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    Default Facebook Messanger as a new application?

    I have a Facebook user for about 9 years and seen how it develops. I don't have any issues with regards to its usage and enjoyed a lot from it. But I am a bit puzzled about the Facebook Messanger because it shows to be a stand alone application. As far as my memory remebered way back then, Facebook messaging is programmed along with the Facebook Application itself. Why is there a need to install another application for Facebook, which is the Messanger? I don't think it is benificial to the users because it just occupies another byte of memory.

    Any idea why Facebook and Facebook Messenger are separate applications?

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    Facebook decided to launch their messenger as a seperate app because they wanted to compete with the other various messenger services out there like whatsapp for example.

    Facebook messenger was only available via the Facebook app, so you had to have a Facebook account to use it.

    Having a separate app, you can now link it to your contacts in your phone and use the voice call feature aswell. All of these features aren't available yet but that's were they are heading I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pwarbi View Post
    Having a separate app, you can now link it to your contacts in your phone and use the voice call feature aswell. All of these features aren't available yet but that's were they are heading I think.
    Thank you for honestly informing me about the truth behind the Facebook App and Messanger. So, its for the competition that made them decided to launch messanger unattached to the application. Its like, Yahoo and Yahoo Messanger, Google and Google hangouts, am I right?

    What specific contact are you referring, that would possibly linked in the Facebook Messenger? The Facebook friendslist contact or the contact mobile numbers that is present in the phone itself?

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    At the moment as far as I'm aware the contact list is based upon your Facebook friends list but in future you'll be able to link the contact details of the numbers saved in your phone on their and be able to message them as you would using another messaging service such as whatsapp.

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    How could they exactly keep track on the numbers on my mobile? Does it require me to add a contact number to Facebook App which messenger has a access to? Or it automatically access my mobile contact imformation as to my contact lists? But isn't it risky to share number online? I know I can trust Facebook but I just don't like sharing my number over the net.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubie View Post
    How could they exactly keep track on the numbers on my mobile? Does it require me to add a contact number to Facebook App which messenger has a access to? Or it automatically access my mobile contact imformation as to my contact lists? But isn't it risky to share number online? I know I can trust Facebook but I just don't like sharing my number over the net.
    As a matter of fact we can't believe anybody on net. Recently Facebook was in the news for a vulnerability wherein a hacker could easily access your private details using your mobile number entered in your profile. It was an issue only for those people who entered their mobile number in Facebook profile. it was quite simple, the hacker has to just enter the mobile number in the search bar and he will be able to access the sensitive details overriding the limitations, if any.

    But this gap has been filled by Facebook now and there is nothing to worry till a new vulnerability comes up!

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    Entrusting personal information is a big "NO" for me. I am very much cautious with regards to online activities . Although I'm a Facebook user for a couple of years, I won't even dare to share my number. Well, its not a force requirement at all, I can still use Facebook even without my number shared right? I'm not worried at all.

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    The Facebook messenger app when you download it asks for various permissions like most apps do, access to your location and with the Facebook messenger app, it also asks for permission to link itself to your phonebook and contacts so whatever numbers you have in your phone or on your SIM card will automatically be downloaded on to the app also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pwarbi View Post
    The Facebook messenger app when you download it asks for various permissions like most apps do, access to your location and with the Facebook messenger app, it also asks for permission to link itself to your phonebook and contacts so whatever numbers you have in your phone or on your SIM card will automatically be downloaded on to the app also.
    But for some instace, if I will uninstall the Messenger Application, does my information will still be in their system or automatically deleted? As far as I know the accessing of information and some features on your device is to help the Application to work well. Like for example, in permitting them to access the camera will only support their Application needs in terms of pictures. In Facebook application, as we click "Add Photos", were linked to an option allowing us to select if where to get pictures to be uploaded. One of the option there enable us to take picture/s with camera. So, in that way a our device supports the Application's need. This means that information and features you permitted them to use is only legal if your subscribed to their Application, Am I right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pwarbi View Post
    The Facebook messenger app when you download it asks for various permissions like most apps do, access to your location and with the Facebook messenger app, it also asks for permission to link itself to your phonebook and contacts so whatever numbers you have in your phone or on your SIM card will automatically be downloaded on to the app also.
    Is that so? I have never used Facebook Messenger till now. I am a little bit skeptical to give access to my contacts to another application. They can use it in any way they like. Moreover, a hacker can easily creep into their system and steel all those information. I think it is not a good thing to share our private details to anybody, whoever it is.

    Nowadays anything that can be accessed can be hacked too. So we are no more safe online.

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    Quote Originally Posted by webworld View Post
    Is that so? I have never used Facebook Messenger till now. I am a little bit skeptical to give access to my contacts to another application. They can use it in any way they like. Moreover, a hacker can easily creep into their system and steel all those information. I think it is not a good thing to share our private details to anybody, whoever it is.

    Nowadays anything that can be accessed can be hacked too. So we are no more safe online.
    I knew about it actually, that is why I only intall App which I trusted and one of those is the Facebook. That is how hacker-prone Android devices are because of such permission access. The best thing to do now is, not to install unfamiliar applications and make sure to read first the permission access before you continue the procedure of installation. In that way, you can decide if you want such Application to access a specific feature on your device, if you don't then stop the installation.

    Anyway, there's a possibility that Android will change this security-threathening access, if Marshmallow will enter the mobile community. Finger crossed and hoping for some improvements.

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    The permissions that apps ask for as been a long running debate and a lot of people are put off installing apps because of that security reason.

    The way I see it though is that if you want to install a messenger app, then you are going to HAVE to allow it access to your contacts otherwise how will it be able to message them if you won't give it their information?

    Same goes with maps, a lot of people will install Google maps for example. For it to work properly, again, you'll HAVE to give it access to your location or else how can it give you a map of we're you are if you won't tell it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pwarbi View Post
    The permissions that apps ask for as been a long running debate and a lot of people are put off installing apps because of that security reason.

    The way I see it though is that if you want to install a messenger app, then you are going to HAVE to allow it access to your contacts otherwise how will it be able to message them if you won't give it their information?

    Same goes with maps, a lot of people will install Google maps for example. For it to work properly, again, you'll HAVE to give it access to your location or else how can it give you a map of we're you are if you won't tell it?

    Exactly and since Google maps are obviously trustable site, so there's no hesitation in intalling it and allowing the application to access some information from our devices. That goes the same in installing Facebook which is gaining trust from account users as of this moment. Like I've said, install only those App that is usable and trustworthed, to avoid any threat.

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    The facebook messenger stand alone app is not new and has been there for a long time. I have been using it for more than 2 years now. I only use the messenger app, instead of full facebook app, as its lighter and serves the basic purpose.
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    When Facebook first began, the messenger was intergrated into the site and there wasn't a separate application. That separate app was introduced relatively recently compared to how long Facebook as been going, and a lot of people don't realise you can get Facebook messenger as a stand alone app.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pwarbi View Post
    When Facebook first began, the messenger was intergrated into the site and there wasn't a separate application. That separate app was introduced relatively recently compared to how long Facebook as been going, and a lot of people don't realise you can get Facebook messenger as a stand alone app.
    Indeed, and so Facebook account holder has no choice but to install the App for the sake of continiouous communication. I just don't understand why they need to have a different App for the Messanger, is it really for competition? Well, Facebook seems to be making a broader enhancements that will probably cater different platforms present in the internet. Now, Messaging App, whats next?

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    You are right I think. They have great plans in mind to conquer internet world. They might have some projects in process and a separate messenger may be of help to them. Facebook is planning to launch a satellite by January 2016 to explore the untapped potential of remote African regions. I think this is just a beginning before their amazing plans to come into life. Facebook CEO, Mark Zuckerberg has already commented on their aggressive plans to cover entire earth and even looking for possibilities to work from other planets!

    Whatever it is, I am not so comfortable with the idea of giving access to our contact details to anybody. They can exploit this in many indirect ways. We can no longer believe in these so called "Big Brands" anymore. They are ready to do anything to increase their share value.

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    I don't think any of us really trusted these big brands in the first place, and especially when it comes to keeping our details secure. After all, they say behind every great fortune there is a crime, and these big brands didn't get as big as they are today by being honest and trustworthy so we'd do well to remember that.

    Not in my opinion anyway.

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    Facebook Messenger is what you can get your messages on. Facebook doesn't let you get your messages on the regular app anymore. I think they thought that if you have a separate app just for your messages then you can go directly to your messages. You don't have to pass go, and you will not collect 200 dollars. I think that Facebook has made too many new changes. I think that it was good enough the way it was. I hate that they make all of these changes and then you are the one whose phone no longer works as a phone because you've used up all of your memory. Does Facebook care though? No, that's why I don't have the app on my phone or the Messenger.

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    Facebook are making a lot of changes recently and your right to say they're not entirely worried if the existing members like them or not. They know that the people will keep using the app anyway, so basically they can do whatever they want and know the app will be as popular as ever.

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