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Old 05-15-09, 10:03 PM   #41
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Right i never knew abt the DRM n VS 05 stuff but any techie would have the common sense to turn off UAC. If there was any major prob wid vista it was driver issues.that was one thing that M$ botched up until Sp1.

common sense ??
UAC was implemented in Vista to make it more secure (it was an attempt to copy Linux and Mac's kernel security feature) ......
The problem is not the UAC itself , but the way it was implemented in Vista ... for example UAC notification slows down tasks like copying (this does not happen in Mac or Linux)

it has been drastically improved in windows 7

any techie would have the common sense not to disable UAC as it will make the system more vulnerable to attacks and there are a lot of other problems , like file and registry virtualisation being disabled when UAC is disabled

its like being caught between the devil and the deep blue sea

Dont disable UAC = Annoying pop ups and performance hits

Disable UAC = lesser security

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RC has been released already...
Typo .... i meant the final release

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Old 05-15-09, 10:03 PM   #42
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true UAC's much better in 7. I feel that those who do need its features can instead use a limited user account and then elevate priority when required like s/w installs etc. never tried that though.
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Old 05-15-09, 10:19 PM   #43
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You do know the very same thing happened when XP was released. Many of my friends used to claim that win 98 was the best, and nothing could ever replace it.
Did they really ??
XP was released 9 years ago .... considering that you are doing ur UG now .... u and ur friends must have been somewhere between 11-13 years old ..... An age where u would nt even have known to install an OS let alone review it

which completely disproves your statements regarding ur friends

XP was not as unstable as vista when it was released ..... it had its problems but did not have any major driver issues because it was not released hurriedly like Vista ... all softwares used in 98 were also compatible with xp and there was really no other big issue .

How can u prove this ??
Easy

Install a Windows XP without service packs or any updates
Install a Windows Vista without service packs or any updates
Try to get it working in full condition (with drivers , full HDD and so on)


you ll see what i mean

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true UAC's much better in 7. I feel that those who do need its features can instead use a limited user account and then elevate priority when required like s/w installs etc. never tried that though.
As far as i know the only thing u can do without UAC is to log off from the limited account and log into Admin account every time u want to do those super user work ..... that would be very very inconvenient

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Old 05-16-09, 01:15 AM   #44
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Did they really ??
XP was released 9 years ago .... considering that you are doing ur UG now .... u and ur friends must have been somewhere between 11-13 years old ..... An age where u would nt even have known to install an OS let alone review it

which completely disproves your statements regarding ur friends
OMG, u have seriously under estimated your youngsters mate !

off-topic :
Nowdays kids are getting smarter, they have computer subjects from std 2

It might surprise you (although a lot less after seeing KK's posts) that whatever info I knew abt computer came from my doctor cousin (if he comes online here, maybe he can speak for himself).

although I didn't know the exact working of OS, I had a fair idea of how it did and internet was a big resource. Also you would be surprised on much information can be collected by reading help files of various system utilities like Norton Utilities and as well as windows help files. After all , windows installation is a piece of cake, atleast when u hav standard h/w that is.


Back to the point, one of the friends in question , was a geek, i mean he grew learning lang etc.

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XP was not as unstable as vista when it was released ..... it had its problems but did not have any major driver issues because it was not released hurriedly like Vista ... all softwares used in 98 were also compatible with xp and there was really no other big issue .

How can u prove this ??
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Install a Windows XP without service packs or any updates
Install a Windows Vista without service packs or any updates
Try to get it working in full condition (with drivers , full HDD and so on)

you ll see what i mean
For the record I never said that Xp was unstable !! Personally I never had a problem with XP or Vista RTM.

and what do you mean by "...released hurriedly like vista..."

vista was released way past due date, and after those tremendous painfull delays.....


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As far as i know the only thing u can do without UAC is to log off from the limited account and log into Admin account every time u want to do those super user work ..... that would be very very inconvenient
u can use the "run as another user" or "run as administrator" command when using limited account, right ?
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Old 05-16-09, 02:34 AM   #45
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^ Viruses aint gonna be doing that

they ll install and run w/o your knowledge

using run as command as Admin user is not going to help security

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OMG, u have seriously under estimated your youngsters mate !

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[I]Nowdays kids are getting smarter, they have computer subjects from std 2

It might surprise you (although a lot less after seeing KK's posts) that whatever info I knew abt computer came from my doctor cousin (if he comes online here, maybe he can speak for himself).
I agree that today's kids know a lot more about computer .... but you will be mistaken if you think i have no idea about tech geeks in India

I am a poster in many other forums and also work in that field .... and so i know many tech kids/adults in India .... and their level of knowledge

you are mistaken on one point .... the scenario in 2001 was very different .... IT boom had not hit India and so Internet and computer penetration was very low ... ppl used computers but they were not very deep into it ....

This can be easily made out from the fact that Indian tech forums/magazines etc started cropping up only in the last 5 years or so ... the level of knowledge that a 13 yr has now is surely greater than what u or i would have had when we were 13 . so u cannot compare ur generation with the present or future generation ..... that also applies to kiran and Milan ofcourse

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and what do you mean by "...released hurriedly like vista..."
u keep under estimating my knowledge .... i am one step ahead of you

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While Microsoft had originally hoped to have the consumer versions of the operating system available worldwide in time for Christmas 2006, it was announced in March 2006 that the release date would be pushed back to January 2007, in order to give the company–and the hardware and software companies which Microsoft depends on for providing device drivers–additional time to prepare. Development of Windows Vista came to an end when Microsoft announced that it had been finalized on November 8, 2006.[17] Windows Vista ended up costing Microsoft 6 billion dollars to develop
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I agree that today's kids know a lot more about computer .... but you will be mistaken if you think i have no idea about tech geeks in India

I am a poster in many other forums and also work in that field .... and so i know many tech kids/adults in India .... and their level of knowledge

you are mistaken on one point .... the scenario in 2001 was very different .... IT boom had not hit India and so Internet and computer penetration was very low ... ppl used computers but they were not very deep into it ....

This can be easily made out from the fact that Indian tech forums/magazines etc started cropping up only in the last 5 years or so ... the level of knowledge that a 13 yr has now is surely greater than what u or i would have had when we were 13 . so u cannot compare ur generation with the present or future generation ..... that also applies to kiran and Milan ofcourse

u keep under estimating my knowledge .... i am one step ahead of you
whatever you sey my lord !!! I'm sure i'm more eager to meet you and esbebe now !
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I too do not see any compelling reason to move to Vista.
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I too do not see any compelling reason to move to Vista.
yes not a single reason i got to move to vista
XP is better than Vista!
i thinking of switch to linux!
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Then switch to it. Start with ubuntu or if you are technical minded & like to break your computer to LFS. We are here to help you out in this peaceful transition ( well I will not be able to help you much in case of lfs as I will start using it when they will release a guide on x86_64 platform also, clfs is available but I don't it like that much)
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Then switch to it. Start with ubuntu or if you are technical minded & like to break your computer to LFS. We are here to help you out in this peaceful transition ( well I will not be able to help you much in case of lfs as I will start using it when they will release a guide on x86_64 platform also, clfs is available but I don't it like that much)
thinking of start with sidux
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WINDOWS 7 the best OS ever produced by MS and 10x faster and Secure than XP.

Windows 7 the best ever OS ever produced by MS which runs 10x faster than XP and Vista and 10x Secure than XP.
Great OS. Install time on any dabba machine is 15 Min.

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WINDOWS 7 the best OS ever produced by MS and 10x faster and Secure than XP.

Windows 7 the best ever OS ever produced by MS which runs 10x faster than XP and Vista and 10x Secure than XP.
Great OS. Install time on any dabba machine is 15 Min.
windows 7 is a good competiter to xp.

but in performace xp is a little bit better.
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i am running beta version of 7 on my desky... somethings have changed after i logged it in my system...

1st: cannot read CDs of specific types... like the Pirated ones, windows installers etc..
2nd: PC gets automatically closed by itself, without any supervision error message, no blue screen of thrill etc. just sleeps and you have to restart it again... though the problem arised after i changed O.S to windows 7 from former vista...
3rd: Nokia edge modem fails after first 5 minutes of running.. remains busy(even after i have taken out the usb wire out of the jack)...
4th: cannot check for online troubleshooters...
5th: sometimes, when i open the compy, the windows start up sucks my time, for which i have to restart, go into start windows in safe mode blah blah blah, and when everything is installing there , i have to restart in mid and start windows normally...

life sucks... had been windows be free like the Ubuntu ones. i would have definetly donated for MS... thats a crap for money, which i virtually paid them in mind..
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windows 7 is a good competiter to xp.

but in performace xp is a little bit better.
I dont think so. Try it and you wont shift back to XP

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i am running beta version of 7 on my desky... somethings have changed after i logged it in my system...

1st: cannot read CDs of specific types... like the Pirated ones, windows installers etc..
cant say anything on this, I never faced this , I am also using Windows 7 since its Beta stage.

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2nd: PC gets automatically closed by itself, without any supervision error message, no blue screen of thrill etc. just sleeps and you have to restart it again... though the problem arised after i changed O.S to windows 7 from former vista...
Yes. Plz tell me the version No of windows 7. I think Beta is having this kind of behaviour. Kindly upgrade to the latest version of windows 7. I mean fresh install. Beta version cant be upgraded to latest windows 7 out there because of major changes.

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3rd: Nokia edge modem fails after first 5 minutes of running.. remains busy(even after i have taken out the usb wire out of the jack)...

4th: cannot check for online troubleshooters...
5th: sometimes, when i open the compy, the windows start up sucks my time, for which i have to restart, go into start windows in safe mode blah blah blah, and when everything is installing there , i have to restart in mid and start windows normally...
same ....just download latest windows 7 RTM. also use vista drivers if you have any issues. Still, if you have any issues use latest nokia software for windows 7 or for vista. even if this does not works then try compatibility mode.


Having used Windows 7 from beta to the latest Windows 7 Buld 7100 , i have not faced even a single problem. Not even any kind of application compatibility.

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howeva except the closing automatically, and the optical disk prob, i see windows 7 a very interactive version of windows..
atleast its better than my former black vista screen, they give you atleast nice pics of grand canyon as the wallpaper..
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atleast its better than my former black vista screen, they give you atleast nice pics of grand canyon as the wallpaper..
Thats the only good thing you found in Windows 7 ?
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Beta version has expired long back. Try the Release to Manufacturing (RTM) version. It is available on torrents.
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i am running beta version of 7 on my desky... somethings have changed after i logged it in my system...

1st: cannot read CDs of specific types... like the Pirated ones, windows installers etc..
2nd: PC gets automatically closed by itself, without any supervision error message, no blue screen of thrill etc. just sleeps and you have to restart it again... though the problem arised after i changed O.S to windows 7 from former vista...
3rd: Nokia edge modem fails after first 5 minutes of running.. remains busy(even after i have taken out the usb wire out of the jack)...
4th: cannot check for online troubleshooters...
5th: sometimes, when i open the compy, the windows start up sucks my time, for which i have to restart, go into start windows in safe mode blah blah blah, and when everything is installing there , i have to restart in mid and start windows normally...

life sucks... had been windows be free like the Ubuntu ones. i would have definetly donated for MS... thats a crap for money, which i virtually paid them in mind..
beta version expired.....
download the rc version.it is good and will work till july 2010
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I have Vista in my Laptop and XP in the PC.
It is better to use XP as Vista is lousy with lots of safety controls. You don't feel free using Vista.

I tried with Vista in the PC too but later again I switched it back to XP.

There is not much difference between SP2 and SP3.

Wait for Windows7. It is going to be a hit. I tried beta and it is fine and better than XP and Vista.
It's true Windows7 is a great os from MS. Use it yaar.....
otherwise XP SP3

I think vista is a waste......................
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i also have lenovo laptop with Vista Home Premium installed but its slower then xp that i have installed in my desktop.


windows 7 is great too.as i said earlier windows 7 is tough competitor for xp.

For me,if XP sp3 vs Vista sp2 vs Windows 7 RC then results are:

BY VISUALS
1st- Windows 7 RC
2nd- Windows Vista SP2
3rd- Windows XP SP3


BY PERFORMANCE
1st- Windows XP SP3
2nd- Windows 7 RC
3rd- Windows Vista SP2

BY VISUALS+PERFORMANCE
1st- Windows 7 RC
2nd- Windows XP SP3
3rd- Windows Vista SP2

U all too give ur experiences!
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