

Flaws? corruption? well there will be and it will keep improving as we go farward.
I would love it if all the IPL matches are played within India and this becomes a permanent feature for ever and it would be great to see tourists come to India for watching IPL matches... they will stay in hotels not sleep on the streets.... spend money on food, shopping.. and what not.
Dont be a frog in the well ... try jumping out for a bit and see what made some countries develop and some remain poor.

just mention to me one instance of how IPL or cricket has helped put food on the plate of a poor family.

Only those who choose to remain poor are poor in India and food is never a problem in India with so many temples and gurdwaras serving free food. According to a survey conducted by a friend of mine for a forign company at Gurguwara sisganj at chandni chonk at NewDelhi there are about 20k people who come to have food there twice a day daily 7 days a week and no one gets told off for being a regular and there are more then 10 gurdwaras in Delhi alone which serve food all day long 7 days a week and I am sure there must be some temples and Mosques doing that as well... so dont bullshit me about food on poor people's plates.

I invite every poor man/woman to Amritsar to have free food at the golden temple for the rest of their lives... just jump on to a train going to Amritsar and the gurdwara isint too far from the station... 150k people eat food every day and another few million on top wont put a dent anywhere... Let the government handle the crowd properly and there will be food for every one.

Foodless hungry people you see on traffic lights are professional beggars and none of them goes hungry... You might come up with an argument that not every one knows about places to get free food... well then go around spread the word verbally or on radios as those people you are talking about wont read this message on the forum as they probably are not computer literate.

By the way the langar at vaishno devi (Katra) by T-series is also pretty good option for those religious types poor hungry people who don't want to have onions and garlic and trust me food there is "fit"

Sorry to pull this topic around too much but your remark came across as too socialist types and show your ignorance towards the capitalist market set up our country is moving towards... for good.

Dont mean to offend anyone... but if I have then please accept my apologies in advance. (Sorry I am a hard core capitalism fan)


The only thing our country lacks is proper support for people with disabilities and that includes people who are disabled due to old age... government needs to look into a social security system only for the disabled and "no one else" Any one who is able enough to work shouldn't get any job less allowance or benefit... go find a job.

[iorhld]

good point admin ji,i respect your opinion.
but i would like to contradict.real money comes from energy production the traditional way,and as far as i know a majority of the crude is imported,so that's a fail.
next comes manufacturing and indian products are crap,even average indians have a preference for chinese cheap stuff to the home made variety,so a fail here too.
technology comes next (no not the minimum wage call center out sourced jobs) and india sucks big time in that too.still shamelessly begging from the russians for a jet here,a reactor there.
education,well colleges are springing up like pimples on a horny teenager,and quality,never mind.IIT engineers are designing logos for our currency,a disgrace for engineers alltogether.and i will not talk about brain drain.
so what is left? other than making some quick buck from the gentleman's game (which apparently is played by not so gentlemenly fellows),i don't think india has any other source of income,and thus the hue and cry over IPL.but that too shall pass,hopefully,just hold on for a few more years.
only bright side to all this mess is food security,credit goes to the farmers . but wait,if u are a "framer",you automatically reserve the right to be backward and at the receiving end of the sarkari danda for asking a fair price,and capitalists like reliance fresh loot all the juice.

as for the poor people,they will stay poor for ever unless ofcourse factories and industries are opened up instead of spending millions on imported white trash hookers to shake their assets.your capitalism concept fits here real good.

and oh that putting food on poor people's plate thing,i am sorry your foreign company friend didn't know which place actually fits the survey bill,i have spent 11 years in west bengal (where by the way people are crazy about IPL),and i have seen what real poverty is.compare that to delhi, punjab, haryana belt and the free food given away by gurudwara langars is like giving ice to a eskimo.

by the way,i have nothing to offer, atleast not what this country needs, so i consider myself passive in this whole scenario.i am just exercising my right to free speech and freedom of expression of opinion.

[Admin]

No! I do not agree with you on your real money comes from oil remark to an extent that I feel it is unnecessary to explain why your statement holds no ground atall.
But any way here we go...
Japan, Germany, Uk, Finland, Switzerland, France... how much oil do these countries produce?
Oil and gas are going to be history in a couple of decades... what then? All we need is electricity and that in future will come from the nuclear plants.. cars will run on electricity. What would you use crude oil for?? Vaseline? well we produce that much crude ourselves and will have plenty left over once the oil era is gone.

IPL is not the only money making business in India... which world do you live in? Try having a look at companies included in nifty and we will have another chat on what other businesses are there in India.... We can talk about the small scale industry some other day coz the nifty talk is more then enough to prove a point.

I would like to correct your "foreign company friend" remark.. Its not foreign company friend its a friend who conducted the survey "for" a foreign company and the friend I am talking about runs a consultancy right here at NewDelhi.

" imported white trash hookers"

Have a look at this video : YouTube - IPL Cheerleaders

Which one of them looks like a hooker to you? Its just that you cannot stand a confident young girl who is proud of her self and walks with her head held high... You just want to see women in their Indian style miserable state like you see in the saas bahu nataks every evening. You do not have any right to call any of those pretty girls hookers...

About westbengal and all that... who asked people there to vote in a communist government? That state is suffering because people there dont know which party is the right party or shall we say lesser wrong party... Dont get started about Kerela because even though the human developement there has been better then the rest of India the state is lagging behind economically and more then 20% of the GDP is remittances from Arab countries by Kerala migrant workers.

What is real poverty? I don't see poverty anywhere and the beggars don't want a job coz Ive offered a job to lots of them and they proudly want to stick to begging and are happy with what they are doing.
If you ever come across poor people again ask them why they are poor and post it here and we can have a nice little chat again.

[iorhld]

nuclear power-

i knew it would boil down to it.yes,it's absolutely the way to go,no doubt,and hats off to people who are working on it,india and abroad.fission or fusion,the holy grail,future looks bright.

alternate renewable resources-

forget solar,wind,hydro,it's obvious these things are dependent on so many factors,that the final benefits sometimes outweigh the investments,or something like that.but i have a feeling,the world, india in particular underestimates the earth itself,or whats left of it in the core in terms of thermal energy.i have a hard time believing that there isn't enough technology for a deep well boring when fact is millions of miles of outer space missions have been made possible and just a 10-15 Km well has presidents and prime ministers scratching their heads.CAPITALISM at its finest,no one needs messy projects,where are the adventurers or shall i say the so called risk takers (your words,not mine),easy buck is the only buck,IPL serves the purpose.

west bengal-

yes,for 25 odd years,communist have ruled,and i would like to correct your opinion that the people are to blame.a "thirsty" person looks for water,he doesn't care if it gets added as a debt,human nature,and add to it the literacy factor,what we get is a perfect scenario of the rich getting rich and rest rots in hell.
FACT-why TATA nano factory didn't happen,because politicians provided a BETTER deal,poor remained poor and politicians or shall i say the people with MODERN thinking basked in the glory of victory.

FACT-a major PSU named haldia fertilizer got shut down before my eyes,problem was some synchronization problems in compressors (i got inside information),and the government was too proud to ask for help from the foreign OEM,so the whole plant got shut down,rich politicians 1,citizens 0,and oh the laid off engineers even got to keep their monthly salary,a modern township as well their pension plan when instead the scene could have been quiet different.capitalism could have saved the day,where was it then,no where near, because rich people in power wanted to take the easy way out.

PRETTY(your words,not mine) girls-

the term itself is a disgrace to the whole gender.since when did being pretty get into the talent dictionary.it gives "them" just one more reason to make a quick buck the easy way by being EYE CANDY.FAIRER SEX,yes encourage them to pursue that line and it won't be long before all of them will be out of their "JOBS",cause the other half of the gene which needs to be there to complete the circle,got pot bellies,thanx to the invention of IPL entertainment.

BTW,your assumption of me being the one who likes to see females stuck in a deadlock of sas bahu drama,is totally wrong.had this world be my way,there would be no gender bias and women wouldn't get to be the one at home "cleaning toilets".here also i would bring in the capitalism concept and some of its bad effects,TV channels and the age old sas bahu crap,what will the real people learn ?easy way money for cheap entertainment,bandwidth hogger.

i totally agree,the so called beggars make it their profession,so they can't be helped out,not at this moment anyways.but poverty also has to do with some of our age old tradition,something called being labelled poor because of their profession,take for example a "shoe maker" or a "rickshaw puller's" offspring if gets into IIT,it's news and people and sometimes even government tend to "glorify" the achievement,but not how much brain racking the kid had to do to get there,and no one even talks about the other kids of the same "catagory" who didn't make it.money has nothing to do with the brain usage,it's just a catalyst and we are still to come to terms with that concept.brain needs to be roped in and not physical skills,if not what's the point of being human?
human nature to lick off the cream off the milk,and discard the rest.isn't this another way of defining capitalism?

capitalism or socialism,black or white? no,it's old concept,we need to get color vision.

[mihir94]

hie guys, sorry am not so active in IBF now due to studies

Let me put my Point here
and dont wander off the topic
Pros and Cons of IPL
+ points-
-Increase In the Economical growth of India
-Discovery of new talent like Virat kohli,Suresh Raina
-Improvement in indias world image

- points
-massive corruption
-Match Fixing
-Indisciplined youngsters(At the end of the day only sachin saves india)
-No need of Cheer leaders(i care only for cricket)


To fix these problems we cant simply give IPL to BCCI[Sharad Pawar already does so much corruption in Agriculture Ministry,Imagine what hell do in IPL]

To improve players discipline they shouldnt be allowed to do commercials
and their participation in IPL should be allowed only if they are consistent in International matches

I still dont have the answer for what to do about corruption
Privatisation has brought some relief to people but the Satyam scam destroyed this idea
Still its the best way out

Now my turn to go offtopic:

Nuclear Power is not bad but the fuel used is bad
Cause Uranium-235 produces radioactive substances
But nuclear energy generated from an isotope of hydrogen;Deuteron has hardly any side effects
Still IMO, that energy is not the best(remember Chernobyl,we dont want that to happen)

About girls
None of them are hookers
But they shouldnt be obscene just to earn some money
Who stopped them from getting educated,
Not getting an MSc degree these days is impossible and the min salary is 30k
(quite respectable)
And girls should also not retire after marriage
that IMO is backstabbing the taxpayers who paid for their education
It leads to wastage of human brains
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A rich Dad's son has more pressure to get into the IIT's than a poor one's cause
if he doesnt work hard to be someone ppl say that "Yeh toh baap ke paise pe jeeta hai"
(Nobody wants that)

India lags in education and "quality human resource" because of quota system

Why cant there be a free-for-all system where people get jobs and admissions according to merit?